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Subject: Who do you prefer as the greatest hero from the halo franchise?

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

1)Spartan B-312 for not leaving Reach and defending it till his last breath knowing it would become his death.

2)Master Chief for surviving all the horror he has been through, mental and physical even when he was scared like all the rest he made it through everything.

3)John Forge for sacrificing himself because he knew that Spartans were more needed in war then marines and he saved probably whole the human existence by destroying the shield world and it's forerunner fleed.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Medicant Bias.

  • 12.08.2011 12:00 PM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?


The Best Heros are the ones that Actually have a non-cliche meaningful story.

Sure he betrayed the forerunners but he saved chief at the end by keeping the ring stable and sending him to the forerunners.

  • 12.08.2011 12:04 PM PDT

Master chief, because while forge and six sacrificed themselves for humanity chief found a way to surviving even deadlier situations (he and Johnson finding a way to escape halo destruction and get away in the middle of a covenant fleet.

Plus Master chief has done more for humanity and every other form of life out there(destroying multiple halo rings which are way more deadly than Forerunner fleet). Plus he seemingly has more to do in the Reclaimer series.

  • 12.08.2011 12:07 PM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?


The Best Heros are the ones that Actually have a non-cliche meaningful story.

Sure he betrayed the forerunners but he saved chief at the end by keeping the ring stable and sending him to the forerunners.



Explain me more.

  • 12.08.2011 12:14 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

The Arbiter.

Overcoming the brainwashing the Prophets had put on the Elites since birth, and then leading his race to win the war as allies with the Humans is much more impressive in my opinion than anything the Chief has done.

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Posted by: DeBleserMike

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?


The Best Heros are the ones that Actually have a non-cliche meaningful story.

Sure he betrayed the forerunners but he saved chief at the end by keeping the ring stable and sending him to the forerunners.



Explain me more.


Ooooh, someone who's new to the hidden main character of Halo? You'll like what Grey has to say then.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?


The Best Heros are the ones that Actually have a non-cliche meaningful story.

Sure he betrayed the forerunners but he saved chief at the end by keeping the ring stable and sending him to the forerunners.



Explain me more.


I Can't, Bias' story isn't something you explain you have to read it yourself.


Read the halo 3 terminals on halopedian, I suggest you read contact Harvest and cryptum also. OH and next time you play Halo 2 pay attention to the dialogue when your on High Charity.

  • 12.08.2011 12:41 PM PDT

Since when did Mendicant Bias keep 04b stable? Fairly sure that was never mentioned. Also, him sending John to the Forerunners hasn't done anything except rob the UNSC and UEG of a symbol and icon respected through both all humanity and the Covenant who could help calm the storm post-war, not to mention his friendship with the Arbiter could have gone a long way in brokering a stronger peace. Not only that, but he prevented Cortana from delaying the Forerunner Dreadnought's launch so Truth would be able to escape and uncover the Ark, without a care for the destruction his fleets would cause humanity once they reached Earth.

MB's an anti-hero, at best. A pragmatist at worst.

Master Chief is clearly the greatest hero in the Halo franchise; not only did he turn the tide of the war, but he's also a symbol people can rally around.

Just look at how affected by his death people were in Glasslands when they heard of it, and not just the Spartans.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DeBleserMike

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?


The Best Heros are the ones that Actually have a non-cliche meaningful story.

Sure he betrayed the forerunners but he saved chief at the end by keeping the ring stable and sending him to the forerunners.



Explain me more.


I Can't, Bias' story isn't something you explain you have to read it yourself.


Read the halo 3 terminals on halopedian, I suggest you read contact Harvest and cryptum also. OH and next time you play Halo 2 pay attention to the dialogue when your on High Charity.


Don't forget this. These folks did a fine job of hunting things down before anyone really knew about them. The Thunder and the Surf is about Mendicant, but read the others anyway as well

  • 12.08.2011 12:54 PM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Since when did Mendicant Bias keep 04b stable? Fairly sure that was never mentioned. Also, him sending John to the Forerunners hasn't done anything except rob the UNSC and UEG of a symbol and icon respected through both all humanity and the Covenant who could help calm the storm post-war, not to mention his friendship with the Arbiter could have gone a long way in brokering a stronger peace. Not only that, but he prevented Cortana from delaying the Forerunner Dreadnought's launch so Truth would be able to escape and uncover the Ark, without a care for the destruction his fleets would cause humanity once they reached Earth.

MB's an anti-hero, at best. A pragmatist at worst.

Master Chief is clearly the greatest hero in the Halo franchise; not only did he turn the tide of the war, but he's also a symbol people can rally around.

Just look at how affected by his death people were in Glasslands when they heard of it, and not just the Spartans.


Ironic isn't it?
People believed spartans never died even when they did and now everyone thinks that the chief is dead while he is actually one of the few true MIA

  • 12.08.2011 12:58 PM PDT

Wolver, MB kept the platforms you drive across up as long as possible to allow Chief to escape.

