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In circles again? How many times have these points been brought up and defended?
Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think that issue is more for the use of a report button. IDK, many of the reasons I have seen for a "ignore" feature can be solved by simply.

A. Not clicking on the thread
B. Using the report button
C. using "self control"
D. not accepting another user's opinion based on personal views of them rather than what they have posted in that instance.

This is just my observation of the thread so far.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Even more reason we need an ignore feature.
I think that issue is more for the use of a report button. IDK, many of the reasons I have seen for a "ignore" feature can be solved by simply.

A. Not clicking on the thread
B. Using the report button
C. using "self control"
D. not accepting another user's opinion based on personal views of them rather than what they have posted in that instance.

This is just my observation of the thread so far.
A. Oh but Ken that's censorship! We can't have that, you've been fighting against that this whole thread! If we don't click on the thread, then we must be excluding them from the community by not reading their comments!
Right? I mean, that's your arguements against the feature.

B. Annoying =/= Against the rules, the primary goal of this feature won't be rule enforcement, that's what the report system is for and is an entirely different discussion.

C. Some people have trouble with that, as they should.
Similar to how a english teacher might get annoyed by horrible spelling or a collector of action figures might get annoyed if you take something out of it's packaging, some people's stupidity annoy others, it's understandable, they value intelligence and to see a human so out of touch with reality is irritating. More applicablly here people who ass kiss the mods might annoy people who don't because the people who don't understand the mods are just members of the community that are equally as fallible as everyone else.

D. I don't see how this ties in at all, most people are annoyed by the content of the posts, rather than simply the poster posting. The reason someone would use this feature is because the other user's "opinion" is consistently "wrong" or flat out annoying, not because they found one comment annoying or because they loathe the person.

  • 12.17.2011 12:01 PM PDT

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In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
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Posted by: MURDUR 587
The reason someone would use this feature is because the other user's "opinion" is consistently "wrong" or flat out annoying, not because they found one comment annoying or because they loathe the person.


To be fair an opinion can't be wrong becuase it is an OPINION. But I guess if someone is too annoying that you could ignore them, but you don't necessarily need a feature for it.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
To be fair an opinion can't be wrong becuase it is an OPINION. But I guess if someone is too annoying that you could ignore them, but you don't necessarily need a feature for it.
Oh an opinion can be wrong, I can have a opinion that 2+2=5 or that a dragon is in my basement.

Also why not have a useful feature?
Technically this whole site isn't necessary, but it's a nice feature.

  • 12.17.2011 12:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
To be fair an opinion can't be wrong becuase it is an OPINION. But I guess if someone is too annoying that you could ignore them, but you don't necessarily need a feature for it.
Oh an opinion can be wrong, I can have a opinion that 2+2=5 or that a dragon is in my basement.

Also why not have a useful feature?
Technically this whole site isn't necessary, but it's a nice feature.
It is my humble opinion that dollar bills are made from the bones of pink elephants.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: MURDUR 587
The reason someone would use this feature is because the other user's "opinion" is consistently "wrong" or flat out annoying, not because they found one comment annoying or because they loathe the person.


To be fair an opinion can't be wrong becuase it is an OPINION. But I guess if someone is too annoying that you could ignore them, but you don't necessarily need a feature for it.


It's funny that you're so against a feature only because it would be directly used against you. Any time there's been disagreements about new features to the site, you say something along the lines of change not being bad, the features wouldn't hurt anything, it would only improve B.net, et al. If someone is annoying enough to warrant an 'ignore', for many users simply bypassing that annoying user wouldn't be enough because they still have to filter past the drivel that the annoying user is posting. It's like if there's a fly constantly flying in front of your television. Would you rather keep trying to wave your hands and shoo it away, only to have it fly back in 10 seconds, or would you rather pick up a flyswatter and kill the damn thing so it won't bother you anymore?

  • 12.17.2011 12:11 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: MURDUR 587
Posted by: spartain ken 15
To be fair an opinion can't be wrong becuase it is an OPINION. But I guess if someone is too annoying that you could ignore them, but you don't necessarily need a feature for it.
Oh an opinion can be wrong, I can have a opinion that 2+2=5 or that a dragon is in my basement.

Also why not have a useful feature?
Technically this whole site isn't necessary, but it's a nice feature.


That is not what an opinion is. An opinion is how you feel about something, you are telling me a lie.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
That is not what an opinion is. An opinion is how you feel about something, you are telling me a lie.
That is your opinion. That opinion, however, is wrong.

A opinion is a belief, I can believe that there's a dragon in my basement, that is an opinion.


You know it's funny, by simply arguing that my opinion (that a opinion can wrong), is wrong you are validating that opinion. You cannot falsify my claims without falsifying your own.

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  • 12.17.2011 12:23 PM PDT

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Opinions can't be wrong.
What you are saying are incorrect facts.
Goodbye.
Posted by: MURDUR 587
That is your opinion. That opinion, however, is wrong.

A opinion is a belief, I can believe that there's a dragon in my basement, that is an opinion.


You know it's funny, by simply arguing that my opinion (that a opinion can wrong), is wrong you are validating that opinion. You cannot falsify my claims without falsifying your own.

