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I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.


Fair and just? Outside the courts this concept isn't in play, hell even in court this is concept is a bit skewed. This is life, people are going to ignore you. Once you get that through your hair and quit putting yourself in the middle of all this then maybe you'll see that that it's all pretty harmless.

  • 12.15.2011 3:04 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Posted by: Achronos
On the same token, those complaining that people should "just ignore" those they don't like... that's also not really relevant. In the first place, who are you telling others how they read the forums is "right" or "wrong"?


Are you serious? How can you insinuate people on the side of this argument are "Telling people how to use the forums"? Oh we're bossing people around now? I don't really think so.

I can't help but feel the inability to mentally ignore something shows a lack of maturity. So when SUGGESTING it's easier to ignore by ones own will than actually provide a feature, how is that in any way "not relevant"?

I don't think this will disturb the balance of the Community, I don't think it will cause serious harm to any individual members mental wellness, it just seems to be a matter of principle is all. If you dislike someones input, do you really consider it an eye-sore enough or a nuisance to have it removed completely? It seems completely unnecessary to have to resort to this extreme.

As I said previously, more than once within this thread which anyone has yet to rebuttal,

"Hell, when I see a Spartan Helmet with flames, I won't lie... I've pretty much trained my mind to skip over it. But you know what? Sometimes I give specific members like that the benefit of the doubt, and I read their posts. And you know what? Over the span of time, it appears that here and there, they begin to offer some actual valuable discussion input."

I am not here to argue for the specific users that may fall victim to the ignore feature, I present my argument against those that would wish to utilize it. If it happens, if they use it, fine, I couldn't be bothered to care about what someone does... But there are so many people here, people that I thought better of that seem so adamant about having to resort to cut someone out of a discussion completely. When as a grown adult, they simply refuse to just pretend its not there. And don't give me this bull about it "cleaning" things up, so people "don't have to actually see it"... I see lots of garbage here everyday, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:07 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:07 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Specter Wolf
Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.


Fair and just? Outside the courts this concept isn't in play, hell even in court this is concept is a bit skewed. This is life, people are going to ignore you. Once you get that through your hair and quit putting yourself in the middle of all this then maybe you'll see that that it's all pretty harmless.


This idea is to further "self moderation" but it is planned to be used against "annoying users" which does not break the rules. I find the reason people want it is not a good one, not really good enough to make this.

But, if it is used against people who deserve it, great.

I am not trying to "drag myself into it", I am just saying how I feel about this and how I think this will affect me and other users on this site.

but, oh well. Many people here seem to want a way to ban people who do nothing wrong so they can control their "urges" (usually a few bans will help with that, some people obviously need another ban or 2), they might get it. I just hope the forums stay the same to post in. But I prefer if this feature is never made.

  • 12.15.2011 3:09 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.


Ken, what I was getting at is how would Bungie.net know that someone has broken the rules? Reporting? Ignoring?

In that case you're just repeating yourself. Should mods be involved? All they would be doing all day would be handling ignore requests/reports.

Its a problem that is being artificially created. :)

  • 12.15.2011 3:10 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.
That sounds an aweful lot like the Report button to me

Posted by: Helveck
I can't help but feel the inability to mentally ignore something shows a lack of maturity. So when SUGGESTING it's easier to ignore by ones own will than actually provide a feature, how is that in any way "not relevant"?
What you're saying is true. The problem is that the Bungie Community, in general, is lacking in the ability to ignore people without the aid of "an ignore button". It does display a lack of maturity - but it happens so often.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:16 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:12 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Zee JollyRoger

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.


Ken, what I was getting at is how would Bungie.net know that someone has broken the rules? Reporting? Ignoring?

In that case you're just repeating yourself. Should mods be involved? All they would be doing all day would be handling ignore requests/reports.

Its a problem that is being artificially created. :)


the mods job on this site is to deal with people who break the code of conduct. Many people DON'T use the report button. But, many people will use an ignore button. I propose that the ignore feature also sends a report, possibly a "Higher level report", so it is for SERIOUS offences.

That makes sense, becuase an ignore feature should ONLY be for SERIOUS OFFENCES, it should not be if you can;t agree with someone's opinion.

Frankly I am disappointed in many people's views towards this. Some people here need to learn to respect other users on this site and if they can't do that, they should be banned. 0 tolerance style.

  • 12.15.2011 3:14 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Specter Wolf
Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger.
All we're doing here is creating a problem that shouldn't exist.


