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Subject: Halo 3 and Reach, why i think AAs and Bloom ruined Halo Reach

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.

yes i know, there have been plenty of threads discussing this,
and no doubt there will be people acting like K/D overrules everything, but seriously, this forum is for *everyone*that wants to talk about Halo Reach, everyone has the right to say there opinion be it in a post or in a thread, K/D will never change this,

also, there is no TL'DR, learn to read, seriously, your on the Internet, you should know how to read by now.


now to avoid going off topic...

here is why i think AAs and bloom ruined the strategy and skill of Halo,

AAs ruined the strategy of halo imo,

instead of deciding where to go first in the map based on the equipment you want in H3, now all ya do is go find people to kill or defend/attack the base,

in Halo 3 you could be strategic and be rewarded for things like getting the power weapons, controlling key parts in the map, getting the useful equipment before the enemy, defending your base, flanking the enemy base, and sniping enemy's from afar to support your team,

the list goes on and on,

this was one of Halo 3s strongest points, it added an interesting unpredictable dynamic, you always had to be prepared for everything,

in reach, map control is practically impossible imo, thanks to the map design and the jet pack, while fun to use, it makes map control ineffective,

sense the maps where based off of the AAs, it becomes impossible to actually take control of key areas of the map due to the fact that the jet pack can pretty much get ya anywhere,

another thing the equipment system did right in Halo 3 was balance,

they all had a specific purpose and it took smart thinking to use defensive Equipment for offensive use or the other way around,

in reach you have AAs like AL and the jet pack,
with AL most consider it overpowered, rightfully so, its an ability that, its overpowered at first, nerf it and it becomes redundant, it is not useful enough even be considered usable,

with the jet pack *as i previously explained* breaks map control,

this is why i think AAs ruin the strategy that Halo once had,


bloom ruined the skill of halo imo,

in Halo 3 two men enter, and the better man leaves, in reach, two men enter, both spam the trigger hoping to get the kill, one of them wins due to luck,
in Halo 3 it felt satisfying when you got a kill becuase you where the better player, all in good sportsmanship,

in Halo 3 after a game the people on both teams usually say *good game* showing respect for the other team no matter who won or lost,

in reach you end up hearing people *the people who won the match* talking about how they owned the other team and how skilled they are, no matter how close the match is, rarely you will here people say *good game*


Halo reach in my honest opinion is fun, but it took some key things halo 3 had and took them out, like the equipment system, which added strategy in a way few FPS games do,
bloom ruined the skill of Halo, something halo was known for, AAs and bloom killed the strategy and skill of halo,


now, what is your opinion?

  • 12.07.2011 10:47 PM PDT

Bungie designed Halo Reach around one concept stupid and fun. They had no intentions of it being competitive. It's a fun game but stupid at the same time. What genius came up with armor lock?

  • 12.07.2011 11:03 PM PDT

It's my barb---err action figure and I will dress him how I please.

I was so happy that Halo Reach was nothing like Halo 3. I hated Halo 3 with a passion.

As for bloom any idiot that spams the trigger obviously doesn't know how to time their shots. It's their fault they lost that battle. I personally like bloom(inb4 noob)

Armourlock overpowered, LOL. What the hell do you do? sit there and pummel them while they're in it or just stand right behind them and wait for them release it? It's so easy to counter a person using armourlock, I call it...walking away and chucking a nade.

I think you can effectively use all armour abilities and use them strategically.

Also, I agree with never hearing anyone say "Good game" after a match...I feel like I'm the only one that says it :(

  • 12.07.2011 11:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Mastoklok
I was so happy that Halo Reach was nothing like Halo 3. I hated Halo 3 with a passion.

As for bloom any idiot that spams the trigger obviously doesn't know how to time their shots. It's their fault they lost that battle. I personally like bloom(inb4 noob)

Armourlock overpowered, LOL. What the hell do you do? sit there and pummel them while they're in it or just stand right behind them and wait for them release it? It's so easy to counter a person using armourlock, I call it...walking away and chucking a nade.

I think you can effectively use all armour abilities and use them strategically.

Also, I agree with never hearing anyone say "Good game" after a match...I feel like I'm the only one that says it :(


Halo 3 is great I don't know why you hate it. Even if you compare the social playlists it was better than Reach.

  • 12.07.2011 11:49 PM PDT

Here we go with another "bloom sucks" thread or"I hate bloom". Blah blah blah everyone knows the majority of the community hates bloom or most of all hates Reach.

  • 12.08.2011 12:04 AM PDT

It's my barb---err action figure and I will dress him how I please.


Posted by: NinjaLord77

Posted by: Mastoklok
I was so happy that Halo Reach was nothing like Halo 3. I hated Halo 3 with a passion.

As for bloom any idiot that spams the trigger obviously doesn't know how to time their shots. It's their fault they lost that battle. I personally like bloom(inb4 noob)

Armourlock overpowered, LOL. What the hell do you do? sit there and pummel them while they're in it or just stand right behind them and wait for them release it? It's so easy to counter a person using armourlock, I call it...walking away and chucking a nade.

I think you can effectively use all armour abilities and use them strategically.

Also, I agree with never hearing anyone say "Good game" after a match...I feel like I'm the only one that says it :(


Halo 3 is great I don't know why you hate it. Even if you compare the social playlists it was better than Reach.


Well, I play it every now and then with friends trying to get all of the achievements...but my opinion stands, I don't like Halo 3 all that much. I love Reach and that's my opinion.

  • 12.08.2011 12:32 AM PDT


Posted by: Mastoklok


Well, I play it every now and then with friends trying to get all of the achievements...but my opinion stands, I don't like Halo 3 all that much. I love Reach and that's my opinion.