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Posted by: kashinfist
Opinions can't be wrong.
What you are saying are incorrect facts.
Goodbye.
That is your opinion, which is wrong.

  • 12.17.2011 12:54 PM PDT

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Opinion:A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge (This is from google's dictionary. Here's proof.)

Therefore, the statement:

I believe that there is presently a dragon in my butt.

..is an opinion. It is also, however, very very wrong.

/conversation
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Ok then, so how should such a feature work if it was ever implemented?

I'll look through the thread and look for examples.
(I haven't actually read the whole thing. :S)

Ooooh I like this one.
Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
I would much like a collapse feature.

See that down arrow all the way to the right of my title bar?

It could use an up arrow next to it that gave the options to report the post, to collapse just the post you click on, or all posts by this user.

And then they'd just look like an automatically-collapsed post, except with a name on it somewhere. The report option would not collapse the post- those functions should be kept separate.


The primary reason for its placement on the title bar is so that you don't have to scroll all the way down the wall of "JOHNCENA" copy-pasted to block it.

Interesting ...
Posted by: R3ACTlON
I had a thought:

How about when someone makes a thread (or maybe even a post...?), they have the ability to put an icon next to it that dictates the type of discussion within? Such as an icon for "Serious" topics and an icon for "Not Serious" topics. I'd much rather be able to ignore crap threads full of spam and popularity contests than being able to ignore specific posts, considering the types of posts that I want to ignore often happen in those types of threads (created by the OP or through derailment). There would be no fragmentation of discussion in threads due to the ignore feature. (though actual discussion outside of trying to appear "In" rarely occurs.)
Posted by: Scapegoat413
So why not just collapse a person's post when they are on your ignore list? That way you know they posted, and if you really want to know what they said you don't have to unignore them, read the post and then reignore them.

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Or this Daz, when you click on the signature drop tab on the profile there's an ignore icon. By doing this a cookie is placed on your browser and each time that user posts they will appear in a collapsed state with a message on it stating "you have flagged this user" or something like that. Of course you can manually reveal it just like a reported post.

Posted by: SkilPhil
How about if the 'report' button collapsed the post automatically (for the person who clicked it), as well as collapsing for all members after a certain number of reports are made.

Maybe you could have a drop down on the report button that says:

'Collapse post'
'Collapse all posts from user in this thread'
'Collapse all posts from user'
Posted by: Scapegoat413
So why not just collapse a person's post when they are on your ignore list? That way you know they posted, and if you really want to know what they said you don't have to unignore them, read the post and then reignore them.

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Or this Daz, when you click on the signature drop tab on the profile there's an ignore icon. By doing this a cookie is placed on your browser and each time that user posts they will appear in a collapsed state with a message on it stating "you have flagged this user" or something like that. Of course you can manually reveal it just like a reported post.

Posted by: SkilPhil
How about if the 'report' button collapsed the post automatically (for the person who clicked it), as well as collapsing for all members after a certain number of reports are made.

Maybe you could have a drop down on the report button that says:

'Collapse post'
'Collapse all posts from user in this thread'
'Collapse all posts from user'
Ah this is a pain, could anyone take over? I got to page 6ish.

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Let's stop going in circles at least.

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Posted by: Duardo
Let's stop going in circles at least.

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Posted by: Duardo
I feel my post on the previous page was entirely skipped. Sadface.

Let's stop going in circles at least.
Oh sorry, I like the idea, although it depends how it's done.

Systems like that tend to get ... cluttered.


As for the report post part, definitely, I feel that's how the report system should have started off.

  • 12.17.2011 2:29 PM PDT

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I've mentioned circles at least four times :/
Posted by: Duardo
I feel my post on the previous page was entirely skipped. Sadface.

Let's stop going in circles at least.

I saw your post, and agreed with it. Hard to respond to something so large.

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Posted by: Raptorx7
I agree an ignore feature would be nice.

This is exactly what I was thinking....

  • 12.17.2011 4:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
What I would like to see implemented is a tagging system. This idea has been brought up before, but I had more ideas on how it could work with this supposed filtering system.

1) All current (when they edit) and future threads would be required to categorized and/or tag their thread. Say I was in the Halo Reach forum. I want to discuss the story, so when I select the category and/or add a tag, those searching for topics about the story will be able to see my thread.

I see this done in some private groups and separate forums.
So for example when you make a thread it has drop down menu with certain things like Co-op and Video etc...

So something like [Video]Nightfall Legendary. Where the "Video" part is the tag.

Posted by: Duardo
2) Forums themselves would have some kind of filtering system. Basically, I'd be able to select a category of what I want to discuss. The Community Forum, for example, would have a list or some kind of system where I'd be able to select what I want to discuss. Future Website Features, Community, Website Issues, etc. Bad examples, but my point is that I'd be able to find what I want to find in that general area. There would still be active threads, and the default category would show all threads, but there would be more threads, or at least more activity in active threads, than there would currently be.