I couldn't agree more. The ignore feature would create problems like how it was suggested, I have a way to make it reasonable.

Ignore feature:
- If someone breaks the coc, you ignore them, you can ONLY ignore their 1 post, the ignore goes out as a warning to the mods. If you ignore too many people's individual posts in 1 day, you can have your right to ignore people halted for 24 hours.

- If enough people ignore and report someone, a mod will come. The mod can decide to do 2 things, ban the user OR press a button that un-hides that post (one should not be ignored if they didn't do anything wrong).

That is a FAIR, JUST, and REASONABLE use for the ignore feature. It helps people avoid shock site trolls, encourages people to "report" others, and is only used for people who do something wrong.


Fair and just? Outside the courts this concept isn't in play, hell even in court this is concept is a bit skewed. This is life, people are going to ignore you. Once you get that through your hair and quit putting yourself in the middle of all this then maybe you'll see that that it's all pretty harmless.


This idea is to further "self moderation" but it is planned to be used against "annoying users" which does not break the rules. I find the reason people want it is not a good one, not really good enough to make this.

But, if it is used against people who deserve it, great.

I am not trying to "drag myself into it", I am just saying how I feel about this and how I think this will affect me and other users on this site.

but, oh well. Many people here seem to want a way to ban people who do nothing wrong so they can control their "urges" (usually a few bans will help with that, some people obviously need another ban or 2), they might get it. I just hope the forums stay the same to post in. But I prefer if this feature is never made.


The term "self moderate" is, admittedly, misleading. Think of it more along the lines of a customizable content filter where the goal is to improve each user's experience by allowing to view only the content they wish to see. Ideally this would be used to remove flaming, trolls, spam, etc. Which leads to being able to self moderate. But it also allows users to see topics which only interest you while filtering out which don't. Non desirable posts and threads would merely be hidden (collapsed) from view, not completely be removed so that if desired one could venture into "ignored' threads.

  • 12.15.2011 3:15 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Frankly I am disappointed in many people's views towards this. Some people here need to learn to respect other users on this site and if they can't do that, they should be banned. 0 tolerance style.
If people respected each other totally, they wouldn't be a problem at all.

However, what you seem to be saying is that, if people don't like you/find you annoying and want to voice their opinion on that - they should be banned. I think this is taking it a step too far.

  • 12.15.2011 3:20 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Specter Wolf
The term "self moderate" is, admittedly, misleading. Think of it more along the lines of a customizable content filter where the goal is to improve each user's experience by allowing to view only the content they wish to see. Ideally this would be used to remove flaming, trolls, spam, etc. Which leads to being able to self moderate. But it also allows users to see topics which only interest you while filtering out which don't. Non desirable posts and threads would merely be hidden (collapsed) from view, not completely be removed so that if desired one could venture into "ignored' threads.


If I see topics that "don't interest me", I IGNORE THEM and look at new topics. The user who made a topic does = the topic's subject is bad, you are stereotyping. You OD NOT need to webteam to use valuable resources so you can remove a topic. If that is the big issue, it realy isn't one.

Also with that in mind I think it furthers my point that people need to learn self control or they won't be coming back to the mains becuase they will be banned for flaming. I hate to see a fellow user banned but if they are acting like a nub, I wish them a fun time in private groups.

Really ignoring things now is not hard at all. There is no need to make a button for it. And if someone really wants to ignore every post made by 1 user good or bad, that is ignorant. I knwo some of my threads and posts can suck sometimes (like EVERYONE, ninja or regular), but I feel that everyone (including myself), can contribute something worthwhile to the discussion.

  • 12.15.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Domi 233
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Frankly I am disappointed in many people's views towards this. Some people here need to learn to respect other users on this site and if they can't do that, they should be banned. 0 tolerance style.
If people respected each other totally, they wouldn't be a problem at all.

However, what you seem to be saying is that, if people don't like you/find you annoying and want to voice their opinion on that - they should be banned. I think this is taking it a step too far.


Respect is earned, not given.

  • 12.15.2011 3:22 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Stormkiller626

Posted by: Domi 233
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Frankly I am disappointed in many people's views towards this. Some people here need to learn to respect other users on this site and if they can't do that, they should be banned. 0 tolerance style.
If people respected each other totally, they wouldn't be a problem at all.

