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Subject: Ignore feature


Posted by: Sgt Dippinbud

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9


What you aren't seeming to grasp here is that it is optional. You wouldn't have to ignore anybody. This means that those that use it must take into account the results of their actions, sure, but they can also save themselves time and frustration by having the option.

I understand that it is optional, but why do we have to settle for losing out either way. Can we not find a way that it can be implemented in a positive way? If not, then okay, I will just have to settle and deal with the draw backs. But as many people will tell you, it is never good to settle for something that could be better.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 12:24 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 12:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: duskypolorbear
lol to ken being "That guy"
I reallly didn't want to read through the 16 pages of posts so i don't know if this has been stated, but if you ignore someone it should be a two way street. If i ignore or whatever some user for, lets say a week, not only will i not see his posts, but he should not be able to view mine either.
This Should definitely not be a feature. If this was implemented it would shift the power of control over other users from Bungie and the forum ninjas to people in the community. Why should I, or any other person have the right to decide what another community member can an cannot see.



your right, but i don't see ignoring another user as reasonable. this might as well be a block if that person annoys you that much. i'll say again i would never use this, but if it was a two way street and the people you blocked could not see your posts either i think it would put more weight behind the action of ignoring someone for a user to think about.

  • 12.15.2011 5:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elite Mouse
I will name my first son after you.

  • 12.15.2011 5:50 AM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

People who would use this function would obviously be already ignoring a particular user on the mains already. This only provides an avenue of convenience to the person ignoring, which should be beneficial. It's pretty much parallel to real life. You wish ignore someone you dislike for whatever reason, the best way to do that is to avoid them.

It wouldn't distort this community entirely, if it would have a feature which allowed one to switch it on/off at will. Users can then easily opt for revealing an ignored users posts, to determine if they have changed.

Although we won't know the outcome until it is implemented. "Nothing ventured, nothing gained"

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I just don't see the need for this. I don't even know how one would implement this so it wouldn't get abused.
There wouldn't be abuse. If a user chooses to ignore one million users for kicks, then that is that one users problem. They will be secluding themselves from the community, not you, nor the million others. Posted by: ctjl96
I'm acknowledging that it's not our place to shun someone almost entirely.
The community is massive, no one will be shunned out entirely, even almost entirely, even shunned by 50% of the community. A user will always have someone to visualise their opinions and posts. Posted by: ctjl96
The feature itself is not a bad idea at all; however, a bunch of people ignoring one person for no reason.
People wouldn't ignore for no reason, and what someone views as being ignore worthy and valid is different from another - it's subjective.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 7:16 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 5:56 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

*reading more posts

A lot of discussion since I went to sleep.

Anyway, I am concluding that no one in the community who has done NOTHING to break the code of conduct deserves to be blocked out on the froums. The point of these forums is the communicate with the community, this feature would prevent a good discussion among memebers.

Also, if people want to "ignore" ceratin users or only talk with a few people, make a group. There are many active groups that have little exclusive cliques already, do we really want to bring that to the mains (fully atleast)?

And if people can't handle someone to the point they have to ignore them so they don't flame, that is not the blocked person's fault. If someone really can't handle being nice, they shouldn't even be on the mains.

Bungie.net promotes a friendly and fun loving community. We have a good community, but NOT a great one. We have work to do, but trying to hide a problem never works, it is still there. With that said this won't stop flaming, trolling, etc. It will still occur, we areon the internet afterall.

  • 12.15.2011 7:22 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Elite Mouse
This entire forum is based on the community, and if the community as a whole has decided that someone is annoying and in general ruining their experience, then it is about time that person packed their -blam!- and got the hell out.


That is not your decision to make, it is the webteams. Frankily I <3 coming to Bungie.net and interacting with the forums, I am however a little upset getting this negitivity for being active.

I know I can be a little over Zealous at times but it is just becuase it is exciting to come here and discuss halo, Myth, Marathon, and other games/etc with people who share my similar intrests.

I really am trying to not be a pest and it is irritating when I see stuff like this and people are like "censor ken". It makes me upset and confused. But I am thinking about myslef and how if many people blocked me, how MY personal Bungie.net expereince will suffer. I know many people like jumping on the bandwagon.