He probably fought Cortana because HE WANTED TO GO TO HUMANS. When Truth finally allows it to launch, suddenly something is fighting him leaving and traveling to humans?

Oh, to the other guy. Chief helped destroy ONE halo ring.

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I have no real particular "Hero" that I say is the best, but I focus more on acts that have been done. I'll give a few instances of this.

Jenkins. Infected by an aged flood parasite, it didn't have complete control over him. He was in a living nightmare and still managed to overcome the parasite inside him in the vital moments. The tech on TaR could have helped humanity immensely, but the flood it carried would have overwhelmed Earth. Having the willpower to fight that and not give in, is a fine example.

Admiral Whitcomb. Whitcomb then took command of the vessel, navigating it through an anomalous Slipspace bubble and defeating the , despite the heavy damage to the ship. He then took it to Eridanus Secundus, blackmailing Governor Jacob Jiles to help him repair his ship. Whitcomb held off the first wave of attacks which was two Covenant cruisers (just a small scout party for the main fleet). But when the main attack force showed up he knew that he could not sacrifice the crew of the Ascendant Justice/Gettysburg because they were the only ones who knew of the Covenant plans to attack Earth so he traded the rebels lives for UNSC lives. He wanted to stay and defend the rebels but he said "This is not the Alamo and I am not Colonel William Barret Travis, although I dearly wish I were. No, we're running. We're trading hundreds of lives for millions." It was obvious he deeply regretted abandoning the rebels, whom he promised amnesty for their services.

"Hundreds for millions. Duty be damned...I'm still gonna burn in hell for this. Go Cortana, get us out of here. And God forgive me."
He then reluctantly approved Operation: FIRST STRIKE, and although he initally planned to continue on to Earth, on Haverson's suggestion, he had the ship drop out of Slipspace to get some intel on the fleet. Upon seeing the size of it, Whitcomb realized that even if the command station was destroyed, there was still too much of a threat to Earth and decided to do something about it then and there while he still could. He moved the ships to behind a nearby moon and had the Ascendant Justice's Slipspace matrix moved to the Gettysburg so that ship could jump, then detached the two ships, slingshoting Ascendant Justice around the moon towards the Unyielding Hierophant in an attempt to maximize Covenant losses by drawing in as many ships as possible towards the explosion. He rammed the Unyielding Hierophant, and broadcast a message that he had the Forerunner crystal that the Covenant wanted and told them to come and get it. His act as bait was successful, and he perished along with Lieutenant Haverson and the Ascendant Justice. After arming Lieutenant Haverson and himself with submachine guns, he courageously held out for a while before becoming overpowered and overrun by Elites wielding Energy Swords, most likely Zealots. His sacrifice prevented Earth from being overrun by 500 Covenant vessels, a fight that would surely have met with disaster for Humanity's homeworld. Thanks to his drawing in the fleet, all but about a dozen ships were destroyed in the blast, severly weakening the Covenant forces that attacked Earth later and giving it a fighting chance.[7] His last words were:
Now listen, son, remember when we talked about the Alamo. You know every one of the brave defenders in those fights died. They knew the odds, but they hurt the enemy. Both were tactical defeats, but in the end they were also brilliant strategic victories. They made the enemy afraid. Just a few good soldiers fighting for what's right made the difference.


I could go on and on, but I'll leave it at that.





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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wolver, MB kept the platforms you drive across up as long as possible to allow Chief to escape.


Never seen that anywhere, what's your source? I don't think his motive was quite so simple as wanted to get to the humans; he's a Forerunner AI, in the instant he was reactivated he must have been able to hack into every information network possible and update himself on the current affairs in a few moments.

He'd have known that allowing Truth to lead the fleet to Earth would result in the possible extinction of humanity. All he cared about was getting to the Ark, to reassemble himself and find a way to stop the Flood.

I'm not saying that wasn't the right call, but it certainly wasn't heroic.

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Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: grey101
Medicant Bias.


Why? i thought he betrayed the Forerunners?


The Best Heros are the ones that Actually have a non-cliche meaningful story.

Sure he betrayed the forerunners but he saved chief at the end by keeping the ring stable and sending him to the forerunners.

I agree. I was going to say MC, but this is much more true.

  • 12.08.2011 1:37 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wolver, MB kept the platforms you drive across up as long as possible to allow Chief to escape.


Never seen that anywhere, what's your source?


The last Terminal in Halo 3:
"The path ahead is frought with peril, but I will do what I can to keep it stable, to keep you safe.

  • 12.08.2011 1:41 PM PDT
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I am a super sharp shooter, sittin' on a roof top.

Master Chief of course.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wolver, MB kept the platforms you drive across up as long as possible to allow Chief to escape.