However, what you seem to be saying is that, if people don't like you/find you annoying and want to voice their opinion on that - they should be banned. I think this is taking it a step too far.


Respect is earned, not given.


If you don't respect or not like someone, just don't rely to their threads or say anything snobby to them. There is no reason why people here can't be nicer. I know people here that however have been here for years and have not yet learned to play nice on the mains. it is a skill learned and reinforced with bans and warnings. If you want to talk bad about someone or have an issue with someone, PM a moderator about what they ddi wrong or talk about it in private groups (I know it happens, I see it all the time).

  • 12.15.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
the mods job on this site is to deal with people who break the code of conduct. Many people DON'T use the report button. But, many people will use an ignore button. I propose that the ignore feature also sends a report, possibly a "Higher level report", so it is for SERIOUS offences.

That makes sense, becuase an ignore feature should ONLY be for SERIOUS OFFENCES, it should not be if you can;t agree with someone's opinion.

Frankly I am disappointed in many people's views towards this. Some people here need to learn to respect other users on this site and if they can't do that, they should be banned. 0 tolerance style.


I'm not sure if you're being especially dense or you're not seeing the point. If people aren't willing to report what incentive do they have to ignore someone? Other than not seeing their posts? Why is that necessarily a good thing? Why can't scrolling past their post be good enough?

You're coupling a-lot of functionality of the moderators, reporting, and ignoring. That is very inefficient. Each of those items should have their specific function(s).

An ignore shouldn't report. A report shouldn't necessarily ignore (although it does this with enough reports by masking the post). A moderator shouldn't be doing all of these at the same time an automated system is doing it as well.

The problem here isn't whether or not we should have an ignore feature. The problem doesn't exist.

Occam's Razor states:

...simpler explanations are, other things being equal, generally better than more complex ones.

This is not always the case, but its a good engineering principal as well. Regardless of engineering discipline.

What does the ignore feature truly accomplish? Why do we truly need it? How will it be implemented? How will it be controlled against abuse? Etc.

When you start to break the idea down to its most basic principles it suddenly becomes ridiculous.

This feature, as far as I see it, in no way establishes a way to enrich community discussion. Its sole purpose is to stifle discussion by allowing users to filter content into what they want to see.

OH! You say, but that is the entire point. To read what you want read. That is already easily done by clicking on topics that interest you and replying to them. If there are no topics that interest you, you need to create more interesting topics.

The community shouldn't be saying who gets a voice and who does not. The forums do no other job than providing a place for Bungie fans, gamers, and others a-like, to come and converse.

The website provides the forums as a service as well as: Groups, Stats, Weekly Updates (when not in dark mode), etc.

There is plenty to take away from Bungie.net. If you don't get your fix of whatever you want here then there is no purpose in your being here. That isn't to say you can't be here, but why join a community and do nothing? I'm not sure, but that is your time to waste. Which is fine.

The ignore feature ordeal I find seems to be a result of a lack of good community activity and discussion. We need to find ways to foster better community discussion, activity, and have fun as a group.

  • 12.15.2011 3:29 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

This feedback isn't helpful. You seem to be having trouble separating "ban" from "ignore".

1. If a user is banned, it is because a moderator judged they were in violation of the code of conduct.
2. If I ignore a user, I can do it for whatever reason I please. That's a feature, not a design flaw.

I don't know why you're trying to add the moderators doing anything or even talking about the Code of Conduct or bans to this discussion. I want the moderators to have to worry about less things, you seem to be going with the standard "septagon know-it-all approach" of "more bans would make everything better."

Again, that's not helpful feedback for any topic. I almost always dismiss it without even really reading it, because "more bans" are usually never the right answer. An ignore feature means less global bans, because you'd be able to enforce the "play nice" rule on your own view yourself. Nobody has yet been able to convince me that that primary gain doesn't completely offset the negatives (which so far seem very minor).

Posted by: spartain ken 15
This idea is to further "self moderation" but it is planned to be used against "annoying users" which does not break the rules. I find the reason people want it is not a good one, not really good enough to make this.

But, if it is used against people who deserve it, great.

I am not trying to "drag myself into it", I am just saying how I feel about this and how I think this will affect me and other users on this site.

but, oh well. Many people here seem to want a way to ban people who do nothing wrong so they can control their "urges" (usually a few bans will help with that, some people obviously need another ban or 2), they might get it. I just hope the forums stay the same to post in. But I prefer if this feature is never made.

