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Subject: Mass Effect 3 beat out Halo 4 for the title of Most Anticipated Game

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Okay..? And that's my opinion (supported by facts) on the matter. Problem?

[Edited on 12.14.2011 1:45 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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I don't think that you quite understand the situation, here. 343i can have the most passionate team there is, but it's on Microsoft's time and money; and good Lord how they want more money. This is Microsoft's boat, and 343i would be careful not to rock it. This means a crazy-ass release schedule to churn out as many games as possible (I heard something about one game each year/and a half).

As for what they've already added to the universe? Yuck. I'm not even going to continue on with my opinions on what they've put out so far. It would be silly to argue about bad taste.

I never argued that Bungie's Halo was flawless. Reach was, in my opinion, a fantastic game. It's silly for people to get their panties in a bunch over a few bits of cannon. It was their last hoorah! for Halo. Why not go all out at the expense of a book? But this isn't about Bungie. It's about what 343i is doing with the IP they were handed.

I sound mean, I get it. But honestly, it would have been better for the integrity of the franchise to chronologically leave it at Halo 3. Halo is about the fight against the Flood and stopping the mass genocide of all sentient species in the galaxy.

The cliffhanger at the end of Halo 3 was on purpose. That's where the Master Chief should be: resting in our hearts after the fight was finished, not about starting another fight.

It's so hard to let go, especially with this beautiful and elegant universe Bungie left us with; something I had to come to terms with. But, for me, it's necessary. You're welcome to go ahead and buy Halo 4, that's not for me to choose for you. But I won't be touching it. Hell, I haven't touched my copy of CEA since I unwrapped it.

As weird as it sounds, I don't want 343i to crash and burn. As a fellow developer, I hope they prove me wrong. But as much as I try to, I have no faith in them.
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Posted by: cortana 5
Halo 4 is not my favorite game. I like Bungie's Halo, not this crap that 343i has been commissioned to churn out to make MS more money. I won't support the beating of a dead horse.

lolwut?

343 is continuing the storyline. Not making these games for money. They love Halo and want Chief's story to continue. Not to mention they have added great lore with the addition of Evolutions and, especially, Cryptum. Bungie showed with Reach that they care nothing for the story. They completely disregarded the Fall of Reach and 343 were the ones that had to try and fix the mistakes that Bungie did in Reach.

I'm not saying 343 will produce "teh best Haloz gaemes evarz." But, they were more true to Reach's story with one map pack then Bungie's entire Reach campaign.

  • 12.14.2011 2:38 PM PDT


Posted by: cortana 5

I stopped reading when you said Reach was a "fantastic" game, you are just a Bungie Fanboy admit it.

By far 343i is keeping well the storyline with Cryptum, CEA terminals, and their future games will tie with the books. However, you are too blinded with your fanboyism. you have no real argument to hate 343i when they hasn´t launched a game yet.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 2:53 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
I wouldn't have minded if Bungie disregarded the book and replaced it with a good story. Reach's campaign was just, "go here. do that. press this button. blow this up." There was no plot. Noble Team were all boring, one dimensional character. I can go on and on. There was so much potential and all they did was care for multiplayer...which they catered to the casuals. But, this is a whole different story and I'd be here all night.

Anyway, I realize that you wanted it to stop with Halo 3. The fight was finished, yadda yadda. But, what I find ridiculous is that you think 343i is just in this for the money. That's absurd. Even if you don't like the new material added to the Halo lore (which is a bit hard to believe considering all the different types of stories) it shows how much 343 cares for Halo. I think it's a bit much to say that they're only trying to milk the franchise. Sorry, but that's just...I don't know. Stupid to say.

  • 12.14.2011 5:09 PM PDT

Just going to say, plenty of Halo 1-3 was also "go here, do that, push this button and blow that up."

