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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: spartain ken 15
IF the person broke the rules, BANHAMMER. If they DID NOT break any rules, they should be unlocked again and not ignored anymore. Why punish people who followed all the rules on Bungie.net?


OK, you've made about 15 variations of this same post now. We've heard, we get it. You know, maybe fewer people would be annoyed with you if you would address their points instead of rephrasing the same thing over and over.

As several of us have asked, why would you want to interact with the people who are flaming you, tellign you to stop posting, and generally being jerks towards you? Why wouldn't you rather them ignore you?

It's simple. If I don't want to see your (or anyone else's) posts, I shouldn't have to. If I find a user annoying, I should be able to block them.



I like to interact with everyone on the forums. I find many people here seems smart. But, I know some people need to learn some self control. That can be taught through bans, and some people need a few to be reminded to not be so "arrogant".

This feature IS a GOOD idea, but you guys want to twist it so instead of dealing with trolls, spammers, etc (like only blocking 1 post and reporting it), you guys want to completely remove someone off the forums, for NO REASON other than "eh I don't agree with them".

That is NOT a good community, that is one that is not willing to accept new members, forums cliques, and isolates itself. I <3 this community but some people need to learn to respect fellow members.

The ignore feature does not teach respect, it does not remove any problems, it just masks them. There will still be pessimistic people and the same grudges.


Thinking a user is annoying is not being "arrogant".

Again, you ignore the main point that several of us have made.

What is the difference between clicking "ignore user" and saying to myself "Oh look, another Ken post, scroll down" and ignoring you that way? And why wouldn't you want people who would normally attack or flame you to just ignore you?

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
If people already skip over my posts then why is it such a "big deal" for people to block all my posts. This feature is obviously not needed if people already have the capabilities to skip over all my posts.
Just because I can do complicated equations in my head doesn't mean I'd turn down a calculator.Posted by: spartain ken 15
As for this, you guys want to turn something that has great potential to solve many issues into a weapon against the community.
What? I don't want that at all.Posted by: spartain ken 15
I bet if a majority of the forum ignored you, your threads got no replies, and you never were part of any discussions, you would not want to be part of Bungie.net anymore. I doubt it will be that serious, BUT it can be pretty bad if enough people block you out.
Either that or make me calm down, then post in an acceptable manner until people who haven't blocked me either sing my praises to others, or repeatedly quote my helpful posts in threads. Making people respond with "Heh, maybe he's not that bad", which would then cause everyone to be a big bundle of joy.Posted by: spartain ken 15
If this feature was added to Bungie.net. I want it to be tracked based on use and how many ignores get for people who did not break any rules in the code of conduct, and a system will un-ignore people who don't do anything wrong.
A system to remove the posts of rule breakers already exists Ken.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: evilcam
As is their right. If they don't want to see your replies, so be it. I don't see how it could possibly impact your experience here negatively. The only thing that an ignore feature would do in that regard is give them an ability to not attack you or whine about you. That's positive. For you, them, and me, because I then don't have to lock topics for being about you or ban people who flame you. I see literally no negatives there. It will only make your experience here better.


Huh, so I have to lose out. I don't recall ever doing anything really too bad. And if people flame me, I think they should be banned. They broke the rules, they should take a several day time out. That is how people learn.
How are you losing out? Again, I really don't understand your rational with this particular line of debate.

Also, I do ban people who flame you. I WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AT ALL. Why don't you think that's a good thing?



This feature, I like it, when it is used against people who deserve it, not people who don't do anything.
What? That's the whole point. You decide who deserves it.

  • 12.14.2011 8:05 PM PDT

Because his posts can still be read? It's definitely stupid that someone would be able to be censored entirely. Like I said, everyone should grow up. This is a godamn gaming website, for Christ's sake, we don't need to block people entirely. That's just -blam!- retarded.
Posted by: coolmike699
I like to interact with everyone on the forums. I find many people here seems smart. But, I know some people need to learn some self control. That can be taught through bans, and some people need a few to be reminded to not be so "arrogant".

