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In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: evilcam

Posted by: ctjl96
See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?

Exactly.
Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud
A lot of this discussion has become about individuals losing their right to speak. It is not about that at all. The way daz writes it, it would be on an individual basis. If one person can't see your posts on the forum then who cares? Two people block you? Meh. No big deal.

The issue becomes legit when a whole bunch of people are hiding your posts, but that is not a fault in the proposed system. That is a fault of the user in question. If the person acts like an idiot and nobody wants to hear it, the community (or chunks of it) isn't taking away his right to speak...they are exercising their right not to hear it.


What? How are we deciding who belongs and who doesn't? If this is a per-user toggle, then its only individuals ignoring individuals. As I've said, I'll never ignore anyone, so at least I'll still always see what everyone has to say. All this will do is make it so people don't have to be told not to feed the trolls every five minutes.


Even if you don't agree with someone, I find seeing the opposing views gives me some insight.

But this won;t stop flaming, and is in no way can be used as a way to prevent much flaming. People are going to be jerks to other people, it is the internet.

But, that is why we have moderators and a ban system. To help let people know NOT to act like that or they suffer the consequences.

But when you have one guy ignore someone, then another, then another, then another, soon you can have a lot of people (the community). I could see this being used to shun people, yep probably people will make a shun list, totally see it happen.

But oh well, many people are for this. If it happens, hopefully it won;t be that bad.

  • 12.14.2011 8:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
But when you have one guy ignore someone, then another, then another, then another, soon you can have a lot of people (the community). I could see this being used to shun people, yep probably people will make a shun list, totally see it happen.
To be fair we can make shun lists now and there will be no difference.

  • 12.14.2011 8:23 PM PDT

My point lies here.
Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud
The issue becomes legit when a whole bunch of people are hiding your posts, but that is not a fault in the proposed system. That is a fault of the user in question. If the person acts like an idiot and nobody wants to hear it, the community (or chunks of it) isn't taking away his right to speak...they are exercising their right not to hear it.

lolno

Say there are 100 users that regular this forum. Say, out of those 100, 30-40 of them dislike SK. This debate is focused primarily around SK simply because of this reason; many people dislike what he has to say. Anyway, that's 40% of everyone in this forum: little less than half. Say they all go and block him.

Being very general, as the users here post at different rates and such, we could say that 40% of everyone in any given thread would be unable to see SK's posts. This means that he cannot interact with almost half of the people in a thread. I don't really think that's fair. If people seriously can't see someone post without flaming them, then there's a problem in that user, not the one being flamed.

Why do you all not understand this? It's simple maturity. If you really can't stop yourself from attacking them because they're "too annoying", then you've got some growing up to do.
Posted by: evilcam

  • 12.14.2011 8:24 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud
If somebody ends up getting blocked by a large portion of the community, it is their own fault. Consider it rehab or prison or whatever you want to call it.


There is a word I want to call it, but it is blocked by the profanity filter.

  • 12.14.2011 8:24 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?


Posted by: spartain ken 15
But this won;t stop flaming, and is in no way can be used as a way to prevent much flaming. People are going to be jerks to other people, it is the internet.

And this system would allow you to ignore those who flame you, so while it won't stop it from happening it would stop you from seeing it while you report it.

  • 12.14.2011 8:24 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: spartain ken 15
But this won;t stop flaming, and is in no way can be used as a way to prevent much flaming. People are going to be jerks to other people, it is the internet.

That's where the ignore feature comes in, ignore the jerks.

But, that is why we have moderators and a ban system. To help let people know NOT to act like that or they suffer the consequences.
The point is to make the decision to ignore the person yourself, not waiting for a moderator to evaluate him and decide if he needs a ban/warning.

But when you have one guy ignore someone, then another, then another, then another, soon you can have a lot of people (the community). I could see this being used to shun people, yep probably people will make a shun list, totally see it happen.
Good, that person probably deserved it. How many people would listen to someone on the internet if they made a thread called, "ignore this user!"

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Posted by: Xplode441
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The only thing I don't understand is if you block someone's posts, and they play an important role in a thread, that thread won't make any sense to someone reading it?

What if, and I'm stretching myself here. If the user who is blocked is quoted, then the quote of their's is simply collapsed such as a post that has gotten too many reports and you can uncollapse it to view it and participate in the discussion if you want or you can not.
I'd advise against blocking everything. Especially quotes. Perhaps collapsing quotes might work, but I still don't think it would work that well. I'd say this point of contention is the second best argument to not add this feature. The first of course is all the other, more utilitarian things that I think we'd all rather see first.

Another thing I'd like to add to the discussion here is a compromise. What if, this was added along with some of the social media tack ons that a lot of you seem to want? Such as, you can get a "like" button if you also accept an ignore button? The two kind of go hand in hand after all. Or other potential compromises?

I'd also like once again to stress that there needs to be an automated sunset on ignores. It should not be permanent. They should be reset periodically.

