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Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: spartain ken 15
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you are saying if a group of "trusted users" repeatedly ignored/reported a certain user, that user will get banned even if they didn't do anything wrong.
Sort of. They would be unable to post for a short period of time (aprox 1 hour). All their posts would also be lapsed, not completely hidden.


Could this lead to a cliche using this feature in improper ways and targeting someone they don't like?

  • 12.15.2011 7:41 PM PDT

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I'd play along, but I don't really know you.
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You should, I hear I'm a great guy.

  • 12.15.2011 7:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
We always listen. We may come to different conclusions (usually because we have access to data and experience you don't), but your input is important to us.

Posted by: ctjl96
It's actually comforting to know you guys are listening to our suggestions.


Thank you for considering our suggestions.

  • 12.15.2011 7:43 PM PDT


Posted by: natedogr

Posted by: Tom T
Posted by: spartain ken 15
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you are saying if a group of "trusted users" repeatedly ignored/reported a certain user, that user will get banned even if they didn't do anything wrong.
Sort of. They would be unable to post for a short period of time (aprox 1 hour). All their posts would also be lapsed, not completely hidden.


Could this lead to a cliche using this feature in improper ways and targeting someone they don't like?


People already ignore (or flame) other users that they don't like. This would make them easier to ignore and less easy to flame.

  • 12.15.2011 9:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
In essence people pissing you off could be seen as an educational excercise.
Is it also educational for me to read about how how someone is constantly taking arrows to their knee while they and their Bronies do barrel rolls watching My Little Pony on Xbox.com with an overdubbed "You spin me right 'round" in the background?
Yes.
>_>

The only variation of this idea that might work if implemented directly to the site would be to filter out posts with certain content rather than certain users, like filtering out a post which has the words "JOHN+CENA" in them over several times, or filtering out certain links, or just filtering out repeating loops of words so you don't get walls of text people posted as a joke.I like this.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 11:10 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 10:59 PM PDT
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I'm not going to discuss the ignore feature much as I feel that has gone in circles and has run it's course. What I WILL discuss is the problem Achronos presented.

Ach said that he wants more than just a simply "block" feature, he'd like for us to filter entire forums. He said that for Halo 2 they had to create two separate forums: one for story, the other for gameplay. Eventually they morphed into one. At the time it was probably a good idea...still is to some extent, but it seems archaic to me.

What I would like to see implemented is a tagging system. This idea has been brought up before, but I had more ideas on how it could work with this supposed filtering system.

1) All current (when they edit) and future threads would be required to categorized and/or tag their thread. Say I was in the Halo Reach forum. I want to discuss the story, so when I select the category and/or add a tag, those searching for topics about the story will be able to see my thread.

2) Forums themselves would have some kind of filtering system. Basically, I'd be able to select a category of what I want to discuss. The Community Forum, for example, would have a list or some kind of system where I'd be able to select what I want to discuss. Future Website Features, Community, Website Issues, etc. Bad examples, but my point is that I'd be able to find what I want to find in that general area. There would still be active threads, and the default category would show all threads, but there would be more threads, or at least more activity in active threads, than there would currently be.

3) Guess I'm discussing the ignore feature...or at least some variation of the "report" button. Currently, we have a very simple procedure where, if you report a post, it gets sent to a queue that ninjas go through and they decide what happens from there. The reported user may be warned, banned, or nothing can happen to them. Unfortunately, there are a few negatives to this system.

The first being that when you report a post, nothing happens. People want something to happen almost instantly nowadays. "Posted reported" doesn't cut it, as the user can still see the thread. The second negative is that every post has to have a certain number of reports before it even gets sent to the queue, which infuriates people since they still see the post they reported.

What I propose is simple: when you report a post, it disappears from your view. If you refresh the page, it is still gone (or at least collapsed). It won't be gone on other people's screens unless they report it as well, but to you it is gone. This seems to solves both negative's that I find with the system. The first being that something happens instantly, and the second being that they will no longer see the post (it will still require a certain number of reports of course). I believe with this implemented, we would see far more reports being issued. Whether Ach wants that is not is not really known....

