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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

I really hate this idea. I mean I'd be ok with content filtering, but not the blocking of individual users. Are people really that petty that they have to block all posts from someone? If you block someone it's probably because you find their posts extremely stupid; we all know that you'd be toggling the ignore function to see what stupid thing that person said today anyways.

Tolerance is a good thing; not only for other people, but for yourself. This isn't meant to be some philosophical talk here, i'm just saying how boring it would be if you ignored all the extremists on the website.

  • 12.12.2011 11:53 AM PDT

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Personally, I feel that an ignore feature would be more of a hinderance to the site than a benefit. There are a number of reasons which back up my opinion, and I would name them, but I assume they have already been mentioned in the thread. If a user's posts annoy you, just ignore their posts. Seeing their username above the post body should act as enough of a deterrent. For all you know, however, they could be providing a lot of useful information, but as you ignored them due to a post you didn't like in another thread, you've missed the content.

I guess in the end it's all down to the webteam, but I can't see myself using it. Something I would like, on the other hand, is something that makes any employee posts over 100 characters into a less garish colour. My retinae are not impressed.

  • 12.12.2011 11:54 AM PDT

I r guy who gun to teach u lesson


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: xecnalxes117
Posted by: dazarobbo
that sucks for regular users with no equivalent tool. You have no way of removing things that anger or annoy you
This is why I don't like how community members being nominated as Forum Ninjas. They think that they're the law now. No OP, you can't do that just because you find something annoying. That's you're opinion to what you think is annoying. Other people could see it as something that's not annoying. If it's spam, then I understand.
I see you as the kid who, if they had it their own way, would report every opinion you thought to be stupid. If it were like that, these forums would be terrible, because someone like you would probably report or (if your wish came true) ignore everyone you, in your opinion, find posting annoying crap
I really think you shouldn't be a forum ninja.

Edit: You'd ignore this too wouldn't you? (Rhetorical)


I agree with this in some ways, why should people be shunned (yes this is shunning) for not breaking any rules.

This is NOT how a good community should be, we should all try and be friends, not this censor people we don't like.

That attitude will ruin this community.


This.

People can change. What we're doing is filtering people. Which is plain wrong.

  • 12.12.2011 11:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Definately a concern. But playing devil's advocate to facilitate discussion:

This is a video game developer's board. A community formed around a shared form of entertainment. Shouldn't I be able to focus on the fun to the exclusion of the "divergent opinions" should I so choose? If I don't really care about learning or interacting or growing with the community, should I have to? Should the community drag me into the light so that it can grow as a whole, and is that growth positive? Or should it let me stay in darkness if I want, perhaps emphasizing the quality of those who do "stand in the light", so to speak?

Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
It encourages ignorance by facilitating it.

A real component of your argument behind hiding posts is that it would enhance a users' experience. When you ignore a poster, you literally disconnect yourself not from a subject but rather from every subject raised by a specific person. People do not post about one subject only, so you're also disconnecting yourself from a wealth of posts that may be relevant to your interests.

The issue is that you don't address the difference between what you want to see and what you need to see. A truly enhanced experience would expose us to information which would challenge and broaden our views. If we simply ignored things we found disagreeable or tasteless, we often would never learn.


Which is exactly the reason I support this idea. No necessarily in the sense that I don't want to 'grow', but just that I don't really look to B.net when it comes to learning experiences. I come here to talk about stuff with the friends I've made here over the years, and the occasional foray into the mains, nothing more. I think a tool like an ignore feature is multifaceted and appeals to users of different persuasions.

[Edited on 12.12.2011 11:58 AM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
This is a video game developer's board. A community formed around a shared form of entertainment. Shouldn't I be able to focus on the fun to the exclusion of the "divergent opinions" should I so choose? If I don't really care about learning or interacting or growing with the community, should I have to? Should the community drag me into the light so that it can grow as a whole, and is that growth positive? Or should it let me stay in darkness if I want, perhaps emphasizing the quality of those who do "stand in the light", so to speak?
Everyone is perfectly capable of ignoring posts they don't wish to see; in many ways they can remain unaware without the aid of a feature. The greatest concern I feel would emerge from instating such a feature is that it would make ignoring others a norm on these boards and virtually encourage it.
The ability to skim past posts should be allowed, for I will yield that not all posts are ideally relevant or discussion worthy. However, while a user can jump over posts, the posts still appear, and hold potential to be noticed. If an entire user were ignored, this potential to notice would be cut off.

In many ways an ignore feature disables the choice of a user to read a post. If a user is ignored, an extra effort would have to be taken to become open to a new point of view, in many ways discouraging it. However, if a post can be plainly seen, it poses equal chance of being viewed or ignored.

I don't like reducing the expectations of this community by viewing it as a video game board. Video games are themselves complex vessels of media which can perpetuate numerous ideas and cater to diverse fan communities, all with valid perspectives of the game. Shooting and blasting may not have the same poetic substance typically associated with books, but you must admit the games your company makes have dynamic elements.

