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Subject: Ignore feature


Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Achronos
On the same token, those complaining that people should "just ignore" those they don't like... that's also not really relevant. In the first place, who are you telling others how they read the forums is "right" or "wrong"? Besides, adding an ignore feature doesn't remove this option. Those of us who don't ever ignore people can simply go on as usual. This is about adding a tool so that people (ironically) don't have to ignore someone, their posts just won't be there or be minimized.
So some people can go on as normal, and others can selectively silence other members. What is lost? Potential interaction between users, driving additional forum activity and keeping the community alive. What is gained? Some people have a slightly better forum experience in that they don't have to see posts they'd have otherwise ignored anyway? Is the gain worth the loss, and--though this isn't a user's concern--it is also worth the effort required to make this a reality?


Would they? Or would they respond angrily, starting a flame war?

If they could just make all the offending user's posts disappear, there would be no need to respond and users would have a better experience overall.

It's like muting the racists and other idiots on Xbox Live, rather than responding.

  • 12.14.2011 4:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
If you do decide to go through with this feature, minimizing is definitely prefered to voiping off the face of the forum =\

This. I created a thread about something like this a long while ago and tried to stress that things would just be minimized, not removed.


Sounds like a lot of extra work for little gain. If people seriously can't stand someone on this site to the point where they don't want to see even a shred of evidence that they are interacting with the rest of the community, then that person has issues.
I agree, I don't think a tool designed to hide selected content from view should have to be extended to removing quotes as well. If a user is so extreme that he doesn't want to see anything from a particular user he can just hide posts that quoted that user as well. They would only be hurting their own experience anyway.

Would also be nice if such a censor wore off / had to be reapplied every two weeks or so. If you can't remember the name of the guy who wronged you half a month ago, then chances are that your grievances are trivial enough to the point that they can easily be forgiven.
Oh! What if the ignore user feature worked something like a queue. You can view a list of all the users you're ignoring and the amount of time until the ignore expires. An ignore could last something like 30 days and when there's a week left on it you can go to the queue and opt to renew your ignore on a user.

I still don't think this feature is neccessary whatsoever, just thought I'd offer my two cents in the off chance that it potentially gets implemented.
I think it could be a useful features to help some who just can't ignore some things. More so than a ban would help, I think anyway.


[Edited on 12.14.2011 4:57 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: RighteousTyrant
. . . posts they'd have otherwise ignored anyway? Is the gain worth the loss, and--though this isn't a user's concern--it is also worth the effort required to make this a reality?


Would they? Or would they respond angrily, starting a flame war?

If they could just make all the offending user's posts disappear, there would be no need to respond and users would have a better experience overall.
Good point, I hadn't considered that.

  • 12.14.2011 4:59 PM PDT


Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: coolmike699
Because Bungie is a business. Their job is to give their customers the best experience, based on what is happening, not what the most ideal scenario is.

We shouldn't need mods at all, because everyone should be mature when they come here. But they aren't, so we have mods to make the site better for those of us who do want to contribute. Us having moderators is Bungie making extra effort to deal with immature people.
I said "facilitate," not "deal with." And that's where your comparison falls apart.


Bungie wouldn't be just be facilitating immature people. They would also be facilitating those of us who don't want to deal with them.

  • 12.14.2011 4:59 PM PDT

The psychological thought process of a spammer is very similar to that of a criminal, it is to cause harm as well a get a reaction for their "work".

With this function, it would be a step towards limiting both of these things.

Therefore it would not only let individual people limit the spam that they have to sift through and deal with, but it would also decrease the overall level of spam and unnecessary posts.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 5:12 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 5:12 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
Let me get this right, you are saying people want to fragment the community? I don't think that will end well.

Will the ignore feature do it? Possibly. Are responses really THAT big of a deal? NO there not.

I just don't see the need for this. I don't even know how one would implement this so it wouldn't get abused.


I'm not sure where I said that "people want to fragment the community".

