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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: spartain ken 15Why did you quote me if you were just going to say the same thing you've been saying since page 1?

I understand this is a big deal, and I understand why Achronos is supposedly monitoring this thread. That's why I suggested we have these same discussions (while the big man watches) on other important topics.

  • 12.19.2011 10:34 AM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
Truthfully, I really don't see any reason why people can't just not respond to a topic.


It's hard to argue with yourself. Lead by example.

  • 12.19.2011 10:36 AM PDT
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I hate you unless I'm drunk.

You know, if certain people are so worried about getting ignored....


Maybe they should put more time, thought and effort into what they say?

  • 12.19.2011 10:37 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
So people proving your idiocy is being rude? Hmmm....


Proving my idiocy?

I want to adress this tight here and now.

Saying that is attacking the user, not talking about what is said. many people here do not understand the diffrerence.

Saying "I am stupid" is flaming, saying my idea is flawed and reasons stated why it is bad is NOT flaming and helpful to the discussion.

I also don't feel I am mentally "impaired" in any way and oit kind of hurts my feelings.

it is rude and after 2 years of being a active memeber here I am sick of it.I think this attitude shows this feature wouldn't fix any problems, they will always be there. All we are doing is trying to hide it and I don't really know how effiective it will be.
Ken, what you don't see can't hurt you...You have heard of this no?


Yes

But, people shouldn't be flamming other users in the first place. It is not that big of an isssue. It is just a few people who do it and always get away with it. I can see a few users who have said rude things that never get banned somehow.

I find it annoying but I don't want to ignore users or be ignored. That directly limits my abilites to post on the forums in multiple ways.

I know many people want to BLOCK, BLOCK, BLOCK but no one else seems to consider how if they were ignored by many people or ignored many people, how different the forums would become.

  • 12.19.2011 10:37 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Truthfully, I really don't see any reason why people can't just not respond to a topic.


It's hard to argue with yourself. Lead by example.


I don't see what you are saying. OP was doing something illegal and I was giving him advice to prevent the ban that I guess still happened.

I ignore many threads and I do not normally adress flaming (only in threads like this). It really is not hard and that is the beauty of forums, you can make and discuss anything you want (within reason). If you don't like a topic, move on.

  • 12.19.2011 10:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Shut your hole, ED. Ken is right. If he bothers you so much just ignore him.

  • 12.19.2011 10:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Thank you, it is saying things like like this:
Posted by: {RETRACTED USERNAME}
Once again, your inferior logic shines through once again.

That makes the thread go bad.
Ken that's not rude, hell it's only borderling snarky.

No where near what constitutes as flaming.
In fact, if that's what you define rude then you're probably being quite rude yourself.


Here's an example, let's say we're discussing the colour of a pen:

Everyone else : "This pen is Red."
You : "No it's purple."
Everyone else : "Comparing it to these two-"
You : "NO IT'S PURPLE."
Everyone else : "But if you look at the label ..."
You : "PURPLE! PURPLE! PURPLE! PURPLE! PURPLE!"


Now regardless of the colour of the pen you're not being too constructive, we get it, you think the pen's purple. But repeating that continuously like we're idiots isn't very constructive at all and by your definition it's rather rude, even borderline flaming.

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Posted by: bobcast
I hate you unless I'm drunk.

The only issue I can sort of see with this is, the threads that pop up asking questions..

The thread is more likely to be bumped more often because maybe the answer has been posted already, but you have the person ignored.
So you post it.

Then again, this wouldn't be a problem if more people PM'd the OP instead of posting.
And this stuff happens anyway because everyone feels they need to be the one to answer the questions. So... really...


Nothing would change.

People would post for the sake of being heard and seen, not to try and be helpful.

  • 12.19.2011 10:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: MURDUR 587
Since we're talking about personal opinions, how does your analogy actually work? The stated facts was the the pen was red and Ken believed it to be purple, which is such a drastically different colour to red that he's obviously wrong.

I don't see that happening in this thread. I see Ken sharing his valid, and not blatantly "wrong", opinion (over and over, mind) and everybody else sharing theirs.

For your analogy to work the colour of the pen would have to be in question. Nobody can objectively say what it is but everbody has their own personal opinion. In that situation Ken would be saying it's crimson and "Everyone else", as you put it, would be saying red.