  • 12.15.2011 3:32 PM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Specter Wolf
The term "self moderate" is, admittedly, misleading. Think of it more along the lines of a customizable content filter where the goal is to improve each user's experience by allowing to view only the content they wish to see. Ideally this would be used to remove flaming, trolls, spam, etc. Which leads to being able to self moderate. But it also allows users to see topics which only interest you while filtering out which don't. Non desirable posts and threads would merely be hidden (collapsed) from view, not completely be removed so that if desired one could venture into "ignored' threads.


If I see topics that "don't interest me", I IGNORE THEM and look at new topics. The user who made a topic does = the topic's subject is bad, you are stereotyping. You OD NOT need to webteam to use valuable resources so you can remove a topic. If that is the big issue, it realy isn't one.

It's not about bad topics, it's about ease of navigation. If I can collapse topics that I see have no interest to me so that I can easily identify ones that I want to read then it makes things easier for me. Wading through repeat topics, spam, trolls, flaming to get to the delicious morsels on these threads is tedious at times and time consuming. Time which I don't always have if I just want to pop in here quick.

Also with that in mind I think it furthers my point that people need to learn self control or they won't be coming back to the mains becuase they will be banned for flaming. I hate to see a fellow user banned but if they are acting like a nub, I wish them a fun time in private groups.
My point is that bans are the wrong way to teach people to learn anything and should only be used as a last resort. Quite often bans have only resulted in the person banned to lash out at the moderators and even the community even harder. The same way "criminal rehabilitation" in prison is mostly a myth.

Also now who's talking about exclusion, if people can't act the way you think they should they should be confined to private groups like animals.

Really ignoring things now is not hard at all. There is no need to make a button for it. And if someone really wants to ignore every post made by 1 user good or bad, that is ignorant. I knwo some of my threads and posts can suck sometimes (like EVERYONE, ninja or regular), but I feel that everyone (including myself), can contribute something worthwhile to the discussion.
I find ignoring things I don't like rather easy, I finding more and more that i have great self control. Especially since I've held back saying some pretty nasty things as it is. It's ignorant thinking that everyone should be forced to hear you out and that everyone should have the same level of self control, it's just not possible. And purifying the community via moderators is not the answer to the asshat problem you're so keen on.

  • 12.15.2011 3:38 PM PDT

Key

Posted by: spartain ken 15
Honestly, ken... This is getting ridiculous. You're obviously against this because you know people are going to "ignore" you. Most of the stuff you're saying has nothing to do with anything anyone, let alone the OP, is saying.

  • 12.15.2011 3:40 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: spartain ken 15
Honestly, ken... This is getting ridiculous. You're obviously against this because you know people are going to "ignore" you. Most of the stuff you're saying has nothing to do with anything anyone, let alone the OP, is saying.


Well at this point I realize I can't convince people why I think this is bad or offer an alternative. Did I over-exaggerate, yes I think I did looking back. I do have a concern about people ignoring me becuase I don't know how it will affect me? Less people flaming me, less people replying to my threads? I can't be sure.

I didn't mean to make this too personally or play devil's advocate. I just wanted to provide an alternate point of view. But if so many people are so for this, including moderators, and are so sure it will make Bungie.net, I guess it couldn't be that bad. But I am sure that if this feature was made, the webteam would do it in a way so nothing too bad happens. This kind of thing probably has a lot of fine tuning to get right.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:47 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:45 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
Bungie.net Overlord
twitter: http://twitter.com/Achronos

"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Calling something "ridiculous" without answering the questions your submit is a little dishonest. At its base level, the bungie.net forums suffer from a basic problem: you can't filter your view. If you want to talk Halo, you are given the Reach forum. Have you seen that forum and its activity level? And that's a lot less than it used to be. We had to designate an entire extra forum just for story discussion because it got lost under the people talking about the gameplay.

We're thinking about that problem (which does exist, whether you admit it or not). And the idea of having an ignore list as one possible filter to your thread view (an optional filter, mind you) is intriguing because it ostensibly deals with some other issues involving moderation and scale: it makes it possible to view the public forums as a group-scaled place, without really losing the true scale.

Sure, you could make it ridiculous if you take the feature out of this context, but as I said, that is dishonest. This isn't a manufactured problem, this is having you guys talk about your feelings about such a feature that could be used to solve some problems that have gotten worse as bungie.net got larger, and that we don't intend to ignore this time around now that we're moving past Halo.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
What does the ignore feature truly accomplish? Why do we truly need it? How will it be implemented? How will it be controlled against abuse? Etc.