Ignoring or "blocking" users would use the same type of system, but I'm still debating whether the ninjas should be a part of it...when we visit the queue, would be have to look at a few users because a lot of people ignored them?

I think I'm done...if I have another idea I'll post it laterz. Thoughts?

  • 12.15.2011 11:36 PM PDT

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the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

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Posted by: evilcam
I ostensibly agree. The issue is, not many people seem to be able to do that. My support for this idea stems from the feature making it so that people always remembered they'd be able to ignore what they don't like. Not enough of us seem to ignore now. If given a built in feature, there would be no excuse.
A less serious suggestion: have an ignore button next to the report button that takes the user back to the forum topics so they can't flame.
Posted by: Duardo
What I propose is simple: when you report a post, it disappears from your view. If you refresh the page, it is still gone (or at least collapsed). It won't be gone on other people's screens unless they report it as well, but to you it is gone. This seems to solves both negative's that I find with the system. The first being that something happens instantly, and the second being that they will no longer see the post (it will still require a certain number of reports of course). I believe with this implemented, we would see far more reports being issued. Whether Ach wants that is not is not really known....
I think that this could lead to a large increase in the number of reports, but I don't know if this would be a major problem for the mods because, as you seem to suggest, it takes more than 1 report to get a post noticed.

Things seem a bit stagnent right now. Time for some more summing up?

-I can see no major problems for this system if it only minimizes posts instead of making them disappear entirely. Like this. This way, there would be a very low chance of someone getting mislead in a thread because they couldn't see and important post.
-IMO, the 'ignore' should only last a certain amount of time (2 weeks, 1 month...whatever) before it expires and the user is un-ignored. This way, after a while, the user gets a second chance for others to see if they have changed or are still as worthy of being ignored.
-Perhaps there could be different types of ignores that the 'ignorer' could choose when the decide to ignore someone.
(Ignore in this thread, Ignore in this forum, Ignore everywhere)
-Any maybe, the ignore feature could have a (30 sec, 1 min...whatever) cooldown so that would most likely not just ignore willy nilly for people with different opinions. This is a big maybe though. I don't understand the effects of this, it's just an idea.

Overall, I do think that people should just be able to ignore something themselves but, as is fairly evident, this is not so.
Therefore, this feature could help to improve the situation as there is little chance of everyone suddenly becoming mature enough to ignore other people of their own accord.
If this feature then was to be implemented, that is what I think would make it the most effective without causing or increasing too many problems.

Maybe I'm missing a major point or something but, right now, this is all I can think of.

[Edited on 12.16.2011 3:21 AM PST]

  • 12.16.2011 2:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: kashinfist
Legitimate, but half the time that's considered spam.
Posted by: Zealot Tony
What if I were to say someone being constantly annoying?

What if I were to say someone who constantly posts the letter 'e' in the responses?

See, many people believe that the community will be severely effected by the implementation of this feature. What I personally think, is that it will do the opposite. What can destroy a community is the constant flaming, idiotic arguments, the "bad" kind of trolling, ect...which is seen nearly every single day on these forums (especially as the population seems to infinitely increase).

The ignore feature can reduce all these problems. You'd be surprised about what can irritate people to the edges of insanity, and I'm pretty sure some of these reasons would carry into the forums. Some can handle it and constantly let it roll off their back, others cannot - it is all dependent on the person.

The irritations which people can't handle, can easily transition into arguments, flaming, trolling, or anything which can effect a community like this one in a negative way. With this feature, a user can block someone who constantly agitates or irritates them - for whatever reason, whether you like it or not - ergo possibly reducing the prevalence of these problems. Person A has the ability to block Person B for reason C, while Person B has the ability to block Person A for reason D.

I wouldn't mind seeing a test run on this idea (for approximately 1-2 months?) to deduce how it exactly does effect this community.

[Edited on 12.16.2011 3:02 AM PST]

  • 12.16.2011 2:58 AM PDT

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The issue here is control. I may be wrong, but I feel like the content people are trying to control is very difficult to do. People want to block out the serious spammers and trolls that plague the forum from time to time, whether it be a Cena wannabe or whatever.

