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At this point I think I'd be fine with the feature, so long as you can set the amount of time a user is banned for, and have a default that isn't permanent so that after a certain thread when you've forgotten the particular user, you can see what they are discussing in a later date.

EDIT: Long sentence.

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This feature seems a little... backward to me. The idiocy and spam is often so numerous that removing specific individuals would have little impact on the overall experience. At least with the current forum set-up.

I believe any effort to restructure the forum should primarily target the source of problems, not the outcome.

Rather than just focusing upon self-moderation, which impacts an individual and has little site-wide benefit (admittedly an assertion, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise), I am in favour of a different type of self-moderation. I am referring literally to the moderation of one's self. If a member values their account they are more likely to respect the forum environment.

If this were the case I can begin to see the place for such a feature. Those finding it difficult to handle a certain user might then use the tool to prevent themselves from releasing their frustration in a way that could get them banned. A self-moderation tool... for the moderation of one's self.
Edit: The current problem isn't that people are unable to ignore something, it is that they choose not to.

I am also in favour of community moderation; if an account has not met a specific criteria (tied to age and total posts perhaps?) and one of their posts meets a minimum reporting threshold, having been reported by trusted users, they should be given a short timeout. This would prevent malicious users from gaining any real momentum and keep a global focus on the forum's content.

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Posted by: Tom T
This feature seems a little... backward to me. The idiocy and spam is often so numerous that removing specific individuals would have little impact on the overall experience. At least with the current forum set-up.

I believe any effort to restructure the forum should primarily target the source of problems, not the outcome.

Rather than just focusing upon self-moderation, which impacts an individual and has little site-wide benefit (admittedly an assertion, but I have yet to be convinced otherwise), I am in favour of a different type of self-moderation. I am referring literally to the moderation of one's self. If a member values their account they are more likely to respect the forum environment.

If this were the case I can begin to see the place for such a feature. Those finding it difficult to handle a certain user might then use the tool to prevent themselves from releasing their frustration in a way that could get them banned. A self-moderation tool... for the moderation of one's self.

I am also in favour of community moderation; if an account has not met a specific criteria (tied to age and total posts perhaps?) and one of their posts meets a minimum reporting threshold, having been reported by trusted users, they should be given a short timeout. This would prevent malicious users from gaining any real momentum and keep a global focus on the forum's content.


So let me see if I understand this correctly, you are saying if a group of "trusted users" repeatedly ignored/reported a certain user, that user will get banned even if they didn't do anything wrong.

Where have I heard of something like this before

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you are saying if a group of "trusted users" repeatedly ignored/reported a certain user, that user will get banned even if they didn't do anything wrong.
Sort of. They would be unable to post for a short period of time (aprox 1 hour). All their posts would also be lapsed, not completely hidden.

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Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: spartain ken 15
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you are saying if a group of "trusted users" repeatedly ignored/reported a certain user, that user will get banned even if they didn't do anything wrong.
Sort of. They would be unable to post for a short period of time (aprox 1 hour). All their posts would also be lapsed, not completely hidden.
Sounds good to me.

It would be like a super nice warning given to a member by other members of the community.


"This is not post worthy/bad/against the rules. Don't post things like this in the future, or a mod might ban/warn you."

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Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: spartain ken 15
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you are saying if a group of "trusted users" repeatedly ignored/reported a certain user, that user will get banned even if they didn't do anything wrong.
Sort of. They would be unable to post for a short period of time (aprox 1 hour). All their posts would also be lapsed, not completely hidden.
Sounds good to me.

It would be like a super nice warning given to a member by other members of the community.


"This is not post worthy/bad/against the rules. Don't post things like this in the future, or a mod might ban/warn you."


I could so totally do that.

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Posted by: Tom T
Edit: The current problem isn't that people are unable to ignore something, it is that they choose not to.
Precisely. That is why this feature has a chance to actually help. People who don't ignore things now will have no excuse not to ignore it if we had this. They will all be expected to report or ignore and move on.

I know I'm nothing more than a broken record by repeating this so many times, but it looks like it warrants repeating.

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Posted by: Tom T
Edit: The current problem isn't that people are unable to ignore something, it is that they choose not to.
Precisely. That is why this feature has a chance to actually help. People who don't ignore things now will have no excuse not to ignore it if we had this. They will all be expected to report or ignore and move on.

I know I'm nothing more than a broken record by repeating this so many times, but it looks like it warrants repeating.

I wish the report button did what TomT's ignore feature would do, in terms of hiding ALL posts for a specific amount of time.

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Posted by: dmg04

Posted by: evilcam

Posted by: Tom T
Edit: The current problem isn't that people are unable to ignore something, it is that they choose not to.
Precisely. That is why this feature has a chance to actually help. People who don't ignore things now will have no excuse not to ignore it if we had this. They will all be expected to report or ignore and move on.

