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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Bungie's here to provide a pleasurable forumgoing experience for as many people as possible without compromising their own values and ideals about the site. Not to educate those who are so ignorant that they wouldn't be able to even recognize a learning opportunity, let alone ACTUALLY learn from it.

You can throw spinach at a wolf all day. Don't mean he's gonna eat it. Best to just feed him the finest cuts of meat as long as it means he leaves the over animals alone. (Pretty legit metaphor rite hurr.)
You learn from everything you do.
Even if it's ignoring a annoying user for the four-hundredth time.
There's no reason to limit our potential by allowing us to reject certain experiences.

(Also, TIL you're metaphors are almost as bad as mine. XD)
(I wonder how many grammar -blam!-s I'll piss off with that comment)

  • 12.14.2011 7:18 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

If you could only block individual posts I would feel better about this. And, as a bonus when you hide a posts it also sends a warning so that if enough warnings/hidden things are sent, mods will see what the post is. If it DOES NOT break the COC, then it will be unblocked.

  • 12.14.2011 7:20 PM PDT

Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?

Posted by: spartain ken 15
If you could only block individual posts I would feel better about this. And, as a bonus when you hide a posts it also sends a warning so that if enough warnings/hidden things are sent, mods will see what the post is. If it DOES NOT break the COC, then it will be unblocked.
1. You still have to read the post before hiding it.

2. Posts you hide may not violate the rules of the forum. Which means you're probably wasting our (moderators) time.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 7:23 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 7:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?
Yes.

  • 12.14.2011 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?
Yes.

There you have it folks.

  • 12.14.2011 7:22 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?


Solution:
Well you could like not read the brony threads (they don;t break the rules). Memes are part of the internet, they won;t be going anywhere. And if someone sees "JOHN CENA, JOHN CENA" and clicks on it, wow. I NEVER click on a link that I think is unsafe and I report it.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 7:24 PM PST]

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Holy hell was this a long read - two Crown & Cokes and a half hour later. Why do I always wait till these things get so long!?

Before I begin, I would like to say that I've read every single post in this thread, and xecnalxes117 would definitely - without the slightest doubt in my mind - be on my ignore list. Which, I'll definitely use as an example for this.

When I first read the original post, I was all for this idea - then I got to reading. Many people posed valid points that I couldn't disregard myself, and now I am in limbo on this entire idea as well. I agree that something would be better than nothing, but there's so much to consider that a straight up "Ignore Feature" would be scrapped before it hit the board of ideas.

There's no doubt that every day we all think of ways to improve our own experience on Bnet, and honestly, this would definitely do it. But at what cost? While the fragmentation, echo-concept, and the holes in a discussion are evident, there has to be more, right? Our own personal growth, as an internet avatar and ourselves, perhaps? Thickening our skin would be a thing of the past? Really, with a Community this large, there's a near infinite amount of possibilities and directions an Ignore Feature could go.

I really liked what Duardo pitched, integrate and ignore feature to the report button - sort of. What I had in mind is moving the report button into the signature part of our posts, or some other type of drop-down on our profiles come the Newest Hawtness. There would be three options that would effect the particular post, let's say xecnalxes117 first post. On the drop down just before our signatures, have a "Report", "Report & Ignore", and a simple "Ignore".

In order: the report would simply do what it does now; the report and ignore would make the post disappear, and set it up to be ready to head into the report queue; and the ignore would simply make the post disappear.

Now, say xecnalxes117 second post in this thread really got to me. Obviously he's not breaking any rules at this point, so I would "Ignore" the second post as well - this could make all posts by that user disappear in the thread. This would allow us to see a users point of view, before completely shutting them out.

But, what if we want to shut certain people out? Say I keep posting and every time I turn around xecnalxes117 just spews gobble-dee-goop. If I ignore five of his posts in five different threads, he would be added to a list of users that I would prefer not to notice - aka ignore.

Without a doubt though, people change - and forget. Honestly, I think a month would more then suffice till a person is automatically removed from an ignore list. Following up on this with just a very random thought....

Now, say it's been a month but xecnalxes117 still seems to keep getting to me. I follow the process again, and once again I'm a month without having to read what he has to say. After six months of this reoccurring ignoring, they would become permanently ignored.

While I admit, the process is drawn out - we're a Community. If anything we should call it a "Time-out" button. It's never a good idea to ignore what someone says, especially in such an inviting and friendly atmosphere that we have. Sure, it's not the best, but it's what we have.

Everyone's word is valuable; if someone wants to completely disregard what someone says without even thinking about reading it, make 'em work for it - even if the work is just waiting for the option to permanently ignore.