  • 12.14.2011 5:20 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

And the Reach defenders have come to play. (inbefore jerk instigator)

Halos 1 - 3 actually had a plot unlike Reach.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 5:41 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 5:33 PM PDT

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That's entirely debateable, as much of what has been learned, is from 1 and 3. Not to say that 2 isn't important and had an incredibly fun and epic campaign, but I felt that it was partly story stuffer. Some of the levels were also slightly repetitive, but at least for some of the "Push button" objectives, (unlike reach) you weren't always told what it would do, or after you do the thing, the game would throw a curveball at you. Reach's storyline wasn't that bad, if considered that the novel hadn't come out first.
Also I felt that in Reach, there was a missing level. At the part where you're supposed to defend Halsey, Cortana, and the Artifact, I felt that you should have fallen back into the structure to defend it, with Cortana and halsey at the core. This way they could have squeezed some obligatory forerunner structure into the game, which reach did not do.

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
And the Reach defenders have come to play. (inbefore jerk instigator)

Halos 1 - 3 actually had a plot unlike Reach.


Halo 3 was no better.

It just jumped right into everything and hit fast forward. I was atleast expecting to fight elites for a few levels until the arbiter came in and explained everything. Instead we just know that there is an alliance.

The entire point of the game is to get cortana (which the game didn't feel right without) then once again blow up an amazing structure you know nothing about. I was absolutely furious that the ark was destroyed after reading cryptum.


I could rant on but the main points are.

- The alliance with the elites was never explained nor did it have any anticipation towards. Not to mention they don't show other races siding with the elites due to "being too confusing for the players" which says alot about the fanbase.

- Once again, you don't see much impact on earth

- The Flood was a joke

- Lack of cortana had an impact

- and bungie being the Dev version of Micheal bay and making things just to blow them up.

  • 12.14.2011 7:11 PM PDT

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care to refute his arguments then? i bet you cant.

you only insult people and dont actually retort his arguments which are very thought out and intelligent. you just dimsiss as "if anyone thinks like that, they insane". if you took the time to read what he write, you would know mass effect has a very bad story


I have been debating with Rob for years and he still hasn't replied to the last debate Anton and i had with him.

You say I "only insult people" but "don't actually retort to his arguments"; are we talking about people or rob?

His entire post was about Mass effect 2 being more action based than story based. I and many others can agree with that and see where he is coming from, but overall mass effect gets into the characters and races more than halo since it is indeed an RPG game. Not only that it hasn't been around for ten years like halo nor does it have that much content out yet.

You cannot compare two completely different things with so many differences. Which is why I said "we laughed at the entire thing." Mass effect has an excellent story so far, we have yet to really see what mass effect is about.


And are you Robs B**** boy all of a sudden? You have seen one post of his now he is a god to you or something? Try thinking instead of blindly following.


Can i get a source saying miranda isn't in the next game? Roberto tends to make claims without sources.
I have to agree. Halo is an FPS and ME is a RPG. RPGs tend to have better skills with character development.

  • 12.14.2011 7:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
It just jumped right into everything and hit fast forward. I was atleast expecting to fight elites for a few levels until the arbiter came in and explained everything. Instead we just know that there is an alliance.

It is not really Bungie's fault though. They were probably capable of giving us a far better story, but thanks to the John-117 Boeotians, who moaned like the intellectual lightweights that they are without shame got the story of the Arbiter and the Elites side-lined. None of the stuff told to us in Conversations is made apparent, or the stuff about N'tho 'Sroam or even Truths motives for getting rid of them etc. All we are told in the Halo 3 manual is that, for some reason, Elites chose to ally with us. They only really appear for a grand total of 30 minutes in the whole entire game. Not even the Arbiter is around as much as he should be. Perhaps if it was made more clear then Glasslands would not be as much of an issue; having the facts as prosaic as possible rather than being consigned to obscurity.