This feature IS a GOOD idea, but you guys want to twist it so instead of dealing with trolls, spammers, etc (like only blocking 1 post and reporting it), you guys want to completely remove someone off the forums, for NO REASON other than "eh I don't agree with them".

That is NOT a good community, that is one that is not willing to accept new members, forums cliques, and isolates itself. I <3 this community but some people need to learn to respect fellow members.

The ignore feature does not teach respect, it does not remove any problems, it just masks them. There will still be pessimistic people and the same grudges. [/quote]

Thinking a user is annoying is not being "arrogant".

Again, you ignore the main point that several of us have made.

What is the difference between clicking "ignore user" and saying to myself "Oh look, another Ken post, scroll down" and ignoring you that way? And why wouldn't you want people who would normally attack or flame you to just ignore you?

  • 12.14.2011 8:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I bet if a majority of the forum ignored you, your threads got no replies, and you never were part of any discussions, you would not want to be part of Bungie.net anymore. I doubt it will be that serious, BUT it can be pretty bad if enough people block you out.

Don't give them a reason to ignore you?

If this feature was added to Bungie.net. I want it to be tracked based on use and how many ignores get for people who did not break any rules in the code of conduct, and a system will un-ignore people who don't do anything wrong.
Being annoying isn't against the CoC, if people get blocked for being annoying or for any matter then it's their fault. I sincerely doubt that anyone who gets ignored didn't do something to set it off.

I'll throw your ignore tracking system on the ground, I'm not a part of your system! <- Example of an annoying post that would be ignore worthy.

  • 12.14.2011 8:06 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: evilcam
If people already skip over my posts then why is it such a "big deal" for people to block all my posts. This feature is obviously not needed if people already have the capabilities to skip over all my posts.
That is not what this is about. Its about letting everyone self censor themselves, by giving the site the ability to remind itself that all of us can ignore things we don't like. So what if that translates over to a few users? In the end, those situations will be few and far in between. I doubt most people would use it solely to ignore some guy they don't like and nothing else. And again, how is that bad? Its just less crap we all have to deal with.

I'll still see and read and contemplate your replies Ken. I'd imagine the vast majority of us will. So what if a few people who only reply to you negatively will no longer do so?


I really don't like how I can never participate with some people in discussions ever again if this is made.It will be sad even if we are not the best of friends.

But, you seem to be for this so YOU don't have to deal with people who break the rules. Is that really fair to me? I try to be nice to people here, people are rude to me for no reason. So you want instead of dealing with the problem, hide it?

Becuase that is why you want this, to hide the flaming instead of dealing with it. I appreciate what you and the other mods do but thats not really fair.

And, there will always be people flaming other people. Some Zealous people may deactivate the feature JUST to flame another user.

But IDK how this will go. I just don;t believe in what this is about. If I get this feature, I will only ignore people who break rules, not for disagreements.

But this probably won;t happen becuase it really isn't Necessary and probably a pain to properly ad.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:09 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:07 PM PDT

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

WAIT. How often is it there is a user so annoying that we want to ignore them?

I think I already asked this question...

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: evilcam
If people already skip over my posts then why is it such a "big deal" for people to block all my posts. This feature is obviously not needed if people already have the capabilities to skip over all my posts.
That is not what this is about. Its about letting everyone self censor themselves, by giving the site the ability to remind itself that all of us can ignore things we don't like. So what if that translates over to a few users? In the end, those situations will be few and far in between. I doubt most people would use it solely to ignore some guy they don't like and nothing else. And again, how is that bad? Its just less crap we all have to deal with.

I'll still see and read and contemplate your replies Ken. I'd imagine the vast majority of us will. So what if a few people who only reply to you negatively will no longer do so?


I really don't like how I can never participate with some people in discussions ever again if this is made.It will be sad even if we are not the best of friends.

But, you seem to be for this so YOU don't have to deal with people who break the rules. Is that really fair to me? I try to be nice to people here, people are rude to me for no reason. So you want instead of dealing with the problem, hide it?

