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Subject: The Most Irritating Character in the Halo Universe
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: grey101
My top 3

John, Avery,and Buck.



-_-


Jun, Emile, and Kat. Emphasis on Kat.

  • 12.09.2011 1:34 PM PDT

me

  • 12.09.2011 1:35 PM PDT

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I NEVER CHALLENGED HIM! (In caps and bold so the Grey Clan will get off my back)

I was simply curious. However, he replied with arrogance and immaturity, which he had chosen to do also with his replies to many other users throughout this thread.

This is an opinion thread. However, I'd rather not have that guy here shouting down everyone that does not conform to his opinion.

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Posted by: RigZ Boi
Can't believe Grey took over the thread. I wish I never created it. His arrogance and stubborness is frustrating.

OT: I have changed my mind. I still find Dutch the most annoying in terms of character development, however, Parangosky is now my choice with regards to being the most irritating in the universe.

Grey didn't take over the thread. You challenged him by asking how he is a Halo fan if he doesn't like MC.

Not to mention that this is an opinion thread, not a "Your not supposed to have that opinion thread."

  • 12.09.2011 2:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Problems:
1)THOUGHT. This is an ASSUMPTION, but everyone bases everything on this.


If the so-called best Spartan-II thinks that, it has merit.

2)Who is the one he is coming in second to? *Gasp* could it be the S-II that is stated to almost always win?

How can he always win, yet Linda is the better sniper and Kelly the fastest runner? Explain that. Chief also lost the first ever challenge the Spartans had to do by the way.

3)What types of competitions? Accuracy? I already said he was second best sniper. H2H? Both Will and Kelly are better there. Speed? Strength?

Fred is simply the second best at pretty much everything. The contests probably involve most of what you say. But there is something to being the second best. Will may win a H2H contest, but Fred will beat him at sniping. Linda may win at sniping, but he'd beat her in H2H. He is always beating someone.

Except for knives, he IS the best at that.

4)This is such a contradictory statement. Kelly is already said, multiple times to be the fastest. Same goes for Linda with sniping. This leads me to believe ALL the competitions is exaggeration, but should be replaced with most.

He comes in second compared to them. I would say he is still the all around best because coming in second means he is beating everyone else in one way or another.


And wouldn't Master Chief be beating the Specialists at the things they are not the best at? How can he come in SECOND in a H2H compitition if BOTH Kelly AND Will are more capable? I am highly doubting the EVERY competition better. Kindof like Halsey saying Jun is un-matched as a sniper.

Also, could he be saying competitions against Fred and Master Chief? That would make MUCH more sense. Which leads me back to my original conclusion that they are basically equals. If fred was verging on First at EVERYTHING, why would John be the S-II that stands out the most to the instructors?
(Also, John's TEAM lost the first one BECAUSE of John's motivation and desire to win at everything. John was the first one to ring the bell and get back.

  • 12.09.2011 2:32 PM PDT

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Hate Miranda.


Arrogant. Just arrogant.

  • 12.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
Is irritating character the annoying one ?

If so ...i find that offensive
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Right, because if i don't have an obsession with chief something must be wrong with me. And seeing how i know your a child and you said "This offends me" you support my point,which i wasn't even trying to argue in the first place.

Posted by: grey101
My top 3

JOHN, AVERY,and Buck.[/quote][/quote]




Posted by: superiorarsenal

2)No, no, no. Kurt being a better leader? Yeah I can see that, but then again, Master Chief never had the Leadership oppurtunities that Kurt had, so it isn't really fair. fred hasn't even shown anything short of leading Blue Team on one mission, then having Kurt take over. And no, he would not rank a 5 on everything. He is only beaten by the SPECIALISTS in each catagory (i.e. Linda and Fred in sniping, Kelly and Will in H2H). More like 7s across the board(Hmmmm, couldn't be a Bungie connection, could it?). Just because he isn't the very best doesn't mean he is average.
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It's been stated Fred is the best all around in everything. [/quote]

Quote please?


Comes from Chief.

Fall of Reach, pg, 78-79

"He always came in second in all the contests. John thought he could have come in first, but he just didn't like the attention."