But I think that the best way to do this so that it "dosen't get abused" is to implement it by the thread. Let's say (hypothetically, Ken, don't get mad now) that your posts in this thread are really annoying me. I could respond to them and tell you to "stop posting", or I could click "ignore user" and have all your posts in this thread disappear, and not be annoyed by them. I wouldn't have responded to your posts constructively anyway, so why bother with them at all? You don't get flamed, I don't get banned, and no one gets annoyed.

Maybe a lot of people would ignore you. But those are people who are either already ignoring you, or people who flame you. Why do you care what those people do?

[Edited on 12.14.2011 5:35 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 5:27 PM PDT


Posted by: insaneAssass1n9
The psychological thought process of a spammer is very similar to that of a criminal, it is to cause harm as well a get a reaction for their "work".


The guy who stole my GPS back in May dosen't give a flying -blam!- what I think about him. He just cares about the money that the pawn shop will offer him for it.

No, the thought process of a spammer is more like that of a bully. They like to see the damage they do.

  • 12.14.2011 5:30 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: coolmike699
Bungie wouldn't be just be facilitating immature people. They would also be facilitating those of us who don't want to deal with them.
If you need the site to hide people who you'd otherwise ignore, you're immature IMO. That's what I meant by "facilitate".


Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: insaneAssass1n9
The psychological thought process of a spammer is very similar to that of a criminal, it is to cause harm as well a get a reaction for their "work".


The guy who stole my GPS back in May dosen't give a flying -blam!- what I think about him. He just cares about the money that the pawn shop will offer him for it.

No, the thought process of a spammer is more like that of a bully. They like to see the damage they do.
Agreeing with this. Pretty sure a criminal's only thought is of what he gains from his deeds.

  • 12.14.2011 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Well then, it's a good thing no one (at least on this page) made such an argument, isn't it?
From what I've read throughout this thread, Achronos seems to be in support of this feature and my post was an effort at trying to push him more into the "for" territory. It doesn't really matter if anyone tried to assert that point or not.

  • 12.14.2011 5:52 PM PDT

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

Wait, wouldn't it be better to just PM a mod about another user who is harassing you?

  • 12.14.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chalupa King117
Wait, wouldn't it be better to just PM a mod about another user who is harassing you?
To be blunt, it's not about ignoring harassment, it's about ignoring rampant, consistent, and obnoxious stupidity.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 6:10 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 6:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Chalupa King117
Wait, wouldn't it be better to just PM a mod about another user who is harassing you?
To be blunt, it's not about ignoring harassment, it's about ignoring rampant, consistent, and obnoxious stupidity.
Same thing, right? Annoying user? Ask mod to get him off you.

  • 12.14.2011 6:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chalupa King117
Same thing, right? Annoying user? Ask mod to get him off you.
I don't think "You've been banned because your posts are annoying [insert name here]" would go over that well with the community, even among people who didn't get banned.

  • 12.14.2011 6:14 PM PDT

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

I was thinking of having mods oversee this ignoring system, actually.

Request a mod with a valid reason and they will edit your account to ignore certain users.

*Available to Master Ninjas only
Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Chalupa King117
Same thing, right? Annoying user? Ask mod to get him off you.
I don't think "You've been banned because your posts are annoying [insert name here]" would go over that well with the community, even among people who didn't get banned.

  • 12.14.2011 6:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chalupa King117
I was thinking of having mods oversee this ignoring system, actually.

Request a mod with a valid reason and they will edit your account to ignore certain users.

*Available to Master Ninjas only
Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Chalupa King117
Same thing, right? Annoying user? Ask mod to get him off you.
I don't think "You've been banned because your posts are annoying [insert name here]" would go over that well with the community, even among people who didn't get banned.
The point of the system, at least what I've gleaned from Achronos' posts, is to give the ninjas less work not more.

  • 12.14.2011 6:21 PM PDT

I don't see any problem with this at all.

  • 12.14.2011 6:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chalupa King117
I was thinking of having mods oversee this ignoring system, actually.