I still find that mindset to be incredibly arrogant, it is basically saying "I am important and you are not allowed to ignore my posts because I have to be heard!".

Everyone on these forums is equal. What gives anyone the right to censor a fellow user and not allow me to sahre my views? Even if you don't care, as a memeber of Bungie.net, I think it is fair for my posts to appear for everyone to see.

I really don't think I am that importabt, I am not seeking attention, I am simply posting on the forums. And the only reasons I am using me as an example is becuase of you people saying I am going to be blocked and I take that as a personal attack on my Bungie.net experience whic I feel is uncalled for, unfair, and unjust.

  • 12.15.2011 7:30 AM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P


Posted by: spartain ken 15
Also, if people want to "ignore" ceratin users or only talk with a few people, make a group. There are many active groups that have little exclusive cliques already, do we really want to bring that to the mains (fully atleast)?
This paragraphs leads me to believe that you think users will mass block other members, and you think the community is made from only a few users. The community is massive, why would most of it block most others just to talk to a select few?And if people can't handle someone to the point they have to ignore them so they don't flameYou have failed to show the underlined section in this thread.If someone really can't handle being nice, they shouldn't even be on the mainsYou are being somewhat contradictory here. From your previous posts, you believe that everyone has a right to be heard by everyone else, yet you now wish to exclude members of the community for not being nice? What you view as nice can be taken differently by others, just like what is being ignore worthy. The difference between "not deserving to be on the mains" and "being ignored" is that, with the latter, you are still on these forums, being heard by others who haven't ignored you. The prior has one secluded completely from the community.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 7:40 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 7:39 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Zealot Tony

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Also, if people want to "ignore" ceratin users or only talk with a few people, make a group. There are many active groups that have little exclusive cliques already, do we really want to bring that to the mains (fully atleast)?
This paragraphs leads me to believe that you think users will mass block other members, and you think the community is made from only a few users. The community is massive, why would most of it block most others just to talk to a select few?And if people can't handle someone to the point they have to ignore them so they don't flameYou have failed to show the underlined section in this thread.If someone really can't handle being nice, they shouldn't even be on the mainsYou are being somewhat contradictory here. From your previous posts, you believe that everyone has a right to be heard by everyone else, yet you now wish to exclude members of the community for not being nice? What you view as nice can be taken differently by others, just like what is being ignore worthy. The difference between "not deserving to be on the mains" and "being ignored" is that, with the latter, you are still on these forums, being heard by others who haven't ignored you. The prior has one secluded completely from the community.


EVERYONE on Bungie.ent has a right to post and make threads. They loose those "rights/privleges" when they violate the code of conduct.

Having 1 person block you isn't a big deal, have 20+ people block you is A BIG DEAL. The more people that block you just to block you, the less productive you can be on the forums. Yu will have less people to discuss with with every ignore and you are losing your ability to use the forums by the individuals of this site which is something the webteam should do for people who deserve it, like trolls and spammers.

  • 12.15.2011 7:44 AM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
EVERYONE on Bungie.ent has a right to post and make threads. They loose those "rights/privleges" when they violate the code of conduct.
Do they really, considering that this is privately owned website?

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Having 1 person block you isn't a big deal, have 20+ people block you is A BIG DEAL. The more people that block you just to block you, the less productive you can be on the forums. Yu will have less people to discuss with with every ignore and you are losing your ability to use the forums by the individuals of this site which is something the webteam should do for people who deserve it, like trolls and spammers.
No. Absolutely not. Completely disagreed.

If people are willing to block you, I'd wager a lot of money that they already don't care to read what you're posting, which is where the "skipping over" comes from. Hence, if they did block you, your experience (which is what you seem to be primarily concerned about) would not likely change from how it already is.

So what exactly changes in terms of the experience on the site for you (the "blockee"), when there is no fundamental difference between someone "skipping over" your posts like they may already do without an ignore feature, and having them [the posts] removed automatically by the site for the enhancement of the experience in favour of the "blocker"?

Or do you just enjoy the idea that people should be forced to see and read what you type, even if they may think it's absolute drivel?


Note: "you" could be referring to anyone.