I know I'm nothing more than a broken record by repeating this so many times, but it looks like it warrants repeating.

I wish the report button did what TomT's ignore feature would do, in terms of hiding ALL posts for a specific amount of time.
If any hiding is done with the report button, I'd like there to be an option between hiding just the reported post and hiding all the user's posts.

In regard to shock spammers, I'd very much like to block all their posts, but the occasional wrong forum or singular flame/troll post in a thread doesn't really warrant hiding everything, IMO.

  • 12.15.2011 5:39 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

I'll trim down the quote to some salient points here. On the rest of your post I didn't quote (and to respond to others in this thread), let me just say that saying "people should just ignore posts they don't like" is really not helpful. Of course people should do that. They don't. Pretending they do leads us to where we are now.

1. Other users aren't limiting an ignored user's speech. What is true now would still be true - nobody is forced to read your posts. We'd just be giving you a tool to make it easier not to read stuff from people who don't want to see (for whatever reason, however stupid it might be).

2. You seem to be assuming that an ignore feature would exist in a vacuum, that we couldn't make other kinds of methods to customize your view. Remember how I described the basic problem we're trying to solve. This feature would only be one component of any effort we may (or may not) take towards solving that.

3. That is out of scope for this particular thread, as is thoughts about ways to tag content, user generated or otherwise. We're talking about filtering out a particular user's contributions on a per-viewer basis. Let's try to keep it to that.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
1) We shouldn't allow users to limit other user speech solely based on the users ideas or feelings. Its easier to scroll past something you dislike.

2) If what we're talking about here is a way to get users to focus on content easier than I support a filtration system. As long as we're again not allowing people to cherry-pick how they interact with the global community. If you want people to experience group-like levels of interaction why not overhaul and advertise groups for this purpose? They're perfect!

3) We should find a way to spark community activity again. Either user created content: stories, games, contests, etc., or Bungie created material (which DeeJ has been doing [great job so far]).

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
What does the ignore feature truly accomplish? Why do we truly need it? How will it be implemented? How will it be controlled against abuse? Etc.

When you start to break the idea down to its most basic principles it suddenly becomes ridiculous.

This feature, as far as I see it, in no way establishes a way to enrich community discussion. Its sole purpose is to stifle discussion by allowing users to filter content into what they want to see.


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Sometimes I wonder why you defend ideas so vigilantly when it sometimes seems that you have no intention of implementing them, not regarding this thread.
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Why does it matter? Although I disagree with him, his insistence is admirable. He said he may or may not look into this. He's defending the concept.
Posted by: kashinfist
Sometimes I wonder why you defend ideas so vigilantly when it sometimes seems that you have no intention of implementing them, not regarding this thread.
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It doesn't matter, but he has changed my opinion on this matter and I often see him promoting any form of change. I was curious, that's all.
Posted by: ctjl96
Why does it matter? Although I disagree with him, his insistence is admirable. He said he may or may not look into this. He's defending the concept.

  • 12.15.2011 5:52 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Intentions, schedules, priorities, and goals change over time, and generally I can only share you with vague intentions in advance, not the rest of the list above.

Many of you have strong opinions on how this place should work, and I feel it is important to engage with you about those opinions.

One side effect of this is sometimes we'll talk about things that won't ever come to pass, after considering all the options. This may or may not be one of those times. Bungie.net is in a time of transition, so it seems appropriate to talk about changing the status quo before anything we do decide to change is past the point where we can really do anything about your feedback.

That, and I like talking about this stuff - its fun, and you guys are doing a good job not making it personal - well, most of you. FYI: If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, keep it to yourself. Anyway, it is my job to think about this stuff, after all. Ideas generally get better as you iterate on them, and this place makes a great sounding board. People have already pointed out things I hadn't considered, which is always cool.
Posted by: kashinfist
Sometimes I wonder why you defend ideas so vigilantly when it sometimes seems that you have no intention of implementing them, not regarding this thread.


[Edited on 12.15.2011 5:55 PM PST]

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I'm still not sure how I feel about this. It would probably be better if it were actually implemented, though.
Posted by: kashinfist
It doesn't matter, but he has changed my opinion on this matter and I often see him promoting any form of change. I was curious, that's all.
Posted by: ctjl96
Why does it matter? Although I disagree with him, his insistence is admirable. He said he may or may not look into this. He's defending the concept.

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Posted by: Achronos

1) I can't counter this point. I took the idea to an extreme. Mea culpa.

2) I haven't tried to assume anything. If I have then I have failed in communicating. It seems I've had my argument(s) crushed.

3) My main concern here is that this helps the community and promotes discussion. If you can guarantee that I'll be on board. I guess I would say I am skeptical now more than opposed to the idea.

I feel as though everything that is said on the "global" level is important for the community to digest. So perhaps, afterall, my argument has been based on a personal opinion? Go figure.