  • 12.14.2011 8:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: ctjl96
Say there are 100 users that regular this forum. Say, out of those 100, 30-40 of them dislike SK. This debate is focused primarily around SK simply because of this reason; many people dislike what he has to say. Anyway, that's 40% of everyone in this forum: little less than half. Say they all go and block him.

That doesn't even fit in this situation. SK15 frequents the Flood and the Community, maybe other forums too. There's much more than 100 users, and there are definitely not that large groups of users that dislike him.

  • 12.14.2011 8:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: evilcam

They should be reset periodically.


Yeah, that would actually work.

  • 12.14.2011 8:28 PM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud
If somebody ends up getting blocked by a large portion of the community, it is their own fault. Consider it rehab or prison or whatever you want to call it.
There is a word I want to call it, but it is blocked by the profanity filter.
H-E-Double hockey sticks?

  • 12.14.2011 8:28 PM PDT

lolyeah let's ignore the topic at hand and point out flaws in my already--blam!- analogy.

I would like to know how this feature is not indicative of lack of self-control and/or disappointing immaturity. I'm rather optimistic; I'll listen.
Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: ctjl96
Say there are 100 users that regular this forum. Say, out of those 100, 30-40 of them dislike SK. This debate is focused primarily around SK simply because of this reason; many people dislike what he has to say. Anyway, that's 40% of everyone in this forum: little less than half. Say they all go and block him.

That doesn't even fit in this situation. SK15 frequents the Flood and the Community, maybe other forums too. There's much more than 100 users, and there are definitely not that large groups of users that dislike him.

  • 12.14.2011 8:30 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Posted by: evilcam
I'd also like once again to stress that there needs to be an automated sunset on ignores. It should not be permanent. They should be reset periodically.

Like I suggest once before, ignores could run on a 30 day window with 7 day period prior to expiration to review and renew an ignore on your list.

Then again I'm not fully against ignores expiring completely I suppose.

  • 12.14.2011 8:31 PM PDT


Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9
The psychological thought process of a spammer is very similar to that of a criminal, it is to cause harm as well a get a reaction for their "work".


The guy who stole my GPS back in May dosen't give a flying -blam!- what I think about him. He just cares about the money that the pawn shop will offer him for it.

No, the thought process of a spammer is more like that of a bully. They like to see the damage they do.
I guess I should have been more specific, it really depends on the crime.

  • 12.14.2011 8:32 PM PDT


Posted by: ctjl96


It isn't about being unable to restrain oneself from attacking or flaming another member. It is about excluding somebody from a conversation (but only from YOUR end of the conversation, everybody else hears them fine). We all know people in real life that annoy the hell out of you and butt into every conversation. Nobody likes that person. In a perfect world, you could mute them for a short time until they become less abrasive. Well, BNet could be that perfect world.

Oh, and as far as I remember (16 or so pages ago), Ken was the one who made this thread about Ken.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:33 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:32 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
But, you seem to be for this so YOU don't have to deal with people who break the rules. Is that really fair to me? I try to be nice to people here, people are rude to me for no reason. So you want instead of dealing with the problem, hide it?
Wouldn't it be beneficial though? If you're being blocked by a known jerk, you (or anyone else in the same position) wouldn't have to see their remarks -- because they cannot see you. What's there to miss about a jerk? Nothing.

Becuase that is why you want this, to hide the flaming instead of dealing with it. I appreciate what you and the other mods do but thats not really fair. I'm sure Achronos would frown tremendously upon his moderators blocking users... because well, they wouldn't be able to do their job if they can't see the post. And that's just silly.

And, there will always be people flaming other people. Some Zealous people may deactivate the feature JUST to flame another user.You expect some people to act like children all the time; they have the tools they need, there's no reason they would "deactivate" it for the sole purpose to flame you. Stop acting as if the community is out to get you.

But IDK how this will go. I just don;t believe in what this is about. If I get this feature, I will only ignore people who break rules, not for disagreements. Most rule breakers (spammers, shock-link posters, etc.) get banned long before you may see them again - and most of them are on alternate accounts who will likely toss it out after using it. So realistically it would be a wasted effort.

But this probably won;t happen becuase it really isn't Necessary and probably a pain to properly ad. This entire thread -- hopefully you've read it all -- is proof that a feature such as this is absolutely required, and from the looks of it, Achronos seems to be in favor.

I don't think this would be a "pain" to add, sure it may take a month or so to design and write, but remember, their getting payed by the hour (I presume) to do their job -- and improving the experience for the community is a large part of it.

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lol to ken being "That guy"
I reallly didn't want to read through the 16 pages of posts so i don't know if this has been stated, but if you ignore someone it should be a two way street. If i ignore or whatever some user for, lets say a week, not only will i not see his posts, but he should not be able to view mine either.

i think this would make people somewhat more cautious in who and how many people they decide to block because the only reason anyone posts is to have it read and to get replies for the most part. this SHOULD/COULD stop the echo thing that was being talked about earlier because it would discourage mass ignores.

i guess this is just one of those things you just have to implement and change it as it goes. and even that seems like a huge stretch. it seems like it would require a lot of extra stuff to run smoothly.

as far as my opinion i wouldn't use this. seeing a John Ciena or other bannable thread or two just makes me laugh for the most part. as far as i know trolls/flamers/spammers/whatever are just a part of the community and come with the bungie experience.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:43 PM PST]

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Posted by: ctjl96
lolyeah let's ignore the topic at hand and point out flaws in my already--blam!- analogy.