Even that barely works but it's much closer to the truth than your original version.

  • 12.19.2011 10:55 AM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: Yax
Posted by: MURDUR 587
Since we're talking about personal opinions, how does your analogy actually work? The stated facts was the the pen was red and Ken believed it to be purple, which is such a drastically different colour to red that he's obviously wrong.

I don't see that happening in this thread. I see Ken sharing his valid, and not blatantly "wrong", opinion (over and over, mind) and everybody else sharing theirs.

For your analogy to work the colour of the pen would have to be in question. Nobody can objectively say what it is but everbody has their own personal opinion. In that situation Ken would be saying it's crimson and "Everyone else", as you put it, would be saying red.

Even that barely works but it's much closer to the truth than your original version.
The idea is more that we're using several different perspectives on the matter and sharing ideas while Ken is just repeating himself over and over.

Not that we're providing "more valid opinions" persay.


The pen could be pink or blue or green, the colour doesn't really matter in the example, but if you want it to be more fitting then yeah the pen is red and we're arguing over which shade.

[Edited on 12.19.2011 11:00 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Yax
Shut your hole, ED. Ken is right. If he bothers you so much just ignore him.
It seems he needs a feature in order to be able to do that.

I've expressed my displeasure about this idea multiple times and I'm relatively sure that what I'm going to say has been said already (but I'm not going to read through 29 pages...sorry) but I'd like to address what I view as the strongest point for the system. That is, that users, through exercising the bare minimum of self moderation can just ignore others anyway (not read their posts, not respond to their posts, not interact with them in any way shape or form). Going by that argument, then, an ignore feature is just a continuation of things that naturally occur already.

It's a fair argument but one that I cannot agree with. We should not be making it easier for people to ignore one another on this forum. Just because it can be done in some form now does not mean that it is right to implement a tool which will make it easier. Shockingly (and I mean really shockingly) Ken has eloquently provided a majority of the reasoning I believe as to why this feature shouldn't be implemented. I cannot stress enough how wrong (imo) it would be for users to have the ability to remove certain parts of the community they simply didn't want to see. I'm well aware the the webteam has tried to make this community taliored towards the individual; towards promoting self moderation and a community reflective of thier interests. I beg you not to promote that goal by implementing a feature like this.

Just some thoughts that didn't really fit into the above paragraphs...

-Promoting this feature as a way to prevent "flame wars" is admitting that a majority of users would be incapable of engaging with others with different opinions rationally.

-Furthermore by the amount of people which disagree with one another on these forums (and in this even in this thread) we have seen that people in fact don't want to ignore those they disagree with but would rather have a public debate and try to embarrass one another (as silly as that is).

  • 12.19.2011 11:06 AM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: TTL Snatch250

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Truthfully, I really don't see any reason why people can't just not respond to a topic.


It's hard to argue with yourself. Lead by example.


I don't see what you are saying. OP was doing something illegal and I was giving him advice to prevent the ban that I guess still happened.



What I'm saying is that you lack the ability to ignore an obvious violation of the rules. Which so far, is your only solution to the problem with the forums. How do you expect every single user of Bungie.net to ignore people like that, if you cant manage to do it yourself? Feeding the trolls is as bad as being a troll.

Now imagine that you had that person blocked for a similar offence. You wouldn't have posted in that thread, because you wouldn't have seen it. It would be locked, the thread author banned, and everything continues just fine.

I don't see whose feelings get hurt here, or whose experience was made worse because of it. I only see positives. My experience is better.

I also cannot see the downside of the people who flame you, ignoring you. I have seen you post about people not considering your feelings when they make a comment about 5 times now. If the bullies cant see you, they cant bully you. If you ignore the bullies, they cant hurt your feelings any more. Your experience gets better, since you would only be dealing with people who aren't bullies, and the bullies only get to deal with each other.

Sounds perfect to me. Am I missing something?

  • 12.19.2011 11:08 AM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Once again, this topic is just about one specific user, instead of the topic at hand. Frankly, I think this is the best evidence that we could make use with an ignore feature. A good percentage of people in this thread don't seem to be capable of NOT talking about a specific user.

I guess this has gone as far as its going to go. Opinions have been given, thoughts on this or that have been contemplated. The Webteam has what they need, as do the rest of us. Its been nothing but repeated and labored points for about 10 pages, with another 20 or so almost solely about how Ken doesn't like this idea or people don't like him.

