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I support this idea if it is implemented correctly, I can think of a few people who I would use this feature on. Also, I think it would be helpful if you could know how many people were ignoring you. Not names, since that would just provoke unwanted PMs and anger (unless you wouldn't receive PMs from blocked users), but just the overall number of people. It would both serve as a system of making one's forum experience more enjoyable while serving as feedback for those on the receiving end.

Edit: It would also be good to know if you are in effect talking to yourself, since everyone has you ignored.

[Edited on 12.12.2011 1:04 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 1:04 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

Posted by: Learn

Ignored.

  • 12.12.2011 1:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: vanert
Posted by: Learn

Ignored.


eh..., This feature has GREAT potential to be useful against spammers but I think it will also be used (alot) for non rule breaking reasons and disagreements. But if it can be done correctly like Achronos said and in a way where it doesn't create a huge division in the forums, I am okay with it. (but that seems like it would be a lot of work and it would be hard to implement it I am assuming).

  • 12.12.2011 1:11 PM PDT
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vanert says: Apparently he went to college with Stosh.
Killane says:
Stosh went to college?
Posted by: stosh
I'm a college dropout.

I can see it from both sides. Like I've said before, the "reply" function gets abused a lot too.

  • 12.12.2011 1:12 PM PDT

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glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

Do want.

  • 12.12.2011 1:14 PM PDT


Posted by: JKKIII
I only want it so I can ignore employees and moderators.
I imagine that wouldn't be allowed.

  • 12.12.2011 1:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Achronos
So far, my opinion is that if it were done, it couldn't be done in isolation, and would have to be very, very, very carefully implemented to avoid creating an "echo chamber" by default... basically to make it so it was a backup device for users, rather than the first thing they hit when annoyed by someone. As to how to do that... well... I guess if it were easy, we would have already done it.

Keep the discussion going, though, it is very helpful.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Well then those people should be banned, maybe a little time out will teach them a lesson. If they keep flamming, they need to be banned some more becuase they didn't learn to play nice.



How about using the ''this post has been reported for violating the code of conduct, expand at your own risk'' mechanic for the ''ignore'' feature.

However this time using '' Username: You have chosen to ignore this user, expand at your leisure'', instead of having the ignored user's post disappear from view like how the ban mechanics currently work.

This would prevent the ignore feature from doing serious damage if it were to have an ''echo room'' effect, which I'm assuming would mean that if I ignored someone, that same person would be ignored by everyone else?

  • 12.12.2011 1:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: vanert
Posted by: Learn

Ignored.


Not if I ignore your first.

  • 12.12.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: vanert
I can see it from both sides. Like I've said before, the "reply" function gets abused a lot too.


Not that I disagree, but that is to be expected. Its also been planned for via moderation (either reports or moderator intervention).

Add a feature and expect the worst. What I don't like is the potential it has to inhibit or limit the way in which the community interacts.

My opinion is if it ain't broke then ya don't fix it. I haven't seen anything to change my mind. I haven't been following this thread for all 8 pages either. Guess its time to backtrack.

[Edited on 12.12.2011 1:24 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 1:23 PM PDT

What happens if someone "quotes" a user that you have ignored?

  • 12.12.2011 1:29 PM PDT
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Dmg, Vanert. I'm sorry... we're closing the Internet down, because people don't want to see stuff they don't like.
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  • 12.12.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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I'll take an ignore feature.

  • 12.12.2011 1:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: vanert
Posted by: Learn

Ignored.


eh..., This feature has GREAT potential to be useful against spammers but I think it will also be used (alot) for non rule breaking reasons and disagreements. But if it can be done correctly like Achronos said and in a way where it doesn't create a huge division in the forums, I am okay with it. (but that seems like it would be a lot of work and it would be hard to implement it I am assuming).
Ken, we get it. You don't want to be excluded. But there have been countless explanations of why you wouldn't know it even if you were set as ignored by over half the people that post in this forum. Those same people, as many others have pointed out to you, would be the exact sorts of people you wouldn't want to interact with anyway.

Regarding creating divisions, meh. The community is already divided and split up, it just isn't concrete. Unless you count groups. A lot of people already avoid the main forums like the plague. I haven't seen too many people mention lurkers yet. What of them?

If you really don't want the community to be divided, then the only things I can think of that would aid in limitation of division of any nature would be any of the following:

* Limit ignoring to individual threads.
* Limit ignoring to individual forums.
* Create a time-limit (weeks/months).
* Create a post-count limit (after 1000 posts, stop ignoring)
* Perhaps an implement a tagging system of sorts for threads that the OP can assign to it (maybe from a preset list to stop any AUTHOR RAMS SEPTAGON tags) and then you could maybe clarify that when you click to ignore a member in a particular thread, it's only for that particular type of thread. I don't know, that line of thought could probably be heavily edited. Just winging it here. Thought the whole thing is probably overkill to begin with.

The only thing with all of these ideas are that they simply delay what's inevitable: continual reapplication to the ban-list once whatever constraint is lifted.