See here's the problem. Ignoring that user isn't helpful. The account will be permenantly banned in a short time. Ignoring it does nothing except maybe speed up the process of removing it from sight by 15 or 20 minutes or so. The next time this sort of spamming takes place again, it will be by a new, throw away account. One that is not previously ignored.

Only members who value their on-line account as their Bnet persona will be functionally "ignorable."

So the real solution to this problem of getting the spam out of people's face is to make the account more valuable for the user. I believe Recon called it "baking the cookie." It is the only way to make features like ignoring consistently have the desired effect.

  • 12.16.2011 9:29 AM PDT

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Spam accounts are made just to spam, and the creator expects them to be banned, how would making them "value" the account change anything?
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
So the real solution to this problem of getting the spam out of people's face is to make the account more valuable for the user. I believe Recon called it "baking the cookie." It is the only way to make features like ignoring consistently have the desired effect.

  • 12.16.2011 10:46 AM PDT
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You just answered your own question. You said that they spam because they don't value their account, then asked what making them value their accounts would change. Am I missing something?
Posted by: kashinfist
Spam accounts are made just to spam, and the creator expects them to be banned, how would making them "value" the account change anything?

  • 12.16.2011 10:48 AM PDT

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Yes, I meant to say they're not going to. They can create another account by disabling cookies, and they all know that. They have no regard for they're account, if they had the intention of spamming.
Posted by: Izak609
You just answered your own question. You said that they spam because they don't value their account, then asked what making them value their accounts would change. Am I missing something?

  • 12.16.2011 10:52 AM PDT

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I'd like to extend the function of this idea. Ignoring moderators allows you to ignore bans.

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  • 12.16.2011 10:52 AM PDT

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IgnoreFeature[i]=(IgnorerRights[i]-IgnoreeComplaints[i])/2;
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IgnoreFeatureDecision = Sum[IgnoreFeature]/n;


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>> Error: Convergence of IgnoreFeature is impossible. Recommend deleting IgnoreeComplaints variable



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  • 12.16.2011 11:03 AM PDT
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Perhaps, but a quick ban usually fixes that kind of problem.
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
It's users like this that warrant some form of censorship.

  • 12.16.2011 9:44 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

Posted by: kashinfist
Yes, I meant to say they're not going to. They can create another account by disabling cookies, and they all know that. They have no regard for they're account, if they had the intention of spamming.
Posted by: Izak609
You just answered your own question. You said that they spam because they don't value their account, then asked what making them value their accounts would change. Am I missing something?
IP Bans :)

  • 12.16.2011 10:17 PM PDT

feartehstickman...
Posted by: toxicpanther615
the only problem i have with mine is that it's unstable,[very shakey],so you'd need a tripod for it.

Posted by: CJ Olvaid 360
Just drink a beer and everything will be ok

It appears this thread has come to a relative standstill. What happens now? Does it just fade into obscurity until it's revived in 2 months?

Do we have a general consensus on if this is good/bad or how it would be implemented, if it were to be.

  • 12.16.2011 10:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Domi 233
It appears this thread has come to a relative standstill. What happens now? Does it just fade into obscurity until it's revived in 2 months?

Do we have a general consensus on if this is good/bad or how it would be implemented, if it were to be.
Most people think it's good but there's a few who think that it'd be bad simply because they know they'd get ignored, or because they think it'd break the community (this generally coming from a lack of understanding of the idea itself).

I think the general consensus at this point is that it's a good idea.

  • 12.17.2011 7:08 AM PDT

Posted by: Breadisgood91
I find it easy enough to ignore people with the power of my mind.

  • 12.17.2011 8:40 AM PDT

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Bungie can't do that.
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IP Bans :)

  • 12.17.2011 9:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Even more reason we need an ignore feature.


I think that issue is more for the use of a report button. IDK, many of the reasons I have seen for a "ignore" feature can be solved by simply.

A. Not clicking on the thread
B. Using the report button
C. using "self control"
D. not accepting another user's opinion based on personal views of them rather than what they have posted in that instance.

This is just my observation of the thread so far.

  • 12.17.2011 9:10 AM PDT