This is done as far as I'm concerned. I've asked multiple times that we stop focusing on specific users. I won't ask again.

  • 12.19.2011 11:12 AM PDT

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I don't like the idea of a perm ignore option, but I do like the idea of a temporary ignore option. 'Ignore "xxxxxx" for 1 month'

  • 12.19.2011 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: JoeSki73
I don't like the idea of a perm ignore option, but I do like the idea of a temporary ignore option. 'Ignore "xxxxxx" for 1 month'
A certain quota of users you can ignore per (week/month/year) with an expiring duration (with limited options in regards to the ability to repeatedly ignore someone) is an idea which I could agree with more so than the one currently being proposed.

  • 12.19.2011 11:23 AM PDT

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I don't like the idea of a perm ignore option, but I do like the idea of a temporary ignore option. 'Ignore "xxxxxx" for 1 month'

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Posted by: evilcam
Once again, this topic is just about one specific user, instead of the topic at hand. Frankly, I think this is the best evidence that we could make use with an ignore feature. A good percentage of people in this thread don't seem to be capable of NOT talking about a specific user.

I guess this has gone as far as its going to go. Opinions have been given, thoughts on this or that have been contemplated. The Webteam has what they need, as do the rest of us. Its been nothing but repeated and labored points for about 10 pages, with another 20 or so almost solely about how Ken doesn't like this idea or people don't like him.

This is done as far as I'm concerned. I've asked multiple times that we stop focusing on specific users. I won't ask again.


For what it's worth, it wasn't about one specific user until that one specific user decided to crusade against this idea with no other basis or argument than the notion that he would be blocked by many, many people.

  • 12.19.2011 11:32 AM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

I also think ignoring should have a defined sunset. I agree that perhaps a dropdown menu with an "ignore for 1 month, 6 months, 1 year" set of options would be better than a permanent ignore. Perhaps multiple options wouldn't work, because I doubt people would ignore for a shorter duration than the longest option. I still think they're worth a shot though.

I agree that it should not completely hide ignored users. It should collapse ignored replies just as the report button collapses them, but it would not require a certain threshold to collapse. Just one would suffice, as only the user who is ignoring will actually collapse it from their individual view.

Perhaps Bungie should have another site beta to test something like this.

  • 12.19.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: evilcam
I also think ignoring should have a defined sunset. I agree that perhaps a dropdown menu with an "ignore for 1 month, 6 months, 1 year" set of options would be better than a permanent ignore. Perhaps multiple options wouldn't work, because I doubt people would ignore for a shorter duration than the longest option. I still think they're worth a shot though.

I agree that it should not completely hide ignored users. It should collapse ignored replies just as the report button collapses them, but it would not require a certain threshold to collapse. Just one would suffice, as only the user who is ignoring will actually collapse it from their individual view.

Perhaps Bungie should have another site beta to test something like this.
I'm on board with the collapse vs hide, but I don't like the idea of hiding someone's posts for longer than 1 month. Maybe shorter, but not longer.

I just envision everyone going hide crazy and the forums seemingly dying. It's one thing to hide someone that is repeatedly annoying...but being able to hide peeps that just happened to miss their morning coffee is grounds for everyone on this site to be "ignored". We all get moody and have been douches from time to time.


...what if the 'report' button functioned the same (along with the same penalties for abuse) but after you have personally reported the same person 2 or 3 times you get the option for a temp ignore?

  • 12.19.2011 11:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: spartain ken 15
I would like to point out that you must be a pretty large fan to come here, make an account, and post. Calling someone a "fan boy" when posting on Bungie.net seems kind of hypocritical.
Nah. I don't think you understand. I joined the site to check out my Halo 3 stats, see the mains, and look at private groups. Plus I kept this account linked to unlock Recon in Halo 3.

I don't go around quoting Bungie Employees and Forum Ninjas and "Worshiping them." That is what you do.

I'm gonna make this my last post because this is getting off-topic.

The only reason why I still log on here is because I'm here for Private Groups and to laugh at The Flood.

It really has nothing to do with Bungie anymore and I never defended their games. I thought Halo 3 was cool but I strongly disliked Reach.

Overall I miss Halo 2's online which also wasn't perfect and balanced, but it was fun.

  • 12.19.2011 12:04 PM PDT