Problems:
1)THOUGHT. This is an ASSUMPTION, but everyone bases everything on this.
2)Who is the one he is coming in second to? *Gasp* could it be the S-II that is stated to almost always win?
3)What types of competitions? Accuracy? I already said he was second best sniper. H2H? Both Will and Kelly are better there. Speed? Strength?
4)This is such a contradictory statement. Kelly is already said, multiple times to be the fastest. Same goes for Linda with sniping. This leads me to believe ALL the competitions is exaggeration, but should be replaced with most.


1. So when given evidence you are trying to say it isn't good enough? How about you give me a source saying "John is the best leader" or that he is "The best spartan"? You won't find it because it isn't true nor does it exist. That was created by children like you.

2.DO YOU EVEN READ THE BOOKS? John did not come in first all the time. His team was always in the top 3 but not number one every time.

3.read the F****** books. And give me a source for everything you are saying because i know you don't have the books. There are several spartans that are good in H2H combat,kelly is not one of them since she is the fastest runner.

4. There are no "competitions" For this They naturally devolped the skills they had. I am debating if I should even keep responding to you because you haven't read the books and won't accept that chief isn't some god.


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: grey101

1. Chief makes the franchise because the "Fans" hold his dick. If they started drooling over another character then the spotlight would change.

2.It was clearly stated in the books that there are several spartans that are better leaders than kurt. Such as Kurt and Fred. Um this is what i mean by "Holding his dick". Out of 10 chief ranks a 5 on everything save for luck which he gets a ten on. He is the "best" spartan because he is the average one.

3. The only thing "badass" he did in contact harvest was shoot a railgun. I can give you the flood but nothing else, even so that was a retcon.

5. Try investing in characters that don't get spotlight and are actually pivotal to the story.




1) I guess I see your point, but you can't change it, Master Chief is the figure-head of Halo.

2)No, no, no. Kurt being a better leader? Yeah I can see that, but then again, Master Chief never had the Leadership oppurtunities that Kurt had, so it isn't really fair. fred hasn't even shown anything short of leading Blue Team on one mission, then having Kurt take over. And no, he would not rank a 5 on everything. He is only beaten by the SPECIALISTS in each catagory (i.e. Linda and Fred in sniping, Kelly and Will in H2H). More like 7s across the board(Hmmmm, couldn't be a Bungie connection, could it?). Just because he isn't the very best doesn't mean he is average.

3. Ummmm, dispatch innies with cold efficiency, train a militia, fight aliens for the first time in the UNSC, got LAID. And that "retcon" actually made it a more impressive feat. If he could be infected, it just makes it so much more amazing that he survived. What about the awesome quotes?

5. I do, and they are cool and rank in my favorite characters, but calling people childish for admiring characters that are major characters with well flushed out backstorys in not valid.



1. seriously? When did i say i would or want to change that? And why are you arguing this?

2. This is another reason I don't like MC, because people like you have some childish infatuation with him and assume he must be the best at everything for some reason.
Chief had every chance Kurt did yet it just isn't chief's nature to be deeply imitate leader. If you Read GoO you would clearly see that.

You do understand that every single spartan has a specialty correct? Fred's specialty is knives not sniping. kelly's is running, and will was good with rockets and H2H.

Um It was clearly stated in the fall of reach that being the average was johns specialty. He wasn't the smartest,fastest,nor the strongest and that is what makes him the best.

So you are arguing something you have no knowledge about whatsoever.

3. As a said all of that can be done by anybody; is you seriously stated "training militia" and "having sex" as your reasons for liking him then you are supporting why I think you are child.

5.I am calling you childish for having an obsession with the character and not having a deep reason for that obsession. The funny thing is if you didn't act the way you are my statement wouldn't have affected you. If you said you like john because he was average then I would fine that to be ok, then again i don't care since this is an opinion thread.
How can you talk about john's back story when you don't even know it? Buck doesn't have a fleshed out story either and we have a 20 gap with Johnson.


1A)So why didn't Cortana choose Fred? Why wasn't Fred the stand-out S-II? It doesn't make sense.

2A)Yes I have, multiple times actually. There is only proof of his team coming in 3rd ONCE. Not Everytime. And Fred WAS part of MC's Team anyways.

3A)TFoR is the only one I don't have on hand(lost it somehow). But there is a quote from that book were MC notices Sam and Kelly sparring, and Kelly having to slow herself down so Sam can keep up. Kelly's speed translates to H2H aswell.