  • 12.15.2011 8:14 AM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Zealot Tony

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Also, if people want to "ignore" ceratin users or only talk with a few people, make a group. There are many active groups that have little exclusive cliques already, do we really want to bring that to the mains (fully atleast)?
This paragraphs leads me to believe that you think users will mass block other members, and you think the community is made from only a few users. The community is massive, why would most of it block most others just to talk to a select few?And if people can't handle someone to the point they have to ignore them so they don't flameYou have failed to show the underlined section in this thread.If someone really can't handle being nice, they shouldn't even be on the mainsYou are being somewhat contradictory here. From your previous posts, you believe that everyone has a right to be heard by everyone else, yet you now wish to exclude members of the community for not being nice? What you view as nice can be taken differently by others, just like what is being ignore worthy. The difference between "not deserving to be on the mains" and "being ignored" is that, with the latter, you are still on these forums, being heard by others who haven't ignored you. The prior has one secluded completely from the community.


EVERYONE on Bungie.ent has a right to post and make threads. They loose those "rights/privleges" when they violate the code of conduct.

Having 1 person block you isn't a big deal, have 20+ people block you is A BIG DEAL. The more people that block you just to block you, the less productive you can be on the forums. Yu will have less people to discuss with with every ignore and you are losing your ability to use the forums by the individuals of this site which is something the webteam should do for people who deserve it, like trolls and spammers.

What you're apparently not getting is that those same 20+ people are the ones that would be ignoring you anyway and avoiding any discussion with you. The same 20+ that couldn't give a damn about what you have to say. The same 20+ people you would never even know existed.

Step off your pedestal for once and think about what people are telling you rather than spouting the same dribble over and over.

  • 12.15.2011 8:16 AM PDT

Ken,

You are worried about something that has not happened. So some people don't like you. Life is hard. People don't like me either. If an ignore feature gets put in place, and 20 people ignore me, I probably wouldn't even notice. Chances are, those are the people I would want to ignore myself, and I highly doubt they would notice if I blocked them.

In all aspects of our life, we have the choice to ignore people we do not want to interact with. Having that feature here would not destroy the community. Last I checked, people have been ignoring each other for thousands of years, and the Earth is still rotating just fine.

While everyone is entitled to their opinions, as Deej has recently mentioned, you have no rights. Play nice.

I trust Bungie to make a decision based on all the metrics they are using. If they want to implement this feature, they will do it right. If it doesn't work, I trust them to fix it. If it still doesn't work, I am sure it would go away.

Much like how babies don't know any other taste besides what is given to them. You only know what you have been told to know.
Why are you (not you Ken, but the community) so afraid to try new flavours? It will either taste great, and you will love it, or it wont, and you wont eat it any more. Where exactly is the risk?

  • 12.15.2011 8:20 AM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is not your decision to make, it is the webteams. Frankily I <3 coming to Bungie.net and interacting with the forums, I am however a little upset getting this negitivity for being active.

I know I can be a little over Zealous at times but it is just becuase it is exciting to come here and discuss halo, Myth, Marathon, and other games/etc with people who share my similar intrests.

I really am trying to not be a pest and it is irritating when I see stuff like this and people are like "censor ken". It makes me upset and confused. But I am thinking about myslef and how if many people blocked me, how MY personal Bungie.net expereince will suffer. I know many people like jumping on the bandwagon.


We aren't annoyed at the number of posts you make.

What is really annoying is how you seem to be stuck on this one point. Multiple people have countered it. But you're still saying your "experience will suffer" if people who would already either ignore you, or flame you had a tool to make your posts go away.

If you would look at that point, analyze it, and then counter it, it would keep discussion moving forward. But right now, we're simply seeing the same thing over and over. It's aggravating. You could make the same number of posts with little to no people being annoyed with you, if you would just stop repeating yourself and move forward.

  • 12.15.2011 9:06 AM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15


[quote]Posted by: spartain ken 15

EVERYONE on Bungie.ent has a right to post and make threads. They loose those "rights/privleges" when they violate the code of conduct.

Having 1 person block you isn't a big deal, have 20+ people block you is A BIG DEAL. The more people that block you just to block you, the less productive you can be on the forums. Yu will have less people to discuss with with every ignore and you are losing your ability to use the forums by the individuals of this site which is something the webteam should do for people who deserve it, like trolls and spammers.


People have equal as much a right to ignore your posts, as you do to post.