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  • 12.14.2011 7:26 PM PDT

I still think this would be best if the "ignore user" button made all of the user's posts in the thread disappear. It wouldn't affect the user outside of that thread.

  • 12.14.2011 7:30 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

I think if this is added, it should ONLY be used for offences against the code of conduct. Like the report button, if you abuse the ignore feature, there will be repercussions. *Many people ignore someone who didn't break the rules gets them unlocked for everyone again.

As I said before, this is how it SHOULD work:

You see a shock site spammer, you press IGNORE, that ONLY ignores his 1 Post he made in that thread. From there, your ignore goes in as a report and enough ignores and reports will send in a mod.

IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore. Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net?

  • 12.14.2011 7:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?
Yes.
Keep in mind I'm a avid hater of MLP, Skyrim and overused memes in general.

I'm also in favour of this feature.


The problem I have with it is there's no way I can rationally justify it's existance, I cannot concieve a scenario where the pros outweigh the cons, or a scenario where the pro is really significant.
What? A few people blocking Ken? Is that the whole pro pile?

The only variation of this idea that might work if implemented directly to the site would be to filter out posts with certain content rather than certain users, like filtering out a post which has the words "JOHN+CENA" in them over several times, or filtering out certain links, or just filtering out repeating loops of words so you don't get walls of text people posted as a joke.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
As I said before, this is how it SHOULD work:

You see a shock site spammer, you press IGNORE, that ONLY ignores his 1 Post he made in that thread. From there, your ignore goes in as a report and enough ignores and reports will send in a mod.

IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore. Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net?
What you're pruposing is fixing the report button, nothing to do with this feature.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 7:33 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 7:31 PM PDT

Yes, I agree with this. I made a thread about it a bit ago. I think a flood filter would be a good idea altogether.
Posted by: MURDUR 587
The only variation of this idea that might work if implemented directly to the site would be to filter out posts with certain content rather than certain users, like filtering out a post which has the words "JOHN+CENA" in them over several times, or filtering out certain links, or just filtering out repeating loops of words.

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Posted by: Achronos
Abused... how?

An ignore button is per-user. You can't affect what other people see. If you ignore someone, they won't ever know. To them, you just decided to not reply to them... which can happen to any post for any reason right now.

The generic "it will be abused" is often thrown out when a new feature is up for discussion. But ANY type of user input can be abused (see: text-only forum posts). Does that mean your forum posts should only be comprised of symbols that represent pre-screened sentences?

Don't be that guy.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I don't even know how one would implement this so it wouldn't get abused.


I hope this means that the ignore feature will be implemented.

  • 12.14.2011 7:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: ctjl96
Yes, I agree with this. I made a thread about it a bit ago. I think a flood filter would be a good idea altogether.
Posted by: MURDUR 587
The only variation of this idea that might work if implemented directly to the site would be to filter out posts with certain content rather than certain users, like filtering out a post which has the words "JOHN+CENA" in them over several times, or filtering out certain links, or just filtering out repeating loops of words.
That's not really what I was saying but yeah that does fall under the criteria.

  • 12.14.2011 7:34 PM PDT

Meh, I think he said he's considering it.
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Posted by: Achronos
Abused... how?

An ignore button is per-user. You can't affect what other people see. If you ignore someone, they won't ever know. To them, you just decided to not reply to them... which can happen to any post for any reason right now.

The generic "it will be abused" is often thrown out when a new feature is up for discussion. But ANY type of user input can be abused (see: text-only forum posts). Does that mean your forum posts should only be comprised of symbols that represent pre-screened sentences?

Don't be that guy.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I don't even know how one would implement this so it wouldn't get abused.


I hope this means that the ignore feature will be implemented.

Yes, I knew what you were saying. I was referring to the general idea of not allowing repetitive content to be posted by censoring it or preventing it automatically.
Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: ctjl96
Yes, I agree with this. I made a thread about it a bit ago. I think a flood filter would be a good idea altogether.
Posted by: MURDUR 587
The only variation of this idea that might work if implemented directly to the site would be to filter out posts with certain content rather than certain users, like filtering out a post which has the words "JOHN+CENA" in them over several times, or filtering out certain links, or just filtering out repeating loops of words.
That's not really what I was saying but yeah that does fall under the criteria.


[Edited on 12.14.2011 7:36 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 7:35 PM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think if this is added, it should ONLY be used for offences against the code of conduct. Like the report button, if you abuse the ignore feature, there will be repercussions. *Many people ignore someone who didn't break the rules gets them unlocked for everyone again.