Request a mod with a valid reason and they will edit your account to ignore certain users.

*Available to Master Ninjas only
Yeah I'm not too fond of that idea, it's rather impractical and what would the mods say? No?

When someone says "I find [this] user annoying" they can't really reply with "no you don't".


And if they can't reject an application to block someone, then why submit it to them at all?
A automated process would do a much better job for a lot less effort.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 6:23 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 6:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

Would be great and useful. If I can ignore coup, why can't I ignore a person?

  • 12.14.2011 6:23 PM PDT

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

Point is, though, how often is there a user here so annoying that you don't want to see their posts?

  • 12.14.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chalupa King117

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Chalupa King117
Wait, wouldn't it be better to just PM a mod about another user who is harassing you?
To be blunt, it's not about ignoring harassment, it's about ignoring rampant, consistent, and obnoxious stupidity.
Same thing, right? Annoying user? Ask mod to get him off you.
Again, not to sound shallow, but it'd be put in place so that you (all) wouldnt have to look at posts by people who's posts you don't like. Say someone dislikes me both as a person and as a poster. They've never read something that I've typed AND they've liked. They would block me so they no longer have to, by default, see my "stupid" posts.

  • 12.14.2011 6:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Chalupa King117
Point is, though, how often is there a user here so annoying that you don't want to see their posts?


Plenty of times.

  • 12.14.2011 6:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chalupa King117
Point is, though, how often is there a user here so annoying that you don't want to see their posts?
I dunno man, some people rage easily.

The problem with it being intergrated into the site is that people would use it too frivolously, "Oh, you disagree with me? BLOCK!", while on the other hand if there's hassle in it like having to report to a moderator or a "Block commitioner" then yeah it'll be less frequent, but it would also be more costly to run such a unnecessary system.


I just can't see a way that implementing this straight into the site will work. Neither am I sure there are really any circumstances this will work properly in general, I guess we won't know until such a feature is created by the community/implemented. (Which actually might not be that far off, Apoc said he's working on one now.)

  • 12.14.2011 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: Chalupa King117
Point is, though, how often is there a user here so annoying that you don't want to see their posts?
I dunno man, some people rage easily.

The problem with it being intergrated into the site is that people would use it too frivolously, "Oh, you disagree with me? BLOCK!", while on the other hand if there's hassle in it like having to report to a moderator or a "Block commitioner" then yeah it'll be less frequent, but it would also be more costly to run such a unnecessary system.


I just can't see a way that implementing this straight into the site will work. Neither am I sure there are really any circumstances this will work properly in general, I guess we won't know until such a feature is created by the community/implemented. (Which actually might not be that far off, Apoc said he's working on one now.)
If someone's immature enough to block someone for disagreeing with them, they deserve to sit in the darkness that is not seeing anyone's posts, in my opinion.

  • 12.14.2011 7:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If someone's immature enough to block someone for disagreeing with them, they deserve to sit in the darkness that is not seeing anyone's posts, in my opinion.
But the thing is, then they'll just see the posts of people agreeing with them, reaffirming their close minded attitude instead of challenging it and allowing said person to mature.

In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.

  • 12.14.2011 7:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If someone's immature enough to block someone for disagreeing with them, they deserve to sit in the darkness that is not seeing anyone's posts, in my opinion.
But the thing is, then they'll just see the posts of people agreeing with them, reaffirming their close minded attitude instead of challenging it and allowing said person to mature.

In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Bungie's here to provide a pleasurable forumgoing experience for as many people as possible without compromising their own values and ideals about the site. Not to educate those who are so ignorant that they wouldn't be able to even recognize a learning opportunity, let alone ACTUALLY learn from it.

You can throw spinach at a wolf all day. Don't mean he's gonna eat it. Best to just feed him the finest cuts of meat as long as it means he leaves the over animals alone. (Pretty legit metaphor rite hurr.)

  • 12.14.2011 7:08 PM PDT