4A)You just assume I havn't read the books? What do you want me to find on any one of the books(Besides FOR, Cryptum, and grasslands, read them but don't have them at hand) Give me the page number and paragraph and I will post exactly what is there.. Actually, I am in the process of posting close to 100, if not more quotes on another website for another purpose. Here's the link, screen name tmwta. http://factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9145

1B) Never said you wanted to, just saying it can't be changed, and I also concede your point anyways so why fight?

2B) I just said "because he isn't best" what do you not understand. What I said is he isn't average. Also, Kurt was chosen for A) His social skills and B) The fact that they can't just take the figure-head of the S-II program.

Actually, I think one of the quotes I posted on that link actually says his specialty is sniping, if not, I will quote if for you. Also, show me the quote where Fred is said to be a knife specialist. Is it just because he used them in Halo: Legends? A S-Ii does not just have a speciallty of "knives"

You just said that being the most well-rounded is what makes him the best! WTF.

No, you are just claiming that. I've read the main 4 (TFOR, The Flood, FS, and GoO) 3-4 times. Contact Harvest 2, Cole Protocol 2, and the rest once.

3B) No, I was listing things normally associated with being a badass that Avery is/has done.

5B)I don't have an obsession, and the only reason I'm argueing is because I hate people that down-play certian characters, normally because they are main characters. I also never said I liked John either. And obviously you do care, because of the way that you are responding. I DO know John's backstory, I don't care for Buck(AS I ALREADY SAID), and what character doesn't have a large story gap?

[Edited on 12.09.2011 3:24 PM PST]

  • 12.09.2011 2:57 PM PDT

Why are you here?

Grey, why do you think Chief is annoying?

No bad intentions, just curious why...it's just kinda weird cause he's so quiet. Unless you mean in the books he is.


[Edited on 12.09.2011 3:10 PM PST]

  • 12.09.2011 3:09 PM PDT

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But really am sweet at heart. =)

Kat.

She is THE worst Spartan of all time, and possibly one of the worst UNSC officers in the fleet.

On her list of accomplishments.

1. After losing her arm over a year ago, she insists on using a very vulnerable robot one with no armor on it, even though at this time flash cloning existed. James had his hand blown off and had a new one flash cloned with in a month.

2. Barely managing to patch in Colonel Holland from Visegrad when she has literally at her fingertips, THE most powerful comm hub on the planet.

3. Leads an entire UNSC Army/Marines/ NAVSPECWAR team into a huge Covenant ambush, with NO preliminary scouting or bombardment. In fact, the teams she DOES send in, she pulls back 8 hours before the attack begins.

4. Launches a far fetched and pointless plan to attack a Covenant Super Carrier when a UNSC fleet is less than a day away, getting Jorge killed along with igniting an even larger conflict.

5. Forgets to activate her own -blam!- shields.


  • 12.09.2011 3:15 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Be careful. I asked out of curiosity and ignited a flame war. Beware. Grey is a bad cookie.

OT: Looking at one of the above posts which I can no longer be bothered to quote - I never realised just how dumb Kat actually was. She was an awful Spartan. (I can't really think of a way to even balance the argument)

Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
Grey, why do you think Chief is annoying?

No bad intentions, just curious why...it's just kinda weird cause he's so quiet. Unless you mean in the books he is.

  • 12.09.2011 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: RigZ Boi
Be careful. I asked out of curiosity and ignited a flame war. Beware. Grey is a bad cookie.

OT: Looking at one of the above posts which I can no longer be bothered to quote - I never realised just how dumb Kat actually was. She was an awful Spartan. (I can't really think of a way to even balance the argument)

Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
Grey, why do you think Chief is annoying?

No bad intentions, just curious why...it's just kinda weird cause he's so quiet. Unless you mean in the books he is.


I feel ya man. The second I try to say anything against him "YOU HAVN'T READ THE BOOKS! YOU ARE A CHILD!!". But ya, Kat annoys me to. Even in gameplay she is annoying(Don't kill me, it was a joke).

Maybe its just me, but I've been noticing a trend in the real world, and it has been showing up here. However, if I were to post it, Grey would lash out at me, say that I have no idea what I'm talking about(Which I do, I took AP Psychology in Highschool) and that I am a child. If you are interested I'll pm it to you. I don't feel like getting into a useless arguement about some trend that doesn't really matter.