  • 12.12.2011 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I dont think a whole new feature would have to be put just to ignore a post. You can do it just fine by skipping it. I dont really see the need for it.

  • 12.12.2011 11:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
You imply a level of control over Halo: Reach matchmaking that we no longer have. Or, in your vernacular, it isn't our shiznit anymore.


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An ignore feature would be beneficial to everybody, but I don't know if it's worth the web team's time.

  • 12.12.2011 11:59 AM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

I wouldn't say no to a feature like this, simply because I can understand how many people would actually find use from it.

But in all honesty, even if the feature existed, I would more than likely never actually use it. As much as I see uneducated, or idiotic people on here, posting mindless garbage or annoying replies and when reading their posts I can't help but shake my head... I still find it ridiculously simple to just laugh at them, shake my head in amusement and continue on reading other posts by other users.

So yes, their posts may appear as clutter sometimes, but to have to go to the extent to block all of their input completely? Well, it seems a bit overkill, and a tad immature. Plus, you never know when they actually might start presenting legitimate or more educated replies.

  • 12.12.2011 12:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Everyone is perfectly capable of ignoring posts they don't wish to see.
Untrue. "Flaming", insults, people falling victims of trolls, etc. are all examples of how people on the internet aren't capable of ignoring others.

  • 12.12.2011 12:10 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Hm, after reading the majority of replies now, a lot of you believe this would enhance your experience? Are you serious? By having to skip over a few posts? Hell, when I see a Spartan Helmet with flames, I won't lie... I've pretty much trained my mind to skip over it. But you know what? Sometimes I give specific members like that the benefit of the doubt, and I read their posts. And you know what? Over the span of time, it appears that here and there, they begin to offer some actual valuable discussion input.

It is extremely -blam!- sad, and pathetic when you look at the core of this concept. The very lesson it breeds, and the very state of mind that you all wish to posses here. Embracing ignorance.

Yes, it's a gaming forum. Meant for entertainment and not to have to see garbage... But the garbage you see is all based off of your own perception, and just because you dislike a user or a few of their posts should not result in making their viewing or replying audience any lesser than your own. Why? Because this concept is so infantile, so childish. It's basically saying, "If I don't want to listen to you, I don't have to!" And you might just say, "Well who cares? It's a gaming forum! I just want to have fun..." Well if you need to exercise the social principle of removing people's input completely in order to have fun, then I can't help but feel that concept mirrors some of your real-life tactics when dealing with things you don't want to accept when faced with arguments, or things you dislike hearing.

And yeah, I might be digging a tad deep on this one... But it seems to speak volumes, the amount of you that are so EASILY annoyed by other people. Sure I ignore the odd member and some of their input here and there, but I don't completely remove the consideration for further replies, and I will then proceed to read some of their other content in other topics if it seems appropriate or useful within discussion.

My point is... As I already pretty much stated... If you need to remove a specific Members input completely, because you refuse to want to ever know what they say, or to not have to see their posts anymore, well that's pretty -blam!- sad.

[Edited on 12.12.2011 12:27 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 12:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Yuke
Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Everyone is perfectly capable of ignoring posts they don't wish to see.
Untrue. "Flaming", insults, people falling victims of trolls, etc. are all examples of how people on the internet aren't capable of ignoring others.


Well then those people should be banned, maybe a little time out will teach them a lesson. If they keep flamming, they need to be banned some more becuase they didn't learn to play nice.

  • 12.12.2011 12:24 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: Helveck
Hell, when I see a Spartan Helmet with flames, I won't lie... I've pretty much trained my mind to skip over it.
You can't ignore me.

  • 12.12.2011 12:24 PM PDT

Even if they implement this feature, it doesn't mean you have to use it.

You can choose to visually ignore something, or chose to manage your forum experience by moderating your own view of the forums.

Whether I chose to just not read what you say, or not see it at all, does not affect you (the poster) in any way.

Everyone will never be happy. I enjoy having the tools to create and manage my experience.

  • 12.12.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Definately a concern. But playing devil's advocate to facilitate discussion:

This is a video game developer's board. A community formed around a shared form of entertainment. Shouldn't I be able to focus on the fun to the exclusion of the "divergent opinions" should I so choose?


Sure. If someone wants to bury themselves in their own ideals then let them. However, by excluding the community at large the opportunity to preach to the congregation is lost. I would think this is where focus on groups should be emphasized and advertised. Come to Bungie.net for the opinions of all. Create your own ministry of propaganda. I don't see how an ignore feature, if used as so thoroughly as you describe, could promote discussion at all. Once the argument becomes one-sided does it not become propaganda, so to speak?

In a less extreme case of use of the ignore feature are we not turning the main forums into cliques? Limiting user speech, even at the user level, would be a weird experience. Would we see replies from people that have ignored us? Does it break the flow of our conversations here? Would the ignore feature just show up similar to the report feature [where the post is masked]?