That's cool. I don't doubt that Reach is fun but overall I thought Halo 3 was a better game.

  • 12.08.2011 12:40 AM PDT

It's my barb---err action figure and I will dress him how I please.


Posted by: NinjaLord77

Posted by: Mastoklok


Well, I play it every now and then with friends trying to get all of the achievements...but my opinion stands, I don't like Halo 3 all that much. I love Reach and that's my opinion.


That's cool. I don't doubt that Reach is fun but overall I thought Halo 3 was a better game.



I love all of the Halo games :]

  • 12.08.2011 12:51 AM PDT

I didn't read your post (it's just too spacy) but since you asked here is my opinion.

Halo reach is far from ruined, it's a decent game, nothing amazing but nothing crap.

the problem is they tried to take the equipment thing too far, they changed too much in too little time, what this did was essentially change a lot of how the game worked out and as such it's almost a different franchise, it's the sort of thing I would have expected 343 to do in their first halo game attempt, it's the sort of change I would expect when going from one company to another, it's the sort of change you see going from one an old series to a revival (doctor who anyone?).

And I'm not even going to comment on Bloom since i think it's fine (maybe I'm just used to it from all the shadowrun I play?)

  • 12.08.2011 1:57 AM PDT

Completely agree. I just got done watching Halo 2 and Halo 3 vids. I just can't believe how bad this game has failed. It's just extremely boring. This game has bombed compared to the other Halo's. I have a strong feeling Halo 4 will be the game that brings Halo back to its glory.

  • 12.08.2011 5:22 AM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.


Posted by: jonbaker1023
Here we go with another "bloom sucks" thread or"I hate bloom". Blah blah blah everyone knows the majority of the community hates bloom or most of all hates Reach.
has anyone ever told you that your incredibly good at reading? beuase if they did they are full of -blam!-, bloom isnt the main isue to me here, its the AAs,

now please, read the entire post, or atleast give your opinion.

[Edited on 12.08.2011 2:21 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2011 2:15 PM PDT
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AA's removed being punished in Halo.

If you make a mistake, all of them give you a chance of getting away.

Bloom did the same. While I loved the idea of being able to outplay people when they get first shot, it doesn't work.

  • 12.08.2011 2:20 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.


Posted by: Zoridium JackL
I didn't read your post (it's just too spacy) but since you asked here is my opinion.

Halo reach is far from ruined, it's a decent game, nothing amazing but nothing crap.

the problem is they tried to take the equipment thing too far, they changed too much in too little time, what this did was essentially change a lot of how the game worked out and as such it's almost a different franchise, it's the sort of thing I would have expected 343 to do in their first halo game attempt, it's the sort of change I would expect when going from one company to another, it's the sort of change you see going from one an old series to a revival (doctor who anyone?).
i agree, i kinda thought the same until reach came out, bungie did what some assumed 343 was gonna do, then 343 does halo reach justice,

i dont have any doubts about halo 4 atm, only time will tell though.

  • 12.08.2011 2:20 PM PDT

Halo Reach with no AA or Bloom might of have been boring, at least Bungie tried to do something different to Halo.
no AA will mean, no sprint, no armor lock, no jet pack, no hologram, no active camo, no drop shield and no evade (it's going to take out the fun of Reach)
no bloom is already in the game... kind of...

  • 12.08.2011 2:26 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.


Posted by: Devil Ownpag
Halo Reach with no AA or Bloom might of have been boring, at least Bungie tried to do something different to Halo.
no AA will mean, no sprint, no armor lock, no jet pack, no hologram, no active camo, no drop shield and no evade (it's going to take out the fun of Reach)
no bloom is already in the game... kind of...
im not saying they should have removed the system completely, im saying they should have stuck with Halo 3s Equipment System

  • 12.08.2011 2:55 PM PDT

You're beating a dead horse.
Why are people still talking about this?

  • 12.08.2011 3:00 PM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: Insane AlphaBeta
also, there is no TL'DR, learn to read, seriously, your on the Internet, you should know how to read by now.


But you don't have to know how to write!

  • 12.08.2011 3:00 PM PDT

My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/HoulihanFryingPan

u are just mad b/c u suck at reach. i hate noobs they always are complainign go back and play mw3 if u think this game so bad

  • 12.08.2011 3:00 PM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: Insane AlphaBeta
sense the maps where based off of the AAs


If you knew anything about level design and game mechanics, no, no they weren't.

Jet Pack dominating on maps is not proof that the map was designed with the Jet Pack in mind, it's proof that the map was not designed with it in mind.

Good design would not allow for "domination" unless the map and gametype/mechanics were designed specifically for a particular mechanic to be featured.

  • 12.08.2011 3:05 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.


Posted by: Darkside Eric

Posted by: Insane AlphaBeta
also, there is no TL'DR, learn to read, seriously, your on the Internet, you should know how to read by now.


But you don't have to know how to write!
lol

  • 12.08.2011 3:09 PM PDT

I'm the cult of personality,
I call it like i see it, if i feel the need to be blunt and to the point, then i will, if i feel the need to be very detailed, i will, im here to stay and im here to do things my way, if you respect that or not is your choice, not mine,
and don't worry, while i don't agree with everyone's opinion, i do respect everyone's opinion.


Posted by: turnip1
u are just mad b/c u suck at reach. i hate noobs they always are complainign go back and play mw3 if u think this game so bad
i lol'd

  • 12.08.2011 3:10 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

Sprint is OK, but every other AA can rot in the depths of the underworld!

  • 12.08.2011 3:13 PM PDT