  • 12.09.2011 3:44 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Yes, I agree, even in gameplay she was irritating. Some of the things she said and did when I first started playing Reach had me rage a little bit.

Yes, I'm very much interested. Feel free to PM me :)

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: RigZ Boi
Be careful. I asked out of curiosity and ignited a flame war. Beware. Grey is a bad cookie.

OT: Looking at one of the above posts which I can no longer be bothered to quote - I never realised just how dumb Kat actually was. She was an awful Spartan. (I can't really think of a way to even balance the argument)

Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
Grey, why do you think Chief is annoying?

No bad intentions, just curious why...it's just kinda weird cause he's so quiet. Unless you mean in the books he is.


I feel ya man. The second I try to say anything against him "YOU HAVN'T READ THE BOOKS! YOU ARE A CHILD!!". But ya, Kat annoys me to. Even in gameplay she is annoying(Don't kill me, it was a joke).

Maybe its just me, but I've been noticing a trend in the real world, and it has been showing up here. However, if I were to post it, Grey would lash out at me, say that I have no idea what I'm talking about(Which I do, I took AP Psychology in Highschool) and that I am a child. If you are interested I'll pm it to you. I don't feel like getting into a useless arguement about some trend that doesn't really matter.

  • 12.09.2011 3:55 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: RigZ Boi
I NEVER CHALLENGED HIM! (In caps and bold so the Grey Clan will get off my back)

I was simply curious. However, he replied with arrogance and immaturity, which he had chosen to do also with his replies to many other users throughout this thread.


So you thought the best way to ask that is to point out his forum rank and ask why he even bothers to like Halo if he doesn't like some of the main chatcaters? Maybe you should THINK before you post.

This is an opinion thread. However, I'd rather not have that guy here shouting down everyone that does not conform to his opinion.



Meanwhile you try to invalidate other's opinions.

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  • 12.09.2011 4:50 PM PDT

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Oh, please. Are you even reading my posts, Cobra? We're going in circles here, mate.

As I have mentioned many a time before throughout the five pages of the thread, I was curious as to how somebody with such a fondness of Halo (yes, as evident by his title prefix and posting history) could find a character such as John irritating, to the extent in which it begins to sound like hate rather than simply irritation.

I have also mentioned that I will never attempt to persuade another person's point of view when there is no need to. He has an opinion, I accept that. I have just been startled by the fact that when I state my curiosity I am suddenly bombarded with Halo canon and insults from members such as you and Grey.

I have never attempted to invalidate Grey's or anybody elses opinion in this thread.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RigZ Boi
I NEVER CHALLENGED HIM! (In caps and bold so the Grey Clan will get off my back)

I was simply curious. However, he replied with arrogance and immaturity, which he had chosen to do also with his replies to many other users throughout this thread.


So you thought the best way to ask that is to point out his forum rank and ask why he even bothers to like Halo if he doesn't like some of the main chatcaters? Maybe you should THINK before you post.

This is an opinion thread. However, I'd rather not have that guy here shouting down everyone that does not conform to his opinion.



Meanwhile you try to invalidate other's opinions.

  • 12.09.2011 4:59 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Gottalovec4
Kat.

She is THE worst Spartan of all time, and possibly one of the worst UNSC officers in the fleet.

On her list of accomplishments.

1. After losing her arm over a year ago, she insists on using a very vulnerable robot one with no armor on it, even though at this time flash cloning existed. James had his hand blown off and had a new one flash cloned with in a month.

2. Barely managing to patch in Colonel Holland from Visegrad when she has literally at her fingertips, THE most powerful comm hub on the planet.

3. Leads an entire UNSC Army/Marines/ NAVSPECWAR team into a huge Covenant ambush, with NO preliminary scouting or bombardment. In fact, the teams she DOES send in, she pulls back 8 hours before the attack begins.

4. Launches a far fetched and pointless plan to attack a Covenant Super Carrier when a UNSC fleet is less than a day away, getting Jorge killed along with igniting an even larger conflict.

5. Forgets to activate her own -blam!- shields.




1.- She lost her arm a month prior Halo: Reach and who are we to say she wasn't going to get a flash-cloned one? Maybe they had been busy and they were unable to get her one.

2.- The relay at Visegrad and its vicinity was jammed by Covenant troopers judging by the beginning of Winter Contingency, besides at the end it is stated that the components of said relay were burnt by plasma fire.