What I gather you are suggesting from this is that when you go into a forum there is a drop down menu that has a list of tags that corresponds with the type of posts in the forums. So say you wanted to find Videos you would select Video from the drop down menu and it would eliminate all other threads that didn't have that tag and show the newest threads with that tag. Like what is currently done in the forums with every post.

Posted by: Duardo
3) Guess I'm discussing the ignore feature...or at least some variation of the "report" button. Currently, we have a very simple procedure where, if you report a post, it gets sent to a queue that ninjas go through and they decide what happens from there. The reported user may be warned, banned, or nothing can happen to them. Unfortunately, there are a few negatives to this system.

The first being that when you report a post, nothing happens. People want something to happen almost instantly nowadays. "Posted reported" doesn't cut it, as the user can still see the thread. The second negative is that every post has to have a certain number of reports before it even gets sent to the queue, which infuriates people since they still see the post they reported.

What I propose is simple: when you report a post, it disappears from your view. If you refresh the page, it is still gone (or at least collapsed). It won't be gone on other people's screens unless they report it as well, but to you it is gone. This seems to solves both negative's that I find with the system. The first being that something happens instantly, and the second being that they will no longer see the post (it will still require a certain number of reports of course). I believe with this implemented, we would see far more reports being issued. Whether Ach wants that is not is not really known....

I think it would be better though if the Report and Block/Collapse systems were separated. I can see instances where a thread may not be breaking the rules but I just don't want to see it. I don't want to report the thread but just hide it from my view.

Posted by: Duardo
Ignoring or "blocking" users would use the same type of system, but I'm still debating whether the ninjas should be a part of it...when we visit the queue, would be have to look at a few users because a lot of people ignored them?

I think I'm done...if I have another idea I'll post it laterz. Thoughts?

Can't really comment on this since I don't really know how the moderation system works.

  • 12.17.2011 5:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
Ignoring or "blocking" users would use the same type of system, but I'm still debating whether the ninjas should be a part of it...when we visit the queue, would be have to look at a few users because a lot of people ignored them?

I want absolutely no part of that. If a system like this were implemented, people could ignore anyone for anything. "Anything" is just that; doesn't automatically mean rule-breaking.

I don't think any of us would want to be sifting through someone's posts to investigate the possibility that they may have broken a rule at some point, which may or may not be trivial and not even worth the time you spent locating said post(s).

I do like the idea of reporting a post, and having it hidden from your view only.

  • 12.17.2011 5:35 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
I think that issue is more for the use of a report button. IDK, many of the reasons I have seen for a "ignore" feature can be solved by simply.

A. Not clicking on the thread



It is not always the author of the thread that you want to ignore.


B. Using the report button


It is not always the rule breakers that you want to ignore.


C. using "self control"


It is not that users cannot control themselves, but that they don't want to be inundated with endless crap.


D. not accepting another user's opinion based on personal views of them rather than what they have posted in that instance.


It has nothing to do with accepting the other person's views. If their views are 99.9% crap, there is no reason to even give them credence.

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
not accepting another user's opinion based on personal views of them rather than what they have posted in that instance.
Can you elaborate on this one?

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i rarely visit the mains anymore simply because of the spam and because of the members who i personally consider to be degrading my experience on this site.

i support this feature for many of the reasons that have already been brought to light. the main reason is because it's completely personal and my blocking of individuals only effects my experience. that, and the fact that if you don't like this feature then you don't have to use it. it seems, as i understand it, to be more of a personal tool.

it seems to me that if users are singled out and blocked by a large number of other users there is a reason. the blocked user might not agree with those reasons and may not be breaking any rules but that's irrelevant because you don't have to break the rules to be degrading other people's experience. a blocked users experience isn't effected negatively, in fact, being blocked might be something that helps the victim (for lack of a better word or i'm just too stupid to think of a better word) which is an argument that has already been brought up.

ultimately, i see far more positive things coming from a feature like this than negative.

i read all of this thread and i fear that i'm not contributing much other than a +1 but i personally would use a feature like this for, not only to block users i personally find useless, but for situations like what we see when a new bungie game drops. the reach forum, although similar to when h2 and h3 dropped, was one of the most disgusting things i've seen since dmg04 text me a picture of his Mom naked on a trampoline.

it would have been nice during the reach release days (and the games prior) if i could block users, or entire threads for that matter, so that i can filter out what i personally considered useful or entertaining or atleast have some sort of tool to help filter my experience especially if it doesn't effect what other people see on their screens. for every one good bloom thread or armor lock thread there were, and still are, hundreds of nonsense copycat threads.

anyways, i don't want to ramble or be another echo so i'll stop now but i really do like this idea. enough to make me actually post something in the mains and contribute. if this were implemented i would probably visit the mains again much more or at least feel like i have some sort of tool to elevate my personal experience.

  • 12.18.2011 2:15 AM PDT
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People who ignore users will confuse themselves and make countless useless posts.

*Ignored a user 5 minutes ago.
*Someone else responds to said user.
*They ask what is happening and they don't understand/insult/etc.

Happens all the time on any site that contains an ignore feature, a lot of users would lack common sense.

Those users who need an ignore feature and can't do it manually are the ones who would be confused, generally speaking.

[Edited on 12.18.2011 2:37 AM PST]

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