When you start to break the idea down to its most basic principles it suddenly becomes ridiculous.

This feature, as far as I see it, in no way establishes a way to enrich community discussion. Its sole purpose is to stifle discussion by allowing users to filter content into what they want to see.


[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:47 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:45 PM PDT
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Edit: Lol, go Achronos.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:58 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:47 PM PDT

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I'm in full support for the ignore feature. If it constitutes as less flaming it's good for me.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:48 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:48 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P


Posted by: spartain ken 15
I have NO PROBLEM with this feature if it is only used against people who break the rules.

See, the thing about this is that the rules are ambiguous. What counts as "play nice, don't be a jerk"? Some users would think that a another user who exhibits constant annoyance would fit this category and readily ignore them. Some people would not.

You have to note that this feature happens in everyday life. There is always a person you wish to ignore for whatever reason (be it at school, work, or anywhere else), hence the best theory to approach would be to avoid them. You seclude yourself from them, and completely ignore any input they have on the overall community. They still have people who enjoy spending time with them.

  • 12.15.2011 3:48 PM PDT

Best of random chance

Even with all that's been argued in favor of the feature, I still think it would have a negative effect. I don't think there is a single situation that the ignore feature would work better rather than just clicking out of the thread and "ignoring" any offensive content.

  • 12.15.2011 3:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: kashinfist
Even with all that's been argued in favor of the feature, I still think it would have a negative effect. I don't think there is a single situation that the ignore feature would work better rather than just clicking out of the thread and "ignoring" any offensive content.
I ostensibly agree. The issue is, not many people seem to be able to do that. My support for this idea stems from the feature making it so that people always remembered they'd be able to ignore what they don't like. Not enough of us seem to ignore now. If given a built in feature, there would be no excuse.

I ban people for flaming now. I wouldn't need to ban a decent percentage of them if they realized they didn't have to reply and flame back. This is the only way I can think of which would remind them and give them an incentive to simply ignore someone. I remind most people whom I ban for flaming that they simply didn't have to reply to whatever offended them. Hopefully with this feature, the system itself would remind them.


[Edited on 12.15.2011 3:57 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 3:56 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: kashinfist
Even with all that's been argued in favor of the feature, I still think it would have a negative effect. I don't think there is a single situation that the ignore feature would work better rather than just clicking out of the thread and "ignoring" any offensive content.
I ostensibly agree. The issue is, not many people seem to be able to do that. My support for this idea stems from the feature making it so that people always remembered they'd be able to ignore what they don't like. Not enough of us seem to ignore now. If given a built in feature, there would be no excuse.

I ban people for flaming now. I wouldn't need to ban a decent percentage of them if they realized they didn't have to reply and flame back. This is the only way I can think of which would remind them and give them an incentive to simply ignore someone. I remind most people whom I ban for flaming that they simply didn't have to reply to whatever offended them. Hopefully with this feature, the system itself would remind them.


I don't mind that at all. The reason I was worried not if 1, 2, 5 or 10 people ignored me. I was worried if a LOT of people ignored me to the point I couldn't have any good discussions on the forums and not many people saw my threads.

But, that hopefully will not happen. I hope that (like you said), this may settle things and cool things off. But maybe have the duration not be forever, like a week or 2 weeks would be fine, becuase they may be fine with their posts after a while, see that they changed.

  • 12.15.2011 4:00 PM PDT

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

So.... exactly how would this ignore function work? Or are you guys still working on that?

  • 12.15.2011 4:02 PM PDT

Best of random chance

I agree, it almost seems like, when used properly, the point of this ignore feature would be a frontier before reporting, as to not trouble the mods, or a more simple resolve to flaming. Like SpartainKen, I think it will be misused to block opposing views that aren't in the least bit offensive or against the rules.
Posted by: spartain ken 15
I don't mind that at all. The reason I was worried not if 1, 2, 5 or 10 people ignored me. I was worried if a LOT of people ignored me to the point I couldn't have any good discussions on the forums and not many people saw my threads.

But, that hopefully will not happen. I hope that (like you said), this may settle things and cool things off. But maybe have the duration not be forever, like a week or 2 weeks would be fine, becuase they may be fine with their posts after a while, see that they changed.

  • 12.15.2011 4:03 PM PDT