Never seen that anywhere, what's your source? I don't think his motive was quite so simple as wanted to get to the humans; he's a Forerunner AI, in the instant he was reactivated he must have been able to hack into every information network possible and update himself on the current affairs in a few moments.

He'd have known that allowing Truth to lead the fleet to Earth would result in the possible extinction of humanity. All he cared about was getting to the Ark, to reassemble himself and find a way to stop the Flood.

I'm not saying that wasn't the right call, but it certainly wasn't heroic.


It take him hours at the most to get updated not months.

Um Throughout the terminals it is clear that he was looking for a way to redeem himself I honestly doubt he was worried about the flood at all.

Heros are subjective just like anything else.

  • 12.08.2011 1:47 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wolver, MB kept the platforms you drive across up as long as possible to allow Chief to escape.


Never seen that anywhere, what's your source? I don't think his motive was quite so simple as wanted to get to the humans; he's a Forerunner AI, in the instant he was reactivated he must have been able to hack into every information network possible and update himself on the current affairs in a few moments.

He'd have known that allowing Truth to lead the fleet to Earth would result in the possible extinction of humanity. All he cared about was getting to the Ark, to reassemble himself and find a way to stop the Flood.

I'm not saying that wasn't the right call, but it certainly wasn't heroic.


It take him hours at the most to get updated not months.

Um Throughout the terminals it is clear that he was looking for a way to redeem himself I honestly doubt he was worried about the flood at all.

Heros are subjective just like anything else.


He's the reason the Flood are still here; of course he's worried about the Flood -- they're integral to his redemption. You seem to be contradicting yourself, though -- one moment you're saying he's a hero, the next you're saying he's only looking out for himself. True that one man's hero can be another's villain, but in general only caring about yourself doesn't really make you a good guy. Certainly not close to true heroes like the Chief, Johnson or Thel.

Oh, and I said moments ya' pillock, not 'months'. I swear to god you don't actually read anything I write; you just skim for keywords and then make your own nonsensical replies.

Next time, try typing with both hands.

"The path ahead is frought with peril, but I will do what I can to keep it stable, to keep you safe."

I never read that as a literal declaration that he'd keep things stable, I always thought it alluded to what he'd do after taking John through the portal. But I suppose it could be read that way.

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  • 12.08.2011 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
"The path ahead is frought with peril, but I will do what I can to keep it stable, to keep you safe."

I never read that as a literal declaration that he'd keep things stable, I always thought it alluded to what he'd do after taking John through the portal. But I suppose it could be read that way.


In order for John to get to the portal the platforms would have had to be kept stable first.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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How am I contradicting myself? Nor do I understand how him "looking out for himself" would make him anyless of a hero. Firefighters are seen as heros even though a good amount of them wouldn't do it if they weren't paid enough. Which is why I said it is subjective. It really doesn't matter why you do it The fact you did it should be enough.

If soren actually became a full fledged spartan i would call him more of a hero than chief since he wasn't brainwashed and kidnapped. Johnson hasn't done much if anything other than live from start to end of the war. Don't See how Thel would be a hero.


I find this funny. I write horribly and get you to Rant about it and call me names despite the fact you claimed I was a blight on the forum for my attitude. You tried baiting me last time by acting retarded when in reality I was making you look like a fool. If you really think that I stopped playing that game with you then thats sad because you are too easy and too fun.
Its just funny how you now do everything you have criticized me of doing and I honestly didn't have to do much for you to do so.


The portal isn't a path nor did it have any trouble with being stable.

  • 12.08.2011 2:09 PM PDT

I actually didn't understand most of what you wrote because yes, you do write horribly and it makes you seem very unintelligent even though you're probably not, but the general sentiment you put across was quite funny; okay, the first time I got into an argument with you I did so because it was fun to do and I was bored -- if you say you were pretending to be mentally unable then fine, I'm glad for you.

Was going to apologise for calling you a pillock until I saw the rest of what you wrote, you sodding-eat-more-wanking-toss-pot-basket-case-nancy-boy-barmy -billy-no-mates-po-faced-git.

*ahem*

No, I didn't mean the portal was a literal path nor was it literally unstable, and again you prove yourself to be a boring, unimaginative pikey which makes me question your assertion that you're pretending to be this... slow. I thought the line meant Mendicant Bias would keep the metaphoric path that would be John's future safe and stable as best he could. The thought that he actually meant he'd keep the path stable didn't cross my mind, especially since -blam!- blows up all around you at the end. I guess he could have kept it stable a little bit, but he didn't do a great job.

I still don't see what Mendicant Bias has done to be heroic other than help the Chief out a bit at the end. Please enlighten me. Saying 'he sent John to the Forerunners' doesn't count because we still don't know anything about how that'll turn out, and right now its only impact has been negative as I said earlier.

  • 12.08.2011 2:23 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Wolvers + Grey = the old married couple of the Bungie forums. :P

  • 12.08.2011 2:25 PM PDT

Please, Alex. I'm a reacher, not a settler.

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