Becuase that is why you want this, to hide the flaming instead of dealing with it. I appreciate what you and the other mods do but thats not really fair.

And, there will always be people flaming other people. Some Zealous people may deactivate the feature JUST to flame another user.
Strawman. I'm not in favor of this solely because I'd no longer have to deal with the problems that have always existed on this site. I'm in favor of this because there will no longer even be a problem. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Its not hiding the problem. Its completely negating a massive portion of the problem entirely.

  • 12.14.2011 8:09 PM PDT

A lot of this discussion has become about individuals losing their right to speak. It is not about that at all. The way daz writes it, it would be on an individual basis. If one person can't see your posts on the forum then who cares? Two people block you? Meh. No big deal.

The issue becomes legit when a whole bunch of people are hiding your posts, but that is not a fault in the proposed system. That is a fault of the user in question. If the person acts like an idiot and nobody wants to hear it, the community (or chunks of it) isn't taking away his right to speak...they are exercising their right not to hear it.

Edit: As an aside, Rokit's point about an expiration date is valid. It gives the user in question time to change their way, and allows the individual who did the blocking the opportunity to let that person back into their good graces.


[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:13 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:10 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?


Posted by: spartain ken 15
I bet if a majority of the forum ignored you, your threads got no replies, and you never were part of any discussions, you would not want to be part of Bungie.net anymore. I doubt it will be that serious, BUT it can be pretty bad if enough people block you out.


Want to know a secret? The replies I get for my posts here on the forums are few and far between outside of private groups, yet I still come here and I still take part in discussion. Ironically people are replying to you left in right here and you're worried about people ignore you. Perhaps I should be the one worried, eh?

If this feature was added to Bungie.net. I want it to be tracked based on use and how many ignores get for people who did not break any rules in the code of conduct, and a system will un-ignore people who don't do anything wrong.
I already outlined a system previously that would work like a queue which ignores would expire after a certain length of time with the option to renew if you wanted. It would allow people to give everyone a second chance if they wanted or if they simply forgot.

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  • 12.14.2011 8:10 PM PDT

Apparently often.
Posted by: Xplode441
I'll throw your ignore tracking system on the ground, I'm not a part of your system! <- Example of an annoying post that would be ignore worthy.

Posted by: Chalupa King117
WAIT. How often is it there is a user so annoying that we want to ignore them?

I think I already asked this question...

  • 12.14.2011 8:11 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
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the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

I wouldn't really use this feature. It's easy enough to just ignore people's posts which are annoying without having B.Net do it for me.
If the thread is complete -blam!-, I'll just go back to the forum topics and choose another one. It's not that hard.

The problem doesn't seem to be entirely with the person who is posting annoying things, but also with the people who look at it, are annoyed, but simply can't stop themselves from responding - leading to conflicts between them.

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Posted by: Chalupa King117
WAIT. How often is it there is a user so annoying that we want to ignore them?

I think I already asked this question...
We discussed this two pages back.

  • 12.14.2011 8:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I try to be nice to people here, people are rude to me for no reason.

Maybe they don't like your attitude or posting style?
Then there are people who just won't like you, that's when you get some hater blockers and that's what this tool will be.

  • 12.14.2011 8:12 PM PDT

See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?

Exactly.
Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud
A lot of this discussion has become about individuals losing their right to speak. It is not about that at all. The way daz writes it, it would be on an individual basis. If one person can't see your posts on the forum then who cares? Two people block you? Meh. No big deal.

The issue becomes legit when a whole bunch of people are hiding your posts, but that is not a fault in the proposed system. That is a fault of the user in question. If the person acts like an idiot and nobody wants to hear it, the community (or chunks of it) isn't taking away his right to speak...they are exercising their right not to hear it.


  • 12.14.2011 8:12 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Chalupa King117
WAIT. How often is it there is a user so annoying that we want to ignore them?

I think I already asked this question...


Some people here are willing to block people really fast if they could. But I tried making my point how it doesn't make sense, and I understand why people want this feature.