Anyway, let's face it, we're all posting on this site because we're bored. Right? I'm bored as hell right now. Even though I have things to be doing. I'm procrastinating, it's what we're all doing right now. Being given the option to enjoy ourselves whilst procrastinating is both a positive thing and a negative thing if you take that perspective. If I'm going to spend my time here not doing something, would I not rather enjoy myself? But if I'm going to spend my time here not doing something, is it not better to have someone there to remind me why I should spend my time doing something constructive with my time?

Ken (and anyone else with this habit), I used to be a lot like you, with your severe posting habits. I was going through a lot of crap, and Bnet was my way of venting that frustration and I felt like I was participating in something, and for good reason, but looking back on it, it was really just a wasteful use of time. A lot of people will tell you that they hate you and want you to stop posting because they don't want to see you posting so much, but I'm going to tell you to calm it down because I want to see you invest it in something you won't look back on in 4 years and go "Christ. I really wasted a lot of time on that site. Why did I bother posting in almost every thread I came across? I made so many people angry with me, and what did I gain from it? Nothing," because that's pretty much how I view a lot of my time here.

Primarily, this site is in a period of extreme boredom. Bungie's not revealing anything, the community's population has drifted and divided its attention, and we probably won't see anything for a long time from Bungie yet, so the forums have been going slowly. So we're all bored. The fact that we've gotten to the point where we want to actually go through with ignoring users testifies to just how bored everyone must be. It's funny really, that we're so desperate to see content we want to actually see that we're willing to block other people to see it. Funny thing is that I genuinely don't believe there is any thread in this particular forum of true value that hasn't been discussed yet, or breaks any new ground. Repost of a repost of a ~...so when we take away all of the people that bother us, we're left with even less than we started out with.

I like the variety in opinions, mentalities and attitudes. It helps you grow. If people didn't tell you why you're being an idiot, then you never learn and grow, and as a result, you never stop doing it. To an extent, I like the idea of funnelling what posts we want to see, but I'm frustrated with the reasoning behind it. I think that if you're going to get angry at a frequent poster that annoys you, you should PM them explaining what it actually is that's getting to you. Maybe if you actually spoke to them about it instead of excluding them, you'd see a change.

I'd personally like to see more of the "Thread-tagging" system I mentioned. Maybe then we could see more threads that are of interest to individuals. For this forum they could be like "Events", "Moderation", "Site Bugs", "Site Suggestions", "Bungie Staff", etc. At least that way, we can filter for topics that interest us over blocking out members because you don't like their threads or posts. It would be cooler if we could then have personal tags for threads (think of it like Saved Threads, if you like) that would be private to us alone, for even further expansion of this sort of thing. Perhaps then we could apply that to a "Threads by stosh" tag or "Threads by DeeJ".

Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's food for thought. Speaking of food, I'm hungry, I'm going to stop there and go do something practical.

  • 12.12.2011 1:59 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

I think people need to learn self control. If you see a thread by a user you don't like, don't post in it. I think it is simple.

But if you are in a discussion thread and you are blocked from users yet have valid points, your points go ignored and participation in threads becomes less and less fun. :/

I know that some people want this to target certain users (like myself apparently seeing that thread). And let me tell you, if a ton of people blocked me and my threads kept getting no replies and I wasn't acknowledged on the forums, I would start hating Bungie.net.



Freedom of Speech =/= People wanting to listen.

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Since it was pretty interesting to read, I'd like to fork the discussion being had in this thread on the topic of "self-moderation" through the use of filtering tools, such as an ignore user feature.


Please Bungie? This should work both ways though. If userA blocks userB than userB can't see UserA's posts either. I Wasn't sure if this was expressed?

  • 12.12.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lobster Fish 2
What happens if someone "quotes" a user that you have ignored?

I'm assuming that they won't show up regardless of being quoted.

  • 12.12.2011 2:06 PM PDT

Who the hell do you think I am?


Posted by: ElementalRunner
No, you can ignore them without having an "ignore feature."

  • 12.12.2011 2:14 PM PDT

Maybe... I dunno. If the worry is about it becoming a 'first thing' deal and we'd rather ignoring was a last option instead, perhaps make it so posts are only hidden by those that want them hidden after a certain number of people have hidden their post? Possibly only if they hide them for the same reason (extra check bubbles make me want to not click buttons anyways, so that'd help on its own!). Eh.

  • 12.12.2011 2:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Breadisgood91
I find it easy enough to ignore people with the power of my mind.


OT: Yea I'd like to see something like that.

  • 12.12.2011 2:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
So far, my opinion is that if it were done, it couldn't be done in isolation, and would have to be very, very, very carefully implemented to avoid creating an "echo chamber" by default... basically to make it so it was a backup device for users, rather than the first thing they hit when annoyed by someone. As to how to do that... well... I guess if it were easy, we would have already done it.[/quote]


You could have users write a 100 character summary of why they're ignoring the person they want to ignore, and then have them do a CAPTCHA. Both of those would be really annoying, so users wouldn't use them as much. You could also limit the number of peopole a user can ignore.

  • 12.12.2011 3:12 PM PDT

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Anyone else ever wonder what it's like for two elcor to do the nasty?

"Tentatively excited: Oh. Oh. Oh. Right there."

Yeah me neither.

Posted by: Breadisgood91
I find it easy enough to ignore people with the power of my mind.

  • 12.12.2011 3:25 PM PDT