I would like to know how this feature is not indicative of lack of self-control and/or disappointing immaturity. I'm rather optimistic; I'll listen.
I agree that its indicative of a lack of self- control. That's the only reason why it has a chance that it could work. People already demonstrate the inability to self filter now, so why not give them a noticeable reminder? This won't make anyone a better user, but it will remind people how to not be a worse user.

  • 12.14.2011 8:34 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
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the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

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Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Posted by: evilcam
Another thing I'd like to add to the discussion here is a compromise. What if, this was added along with some of the social media tack ons that a lot of you seem to want? Such as, you can get a "like" button if you also accept an ignore button? The two kind of go hand in hand after all. Or other potential compromises?
I can't see the like button happening. Achronos does not seem to favour things such as this (Friends List and such).
Or maybe I'm wrong.

  • 12.14.2011 8:36 PM PDT

And for just reason. As if this whole idea wasn't conceived (mostly) for his sake. You can't even argue that.

Anyway, I understand that everyone else would be able to see them fine. Here, however, where this is a gathering place for the Bungie Community, everyone should have a fair say in everything. They shouldn't be able to be excluded from conversations for any reason at all unless they have broken the rules in some manner.
Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud

Posted by: ctjl96


It isn't about being unable to restrain oneself from attacking or flaming another member. It is about excluding somebody from a conversation (but only from YOUR end of the conversation, everybody else hears them fine). We all know people in real life that annoy the hell out of you and butt into every conversation. Nobody likes that person. In a perfect world, you could mute them for a short time until they become less abrasive. Well, BNet could be that perfect world.

Oh, and as far as I remember (16 or so pages ago), Ken was the one who made this thread about Ken.

  • 12.14.2011 8:37 PM PDT

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I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

Posted by: ctjl96
See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?
Stop acting as though this feature evicts them from the community, because it doesn't. The end-user isn't going anywhere. No one would know the user would be blocked; any user -- new or old -- would see the post, while others wouldn't see it at all.

  • 12.14.2011 8:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: ctjl96
lolyeah let's ignore the topic at hand and point out flaws in my already--blam!- analogy.

I would like to know how this feature is not indicative of lack of self-control and/or disappointing immaturity. I'm rather optimistic; I'll listen.

It's not the flaws in your analogy that I was going after, it was the flaw in the argument about being shut out by the community.
There's no way that enough of the community would shut you out so that you couldn't create a thread or participate in a discussion, if it did happen then you probably deserved it.

  • 12.14.2011 8:38 PM PDT

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A like button is like the equivalent to quoting in my opinion. It would work, but I necessarily wouldn't use it.

And a friends list would also be a nice addition.

  • 12.14.2011 8:38 PM PDT

LOL BUT THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION

None of us, not one, can go "herpderp lolz u dersirvd it". Not our place.
Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: ctjl96
lolyeah let's ignore the topic at hand and point out flaws in my already--blam!- analogy.

I would like to know how this feature is not indicative of lack of self-control and/or disappointing immaturity. I'm rather optimistic; I'll listen.

It's not the flaws in your analogy that I was going after, it was the flaw in the argument about being shut out by the community.
There's no way that enough of the community would shut you out so that you couldn't create a thread or participate in a discussion, if it did happen then you probably deserved it.

Yes, I understand this, and I fail to get why you think I do not. Mainly, I'm referring to people in Ken's position, where the first user they'd block would probably be him.
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Posted by: ctjl96
See, guys, we can't have -blam!- like this. You're basically saying "this guy is so annoying, we don't want him to be a part of our Community". Since when did it become our right to decide who belongs or who does not?
Stop acting as though this feature evicts them from the community, because it doesn't. The end-user isn't going anywhere. No one would know the user would be blocked; any user -- new or old -- would see the post, while others wouldn't see it at all.

  • 12.14.2011 8:41 PM PDT

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

Ignoring the 16 pages of quality, well-typed discussion: shouldn't it be us to tolerate those who annoy?

  • 12.14.2011 8:42 PM PDT

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.

Posted by: ctjl96
Anyway, I understand that everyone else would be able to see them fine. Here, however, where this is a gathering place for the Bungie Community, everyone should have a fair say in everything. They shouldn't be able to be excluded from conversations for any reason at all unless they have broken the rules in some manner.
You accept the argument yet you reiterate the same thing that's being argued against; that is, "I understand that everyone else would be able to see them fine." Now, once again, no one is being excluded from any conversations, please stop acting as such. Blocking someone doesn't block them from the website completely; and Bungie.net doesn't block them. Everyone else who hasn't blocked said user can still interact and communicate with the user in every way shape or form.

It's not the person being blocked, it's the person doing the blocking that's being excluded from discussion, if you actually think about it.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:45 PM PST]

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