If I don't really care about learning or interacting or growing with the community, should I have to?

No. To me there are the rules here and the purpose of the site as seen by Bungie. To foster a community of fans and incubate the love for gaming. If you come here to not grow, not interact, or to not learn, then that is your prerogative. It isn't always the case that you get out of Bungie.net what you put in. Some folks are here for the stats and others are for the discussion. You shouldn't have to do anything here other than find something to enjoy. Else you're wasting your own time. Which is fine.

Should the community drag me into the light so that it can grow as a whole, and is that growth positive?

I'd say no. Should we try and force new users to join the community and grow? I wouldn't say force, rather "encourage." We should give users incentives, ex: Title System, to engage in discussion and community involvement.

How does the ignore feature allow folks to engage the community? Even the people they dislike? Saying you can turn off opposing opinion isn't a good way to have a healthy conversation. Lots of opportunity for elitism or cliques to form. Not that we don't have that right now. I believe we shouldn't compound the problem.

Or should it let me stay in darkness if I want, perhaps emphasizing the quality of those who do "stand in the light", so to speak?

The fallacy here is that believing that there is any place "in the light." Saying that one position of authority is the "correct" position is setting us up for elitism or cliques or worse.

I feel that a-lot of this is fairly "extreme" speculation. However, I heavily dislike the idea of an ignore feature. It is much easier to ignore someone's posts or ideas by scrolling or walking right by them.

Why find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist? Doesn't the Web Team have better things to do? Perhaps divert resources to more awesome things?

[Edited on 12.12.2011 12:36 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 12:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Yuke
Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
Everyone is perfectly capable of ignoring posts they don't wish to see.
Untrue. "Flaming", insults, people falling victims of trolls, etc. are all examples of how people on the internet aren't capable of ignoring others.
Do note I said capable, everyone has the capacity, some wish not to exercise it. My point is not invalid.

  • 12.12.2011 12:43 PM PDT

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Have you considered it from the opposite side?

You in particular seem to have quite a following of people who don't like you, for whatever reason. More than a few harass you whenever you post. If they could ignore you, a number of them probably wouldn't harass you anymore.

The fact of the matter is that "more bans" simply isn't viable. We don't have the manpower to moderate this site as effectively as we want given its population, and even if we did, it is hard to have consistent enforcement with human moderators, as everybody's definitions of "spam" is different. So, this line of thinking is an effort to find a way so we don't need moderators to worry about the little things, and essentially only have them as a SWAT team for shock site spam and the like rather than worrying if someone isn't nice to you.

So far, my opinion is that if it were done, it couldn't be done in isolation, and would have to be very, very, very carefully implemented to avoid creating an "echo chamber" by default... basically to make it so it was a backup device for users, rather than the first thing they hit when annoyed by someone. As to how to do that... well... I guess if it were easy, we would have already done it.

Keep the discussion going, though, it is very helpful.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Well then those people should be banned, maybe a little time out will teach them a lesson. If they keep flamming, they need to be banned some more becuase they didn't learn to play nice.


[Edited on 12.12.2011 12:47 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

There is only one script that I have ever considered getting and it was a script to block users. But I'm too lazy and don't care enough to do it.

However if it were built into the site I would be in complete support of it.

  • 12.12.2011 12:48 PM PDT

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Hmmm an ignore feature is a controversial issue.

The way I see it, if a user is going out of their way to block another user, then they'd probably be already ignoring their posts in the forums already. The only difference is convienience for the blocker.

This idea should be given at least a trial to see how it works and what effects - if any - it has on the community.

  • 12.12.2011 12:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
The fact of the matter is that "more bans" simply isn't viable.
I disagree entirely.

Ban everyone. Especially the mythics.



but question;
if we ignored people, would that block out their threads, or just their replies? While i find some members can post a ton of stupid replies, every once in a while there's a nice little post with some discussion value. I don't want to miss that!

[Edited on 12.12.2011 12:50 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 12:49 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: dmg04
Posted by: Achronos
The fact of the matter is that "more bans" simply isn't viable.
I disagree entirely.

Ban everyone. Especially the mythics.



but question;
if we ignored people, would that block out their threads, or just their replies? While i find some members can post a ton of stupid replies, every once in a while there's a nice little post with some discussion value. I don't want to miss that!

I say we just get rid of B.net.

  • 12.12.2011 12:51 PM PDT
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R.I.P. DeathPimp. Never Ending Respect.

"Posted by: Kickimanjaro
I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

If achronos were to ban himself, maybe Bungie.net would turn into one of those divide by zero memes.

  • 12.12.2011 12:53 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Posted by: dmg04
If achronos were to ban himself, maybe Bungie.net would turn into one of those divide by zero memes.

The black hole created would take the rest of the internet with it.

  • 12.12.2011 12:56 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Dmg, Vanert. I'm sorry... we're closing the Internet down, because people don't want to see stuff they don't like.

  • 12.12.2011 12:58 PM PDT