As I said before, this is how it SHOULD work:

You see a shock site spammer, you press IGNORE, that ONLY ignores his 1 Post he made in that thread. From there, your ignore goes in as a report and enough ignores and reports will send in a mod.

IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore.
No. Like I said above, you'll end up wasting our (moderators) time going through reports about things which, while technically don't break the rules, you just find annoying.

Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net? It's not about the rules. It's about giving users tools to be able to define for themselves their own set of "rules" about what they do and don't want to see.

For example, if I determine that all that you're posting is garbage, what's the point in your posts being there when I'm going to skip over them anyway?

  • 12.14.2011 7:40 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore. Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net?


OK, you've made about 15 variations of this same post now. We've heard, we get it. You know, maybe fewer people would be annoyed with you if you would address their points instead of rephrasing the same thing over and over.

As several of us have asked, why would you want to interact with the people who are flaming you, tellign you to stop posting, and generally being jerks towards you? Why wouldn't you rather them ignore you?

It's simple. If I don't want to see your (or anyone else's) posts, I shouldn't have to. If I find a user annoying, I should be able to block them.

  • 12.14.2011 7:42 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think if this is added, it should ONLY be used for offences against the code of conduct. Like the report button, if you abuse the ignore feature, there will be repercussions. *Many people ignore someone who didn't break the rules gets them unlocked for everyone again.

As I said before, this is how it SHOULD work:

You see a shock site spammer, you press IGNORE, that ONLY ignores his 1 Post he made in that thread. From there, your ignore goes in as a report and enough ignores and reports will send in a mod.

IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore.
No. Like I said above, you'll end up wasting our (moderators) time going through reports about things which, while technically don't break the rules, you just find annoying.

Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net? It's not about the rules. It's about giving users tools to be able to define for themselves their own set of "rules" about what they do and don't want to see.

For example, if I determine that all that you're posting is garbage, what's the point in your posts being there when I'm going to skip over them anyway?


At your last comment, the "point of my posts being there" is that I am as much of a member of Bungie.net as you or anyone else here is. I should not be silenced on the forums becuase you "disagree" with me. If you skip over them, thats cool. But I think I should be able to post on the forums so others can see, that is KIND OF the point of a FORUM.

You don't want this idea to help with the REAL problems such as trolls, spammers, etc. YOU want this feature to censor out members of the community. I find using this feature to censor out people who DON'T do anything wrong is a waste of valuable resources and the webteams time.

heck with censoring people, we might as well not have forums at all.

Daz, you realize when people censor me for example, it is affecting MY Bungie.net experience too right? Like less people that will never see my threads or responses. How is that fair for me, if I have done nothing wrong? I don't agree with what people say (like this thread and your idea for example) but that doesn't mean I censor you, NO, I leave feedback FROM a different view.

This feature (if made) should only be used against people who break rules/the coc, not to punish people who do nothing wrong.

  • 12.14.2011 7:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
At your last comment, the "point of my posts being there" is that I am as much of a member of Bungie.net as you or anyone else here is. I should not be silenced on the forums becuase you "disagree" with me. If you skip over them, thats cool. But I think I should be able to post on the forums so others can see, that is KIND OF the point of a FORUM.
You do realise that only the people who would skip over your posts would ignore you right?

So it really wouldn't effect your experience.
You won't be blocked out by everyone, just the people who don't want to listen to you.Posted by: dazarobbo
For example, if I determine that all that you're posting is garbage, what's the point in your posts being there when I'm going to skip over them anyway?
Dude, tact.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 7:51 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 7:50 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: spartain ken 15
IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore. Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net?


OK, you've made about 15 variations of this same post now. We've heard, we get it. You know, maybe fewer people would be annoyed with you if you would address their points instead of rephrasing the same thing over and over.

As several of us have asked, why would you want to interact with the people who are flaming you, tellign you to stop posting, and generally being jerks towards you? Why wouldn't you rather them ignore you?

It's simple. If I don't want to see your (or anyone else's) posts, I shouldn't have to. If I find a user annoying, I should be able to block them.



I like to interact with everyone on the forums. I find many people here seems smart. But, I know some people need to learn some self control. That can be taught through bans, and some people need a few to be reminded to not be so "arrogant".

This feature IS a GOOD idea, but you guys want to twist it so instead of dealing with trolls, spammers, etc (like only blocking 1 post and reporting it), you guys want to completely remove someone off the forums, for NO REASON other than "eh I don't agree with them".

That is NOT a good community, that is one that is not willing to accept new members, forums cliques, and isolates itself. I <3 this community but some people need to learn to respect fellow members.