3.- She was only on charge of the reconnaissance operation because of the GIANT dark zone, and once Jun and Six found the reason why, they no longer had anything to do there seeing how they had done their objective. Besides, they didn't walk into an ambush, the Covenant would have found out if they were goin to attack, and seeing how they had Tyrants all over the place then they couldn't really bombard or risk losing frigates (Hence the whole "destroy the AA Turrets"). And she told them to pull back for briefing and to get ready not because of the lolz.

4.- The only thing she did was to help them destroy the Super Carrier, ONI was keeping most of Reach's fleet at the other side of the planet without a clue of why they were all clustered together and the small number of ships they had at that side of the planet were destroyed by the Super Carrier by the looks of things ("All our nukes are out of system or went down with the ships that carried them")

Besides, how did she ignite an even larger conflict? The fleet that jumps into the system after the Long Night of Solace did so a few seconds after the ship was destroyed which indicates that they had been on their way for some days, if anything, she helped make the fight easier, seeing how the few ships that remained were overpowered by regular CSS-Battle Cruisers and now add a Super Carrier, it would have been impossible for them to fight the possible millions of troopers that ship probably had.

and finally.

5.- The building was ONI-related, so it probably had most if not all the electronics be EMP-proof, Spartan shields on the other hand aren't made to withstand EMP and so, they were depleted, add that to the fact that the Cruiser used its glassing beam close to them and all that radiation kept their shields down long enough for the Field Marshal to kill her (You do not see any shield power up on the members of Noble Team during that scene.

  • 12.09.2011 5:00 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: RigZ Boi
As I have mentioned many a time before throughout the five pages of the thread, I was curious as to how somebody with such a fondness of Halo (yes, as evident by his title prefix and posting history) could find a character such as John irritating, to the extent in which it begins to sound like hate rather than simply irritation.


I'll just point out that not liking the main charcaters yet liking the story isn't that hard. I really hate Victor Franksentien, yet I love the book. I hate the majority of the Greek main charcaters in the Illiad, but I like the story.

  • 12.09.2011 5:02 PM PDT

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Brilliant stuff. It may not be hard, but I had never heard of before in regards to Halo, and thus I was intrigued and my curioisty was evoked.

I hate Gatsby, and Nick Carraway, however I love The Great Gatsby. I just thought I'd throw that in there.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: RigZ Boi
As I have mentioned many a time before throughout the five pages of the thread, I was curious as to how somebody with such a fondness of Halo (yes, as evident by his title prefix and posting history) could find a character such as John irritating, to the extent in which it begins to sound like hate rather than simply irritation.


I'll just point out that not liking the main charcaters yet liking the story isn't that hard. I really hate Victor Franksentien, yet I love the book. I hate the majority of the Greek main charcaters in the Illiad, but I like the story.

  • 12.09.2011 5:06 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I'm going to apologize for my earlier remarks. FOlks liek me and Grey, for different reasons, seem to have our fandom to Halo questioned these days. It's tiresome.

  • 12.09.2011 5:10 PM PDT
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Oh, looky there, an example of the technique I messaged you in action. What a surprise!

  • 12.09.2011 5:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Antonio I presume?

  • 12.09.2011 5:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Antonio I presume?


?

  • 12.09.2011 5:23 PM PDT

Don't Ruin My Day

I choose Kat because...really all she is there for is to be a plasma sponge and take it long enough for me to get to cover. Also she is a stress reliever when I play on Legendary.

  • 12.09.2011 5:39 PM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.

Kat simply because she died in the most disappointing way EVER!
And the spartan II in the Fall of Reach who died from getting his jet pack shot then wildly flying of into space :/ That would suck so bad to be him

  • 12.09.2011 5:58 PM PDT
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343 Guilty Spark.

"Oh, hello..."

  • 12.09.2011 6:34 PM PDT
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lol when you fight ALL the way through the Library, then finally get to the Index, Sparky is like, "Oh ya, I'll be taking that" Then simply teleports you back to the control room is pretty irritating. Y u no t@ke meh thar first? Y u mAke meh fite teh fL0od? YYyyYYY!!!!!!

[Edited on 12.09.2011 6:56 PM PST]

  • 12.09.2011 6:55 PM PDT