We have not really needed this feature and we don't really need it. It may cut out a few things here and there but the idea of being ignored for no reason kind of irritates me.

I don;t mind if people ignore my posts but I think people should be able to SEE my posts and choose to ignore it or not, NOT just ignore and my posts are wiped away on the forums.

But, I am seeing how this thread is playing out and what ideas people have.

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Posted by: ctjl96
See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?

Exactly.
Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud
A lot of this discussion has become about individuals losing their right to speak. It is not about that at all. The way daz writes it, it would be on an individual basis. If one person can't see your posts on the forum then who cares? Two people block you? Meh. No big deal.

The issue becomes legit when a whole bunch of people are hiding your posts, but that is not a fault in the proposed system. That is a fault of the user in question. If the person acts like an idiot and nobody wants to hear it, the community (or chunks of it) isn't taking away his right to speak...they are exercising their right not to hear it.


What? How are we deciding who belongs and who doesn't? If this is a per-user toggle, then its only individuals ignoring individuals. As I've said, I'll never ignore anyone, so at least I'll still always see what everyone has to say. All this will do is make it so people don't have to be told not to feed the trolls every five minutes.

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Posted by: ctjl96
See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?

Exactly.
It's not our right to choose who is in this community, but that's not what this feature will enable us to do, it will allow us to decide who we associate with, which is fully our right.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:18 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:16 PM PDT

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the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

The only thing I don't understand is if you block someone's posts, and they play an important role in a thread, that thread won't make any sense to someone reading it?

  • 12.14.2011 8:16 PM PDT


Posted by: ctjl96
See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?

Exactly.


That was my point. Nobody will be kicked out of the BNet community. They can be kicked out of individual users BNet experience, which has no adverse effect on the Blockee and allows for a better experience for the Blocker.

If somebody ends up getting blocked by a large portion of the community, it is their own fault. Consider it rehab or prison or whatever you want to call it. These institutions exist in society for a reason, and once their time is served society welcomes them back as long as they no longer mess up.

As with prison though, there will always be those who will never welcome the person back, but hey, that's life...



Using a prison analogy probably didn't help my argument for this feature, but hey, it get's the point across.

  • 12.14.2011 8:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Domi 233
The only thing I don't understand is if you block someone's posts, and they play an important role in a thread, that thread won't make any sense to someone reading it?

What if, and I'm stretching myself here. If the user who is blocked is quoted, then the quote of their's is simply collapsed such as a post that has gotten too many reports and you can uncollapse it to view it and participate in the discussion if you want or you can not.

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Posted by: Domi 233
The only thing I don't understand is if you block someone's posts, and they play an important role in a thread, that thread won't make any sense to someone reading it?
Well then you should unblock that person to see what's going on.

If the person is active enough that the unblocking and reblocking become tedious then people just won't bother, due to them being a active contributing part of the community.

  • 12.14.2011 8:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Domi 233
The only thing I don't understand is if you block someone's posts, and they play an important role in a thread, that thread won't make any sense to someone reading it?

The ideal system being discussed would only minimize their posts, not completely remove them. So you'd be able to click a button to reveal their post if you so chose to.

At least that's what I'm pulling for.

  • 12.14.2011 8:20 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

But, you seem to be for this so YOU don't have to deal with people who break the rules. Is that really fair to me? I try to be nice to people here, people are rude to me for no reason. So you want instead of dealing with the problem, hide it?

Becuase that is why you want this, to hide the flaming instead of dealing with it. I appreciate what you and the other mods do but thats not really fair.


You wouldn't have to deal with it either. The flaming wouldn't be "hidden", it wouldn't exist.

So, basically, you want people to see you. Even if they don't want to, even if they don't like you, even if they would already ignore you and not respond. Why?

  • 12.14.2011 8:20 PM PDT


Posted by: evilcam
As I've said, I'll never ignore anyone


As great as I think this idea is, moderators should not be allowed to utilize it. The reasons are obvious.

Of course, on that backup account that you and the other ninjas surely have, you can take full advantage.

  • 12.14.2011 8:21 PM PDT