Still, I think that the story of the original trilogy will ultimately remain atop what 343i can produce. Their standards do seem pretty low from the stuff they have been churning out lately. Bungie in comparison, when under pressure from development deadlines and suffering from an extremely low team moral half way through development managed to produce an excellent game in the end, Halo 2. If not for the Hollowman (Aka Master Chief) obsessed philistines chomping at Bungie's heels to remove the Arbiter and the "Dino's", Halo 3 could have been far better in my opinion. And Microsoft's deadlines did not help either.

  • 12.14.2011 7:58 PM PDT

"Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation."


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
It just jumped right into everything and hit fast forward. I was atleast expecting to fight elites for a few levels until the arbiter came in and explained everything. Instead we just know that there is an alliance.

It is not really Bungie's fault though. They were probably capable of giving us a far better story, but thanks to the John-117 Boeotians, who moaned like the intellectual lightweights that they are without shame got the story of the Arbiter and the Elites side-lined. None of the stuff told to us in Conversations is made apparent, or the stuff about N'tho 'Sroam or even Truths motives for getting rid of them etc. All we are told in the Halo 3 manual is that, for some reason, Elites chose to ally with us. They only really appear for a grand total of 30 minutes in the whole entire game. Not even the Arbiter is around as much as he should be. Perhaps if it was made more clear then Glasslands would not be as much of an issue; having the facts as prosaic as possible rather than being consigned to obscurity.

Still, I think that the story of the original trilogy will ultimately remain atop what 343i can produce. Their standards do seem pretty low from the stuff they have been churning out lately. Bungie in comparison, when under pressure from development deadlines and suffering from an extremely low team moral half way through development managed to produce an excellent game in the end, Halo 2. If not for the Hollowman (Aka Master Chief) obsessed philistines chomping at Bungie's heels to remove the Arbiter and the "Dino's", Halo 3 could have been far better in my opinion. And Microsoft's deadlines did not help either.
You mean "The Ghost In The Shell".

  • 12.14.2011 8:02 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

The main difference between Mass Effect 3 and Halo 4 is that unlike Halo 4, there is stuff to be actually anticipated.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:11 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:11 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
The Halo series is dying, this shows it. Mass Effect 3 trumped Halo 4 for the title of Most Anticipated Game on Spike's VGA...what say you about this Halo forum?


Yeah well Skyrim won the best game of the year award so Im pretty happy anyways.

  • 12.14.2011 9:02 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The main difference between Mass Effect 3 and Halo 4 is that unlike Halo 4, there is stuff to be actually anticipated.


The only true words of wisdom spoken in this entire thread, hear hear

  • 12.15.2011 12:26 AM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Gentlemen.
Posted by: MC Confusing
Who cares.

Allow me to emphasize what this good sir is saying.

It's Spike. Who gives a flying f**k what Spike TV thinks. Who cares what ANYONE thinks. Is Halo 4 the most anticipated game to you? That is all that matters.

  • 12.15.2011 2:06 AM PDT

Mass Effect 3 is a multi-platform release that was delayed from 2011 to 2012.
I'm not really surprised that it's being 'anticipated' by a larger group of people, considering it has a much larger target audience and the marketing campaign has been going on for much longer.

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Posted by: cortana 5
I don't think that you quite understand the situation, here. 343i can have the most passionate team there is, but it's on Microsoft's time and money; and good Lord how they want more money. This is Microsoft's boat, and 343i would be careful not to rock it. This means a crazy-ass release schedule to churn out as many games as possible (I heard something about one game each year/and a half).

As for what they've already added to the universe? Yuck. I'm not even going to continue on with my opinions on what they've put out so far. It would be silly to argue about bad taste.

I never argued that Bungie's Halo was flawless. Reach was, in my opinion, a fantastic game. It's silly for people to get their panties in a bunch over a few bits of cannon. It was their last hoorah! for Halo. Why not go all out at the expense of a book? But this isn't about Bungie. It's about what 343i is doing with the IP they were handed.

I sound mean, I get it. But honestly, it would have been better for the integrity of the franchise to chronologically leave it at Halo 3. Halo is about the fight against the Flood and stopping the mass genocide of all sentient species in the galaxy.