The ignore feature does not teach respect, it does not remove any problems, it just masks them. There will still be pessimistic people and the same grudges.

  • 12.14.2011 7:52 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

This feature (if made) should only be used against people who break rules/the coc, not to punish people who do nothing wrong. What? We already have that feature. Why would we need another one, when very few people use the report button now? No, these are very separate systems, and to maintain their worth, need to remain separate. You could still report actual rule breakers, and people who can't seem to use their built in biological ignore capacity can use a built in one that they will actually be sort of likely to use.

Daz, you realize when people censor me for example, it is affecting MY Bungie.net experience too right? Like less people that will never see my threads or responses. How is that fair for me, if I have done nothing wrong? I don't agree with what people say (like this thread and your idea for example) but that doesn't mean I censor you, NO, I leave feedback FROM a different view. As is their right. If they don't want to see your replies, so be it. I don't see how it could possibly impact your experience here negatively. The only thing that an ignore feature would do in that regard is give them an ability to not attack you or whine about you. That's positive. For you, them, and me, because I then don't have to lock topics for being about you or ban people who flame you. I see literally no negatives there. It will only make your experience here better.

Now on to another point of contention.

Meh to "fragmenting". Its already fragmented. There's not as much solidarity as most detractors in this thread seem to think there is. People think of themselves as Bungie fans yes, but they also fragment themselves. Floodians, private chapter affiliations, Septards, etc. I don't see how simply ignoring someone would change that at all. So some people who probably don't get along would no longer bother each other publicly. I don't see a problem there. Just a solution.

  • 12.14.2011 7:56 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
At your last comment, the "point of my posts being there" is that I am as much of a member of Bungie.net as you or anyone else here is. I should not be silenced on the forums becuase you "disagree" with me. If you skip over them, thats cool. But I think I should be able to post on the forums so others can see, that is KIND OF the point of a FORUM.
You do realise that only the people who would skip over your posts would ignore you right?

So it really wouldn't effect your experience.
You won't be blocked out by everyone, just the people who don't want to listen to you.Posted by: dazarobbo
For example, if I determine that all that you're posting is garbage, what's the point in your posts being there when I'm going to skip over them anyway?
Dude, tact.


If people already skip over my posts then why is it such a "big deal" for people to block all my posts. This feature is obviously not needed if people already have the capabilities to skip over all my posts.

As for this, you guys want to turn something that has great potential to solve many issues into a weapon against the community.

I bet if a majority of the forum ignored you, your threads got no replies, and you never were part of any discussions, you would not want to be part of Bungie.net anymore. I doubt it will be that serious, BUT it can be pretty bad if enough people block you out.

If this feature was added to Bungie.net. I want it to be tracked based on use and how many ignores get for people who did not break any rules in the code of conduct, and a system will un-ignore people who don't do anything wrong.

  • 12.14.2011 7:57 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

If people already skip over my posts then why is it such a "big deal" for people to block all my posts. This feature is obviously not needed if people already have the capabilities to skip over all my posts.
That is not what this is about. Its about letting everyone self censor themselves, by giving the site the ability to remind itself that all of us can ignore things we don't like. So what if that translates over to a few users? In the end, those situations will be few and far in between. I doubt most people would use it solely to ignore some guy they don't like and nothing else. And again, how is that bad? Its just less crap we all have to deal with.

I'll still see and read and contemplate your replies Ken. I'd imagine the vast majority of us will. So what if a few people who only reply to you negatively will no longer do so?

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:03 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:01 PM PDT

If everyone would grow the -blam!- up and stop whining about seeing posts they don't like, this feature wouldn't be necessary.

  • 12.14.2011 8:02 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: evilcam
As is their right. If they don't want to see your replies, so be it. I don't see how it could possibly impact your experience here negatively. The only thing that an ignore feature would do in that regard is give them an ability to not attack you or whine about you. That's positive. For you, them, and me, because I then don't have to lock topics for being about you or ban people who flame you. I see literally no negatives there. It will only make your experience here better.


Huh, so I have to lose out. I don't recall ever doing anything really too bad. And if people flame me, I think they should be banned. They broke the rules, they should take a several day time out. That is how people learn.

This, this is just isolating people. It does not fix anything, it is a little invisible field. The hate is still there, it will always be there. But, at least if people lose their posting privileges for a while for being rude to people, they can learn to keep their attitude in control.

This feature, I like it, when it is used against people who deserve it, not people who don't do anything.

  • 12.14.2011 8:03 PM PDT