Just because a someone has freedom of speech, does not mean that I have to listen to them.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 9:18 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 9:12 AM PDT

I could ignore everybody and have an entire website to myself, great idea. Love it.

  • 12.15.2011 9:23 AM PDT

',:|

It seems most of the hubbub here comes from a misinterpretation of the implement.

Think less that the [ignore user's posts] button is like a personal ban function with invisible posts and more like an auto-collapse feature as if all the user's posts had been reported a lot.
Also, remember this is more to be used against spammers that take up ridiculous amounts of space with a shock site link- that's who you block.

If you're afraid that everyone's going to block you, you're doing something wrong.

  • 12.15.2011 11:43 AM PDT

I am starting to see the point of everyone who has concerns here. It is just plain unfair that some people are liked while others are not....that some people are well known, while others wallow in obscurity.

To solve this, I propose a "I love this post" feature. And by feature, I mean anytime that somebody posts, everybody will be required to read it and press the "I love this post" button before they can continue. This must be done for every single post on every single forum from this point forward. You must read them all, or you will be diminishing the experience of the less fortunate.

  • 12.15.2011 1:30 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

I made a bit of a mock-up of what this could look like in my opinion.

The next picture is what it would look like normally or un-minimized.

It is like how reported posts are minimize at the moment but, with the ignore feature, all of the posts for the users you have chosen to ignore are minimized. This way, you can see that they have posted in a thread so that, if the thread doesn't make sense without their post, you can view their post if you want to.

and.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Bungie.ent
lol

[Edited on 12.15.2011 2:41 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 2:40 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Domi 233
I made a bit of a mock-up of what this could look like in my opinion.

The next picture is what it would look like normally or un-minimized.

It is like how reported posts are minimize at the moment but, with the ignore feature, all of the posts for the users you have chosen to ignore are minimized. This way, you can see that they have posted in a thread so that, if the thread doesn't make sense without their post, you can view their post if you want to.

and.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Bungie.ent
lol


Of course I was the ignored person in you pic.

I have NO PROBLEM with this feature if it is only used against people who break the rules.

  • 12.15.2011 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Domi 233
I made a bit of a mock-up of what this could look like in my opinion.

The next picture is what it would look like normally or un-minimized.

It is like how reported posts are minimize at the moment but, with the ignore feature, all of the posts for the users you have chosen to ignore are minimized. This way, you can see that they have posted in a thread so that, if the thread doesn't make sense without their post, you can view their post if you want to.

and.

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Bungie.ent
lol


Of course I was the ignored person in you pic.

I have NO PROBLEM with this feature if it is only used against people who break the rules.


How do you enforce that? How do you make sure people do not ignore people willy-nilly?

You'd have to have some sort of supervision.

All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.

  • 12.15.2011 2:47 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Posted by: spartain ken 15Sorry but you have almost every second post on this page and happened to be in the middle.

No offence intended.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 2:49 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 2:48 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
I have NO PROBLEM with this feature if it is only used against people who break the rules.

People that break the rules will get their posts hidden due to being banned anyway, so that would be pointless. If we do get an ignore feature (which I'm neutral on) we should be able to use it on anyone, except employees and ninjas.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 2:53 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 2:52 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: antony X1000

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I have NO PROBLEM with this feature if it is only used against people who break the rules.

People that break the rules will get their posts hidden due to being banned anyway, so that would be pointless. If we do get an ignore feature (which I'm neutral on) we should be able to use it on anyone, except employees and ninjas.


Why do they get to have their posts un-hidden? Atleast ninjas anyway.

Ninjas are regular users just like us, they should be able to be censored also if this happens. Their bans, etc have nothing to do with users seeing your posts.

  • 12.15.2011 2:55 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.

  • 12.15.2011 2:58 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
Why do they get to have their posts un-hidden? Atleast ninjas anyway.

Ninjas are regular users just like us, they should be able to be censored also if this happens. Their bans, etc have nothing to do with users seeing your posts.

What happens when a ninja posts a thread to let people know about a rule change or something similar, like they occasionally do?

I have no idea who you are referring to in the last sentence of your post though. I assume you mean people who break the rules, who get banned, which hides their posts until they become unbanned.

  • 12.15.2011 3:00 PM PDT