If we are to have an ignore feature I would like to see it similar to the collapsible posts that get reported. Perhaps have an option to collapse all of an user's posts or just a single post.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 6:10 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 6:08 PM PDT

It's actually comforting to know you guys are listening to our suggestions.
Posted by: Achronos
Intentions, schedules, priorities, and goals change over time, and generally I can only share you with vague intentions in advance, not the rest of the list above.

Many of you have strong opinions on how this place should work, and I feel it is important to engage with you about those opinions.

One side effect of this is sometimes we'll talk about things that won't ever come to pass, after considering all the options. This may or may not be one of those times. Bungie.net is in a time of transition, so it seems appropriate to talk about changing the status quo before anything we do decide to change is past the point where we can really do anything about your feedback.

That, and I like talking about this stuff - its fun, and you guys are doing a good job not making it personal - well, most of you. FYI: If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, keep it to yourself. Anyway, it is my job to think about this stuff, after all. Ideas generally get better as you iterate on them, and this place makes a great sounding board. People have already pointed out things I hadn't considered, which is always cool.
Posted by: kashinfist
Sometimes I wonder why you defend ideas so vigilantly when it sometimes seems that you have no intention of implementing them, not regarding this thread.

  • 12.15.2011 6:36 PM PDT

Key

Posted by: Tom T

Response to Point 1 (to paraphrase: Adding a few users to a list won't change your experience that much) . I guarantee you that if I simply put 3 users on that ignore list my forumgoing experience would be so much better.

Response to Point 2. (Self moderation) In favor. Really truly can't add anything.

Response to Point 3. Again, agreed. If that many people who have a high trust rating, (maybe people who meet the requirements for "not banned for 'x' time' titles like honored and exalted?) report your post(s) then you probably deserve a ban/warning.

If I may add, just as an idea, maybe if you received, say, at least 6 reports on your post by (trusted) members within 6 hours of posting it (allowing for timezones differentials), you get a warning issued to you. Of course these would have to be reports that are categorized by the type of offense from a list (and it would have to be at least 6 reports that were for the same offense).

There. The ideas are a little jumbled up as I'm typing on a mobile so not lots of revision took place and the ideas are organized by when they popped into my head... but... whatever... And, I know it seems a little imbalanced and ineffective (what with the reports having to be categorized in the same offense and all), but, it IS a system of community moderation. Not the main system of moderation on the site. If it were the latter, I would have spent more than 5 minutes fleshing out the idea and making it suck less.

  • 12.15.2011 6:43 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

We always listen. We may come to different conclusions (usually because we have access to data and experience you don't), but your input is important to us.

Posted by: ctjl96
It's actually comforting to know you guys are listening to our suggestions.

  • 12.15.2011 7:07 PM PDT

Well, since you guys rarely actually provide feedback in our threads, it's rather hard to know that you notice, y'know?
Posted by: Achronos
We always listen. We may come to different conclusions (usually because we have access to data and experience you don't), but your input is important to us.

Posted by: ctjl96
It's actually comforting to know you guys are listening to our suggestions.

  • 12.15.2011 7:18 PM PDT

If this is the state of my art, then I secede.

Posted by: Achronos
We always listen. We may come to different conclusions (usually because we have access to data and experience you don't), but your input is important to us.

Posted by: ctjl96
It's actually comforting to know you guys are listening to our suggestions.
I don't always quote employees, but when I do, I make sure to quote them the correct way.

OT: I'm still waiting for the like button. The ignore feature must take lower priority than the like button.

  • 12.15.2011 7:18 PM PDT

I don't always quote employees, but when I do, I do it in the same format that they do so as to ensure a more readable quote list.

OT: lol I would die if there was a like button
Posted by: UnderTheKnif3
Posted by: Achronos
We always listen. We may come to different conclusions (usually because we have access to data and experience you don't), but your input is important to us.

Posted by: ctjl96
It's actually comforting to know you guys are listening to our suggestions.
I don't always quote employees, but when I do, I make sure to quote them the correct way.

OT: I'm still waiting for the like button. The ignore feature must take lower priority than the like button.


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What does quoting "correctly" have to do with anything?

What makes you so sure that either of those features will be implemented?
Posted by: UnderTheKnif3
I don't always quote employees, but when I do, I make sure to quote them the correct way.

OT: I'm still waiting for the like button. The ignore feature must take lower priority than the like button.

  • 12.15.2011 7:22 PM PDT

If this is the state of my art, then I secede.

Posted by: Izak609
What does quoting "correctly" have to do with anything?

What makes you so sure that either of those features will be implemented?
Posted by: UnderTheKnif3
I don't always quote employees, but when I do, I make sure to quote them the correct way.

OT: I'm still waiting for the like button. The ignore feature must take lower priority than the like button.
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Posted by: UnderTheKnif3
Perhaps I should take the time to write a recap for this topic (in this topic) so we don't end up arguing the same points over and over.

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