The cliffhanger at the end of Halo 3 was on purpose. That's where the Master Chief should be: resting in our hearts after the fight was finished, not about starting another fight.

It's so hard to let go, especially with this beautiful and elegant universe Bungie left us with; something I had to come to terms with. But, for me, it's necessary. You're welcome to go ahead and buy Halo 4, that's not for me to choose for you. But I won't be touching it. Hell, I haven't touched my copy of CEA since I unwrapped it.

As weird as it sounds, I don't want 343i to crash and burn. As a fellow developer, I hope they prove me wrong. But as much as I try to, I have no faith in them.
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Posted by: cortana 5
Halo 4 is not my favorite game. I like Bungie's Halo, not this crap that 343i has been commissioned to churn out to make MS more money. I won't support the beating of a dead horse.

lolwut?

343 is continuing the storyline. Not making these games for money. They love Halo and want Chief's story to continue. Not to mention they have added great lore with the addition of Evolutions and, especially, Cryptum. Bungie showed with Reach that they care nothing for the story. They completely disregarded the Fall of Reach and 343 were the ones that had to try and fix the mistakes that Bungie did in Reach.

I'm not saying 343 will produce "teh best Haloz gaemes evarz." But, they were more true to Reach's story with one map pack then Bungie's entire Reach campaign.


What have they added that was that yuck ? In my opinion cryptum was the best book in halo series...CEA was quite nice...and thats all...glasslands was worth reading...i liked it all...

And no the story at HALO 3 ending was not an end...it couldnt be....The flood wasnt defeated...so it couldnt end...

Its a shame that some fanboys stop being fanboys just because of change of company...

  • 12.15.2011 4:55 AM PDT

No, it lost because it's coming from a relatively new developer that is largely unproven. It's also starting a whole new chapter in the Halo series that we know nothing about and when have no idea what the game play will be like because we have yet to see any.

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Posted by: Kman1313
No, it lost because it's coming from a relatively new developer that is largely unproven. It's also starting a whole new chapter in the Halo series that we know nothing about and when have no idea what the game play will be like because we have yet to see any.


343 is not new...it made Halo CEA and has atleast 4 ex-bungie members....The game will not have a new character and will be all around SPARTAN 117.

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Posted by: jack0fhearts
Gentlemen.
Posted by: MC Confusing
Who cares.

Allow me to emphasize what this good sir is saying.

It's Spike. Who gives a flying f**k what Spike TV thinks. Who cares what ANYONE thinks. Is Halo 4 the most anticipated game to you? That is all that matters.

Thank you!

  • 12.15.2011 6:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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I'll respond to you, because you actually took the time to read the entirety of my post. Thank you.

Yuck= Legends, for one. CEA, creatively, wasn't even theirs. I, personally, thought that Cryptum was a well-written book and good for people who cared to find out more about the forerunners. But let's give credit where it's due: That's thanks to Greg Bear on that one.
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What have they added that was that yuck ? In my opinion cryptum was the best book in halo series...CEA was quite nice...and thats all...glasslands was worth reading...i liked it all...


You've made my point right there. People don't want this magnificent universe to end. Letting go of a franchise that has been with us for ten years is something that's hard to do.

You've got the attitude I've been talking about. This isn't a bad thing, though. I will forever be a Halo fangirl. Halo, and the Bungie community, saved my life when I was in a very dark place. I think I owe it to Halo to let it rest with dignity in my heart.
And no the story at HALO 3 ending was not an end...it couldnt be....The flood wasnt defeated...so it couldnt end...
Like I said earlier, you are welcome to go get the game and I'm not arguing that you shouldn't. That's not my choice to make for others.

I'm explaining why I will not be buying Halo 4. These are my personal choices, my reasons, and my intentions.

Here, have a summary, all of you:
343i was never, and will never be, an independent studio. It's a glorified branch of MGS tasked with making more Halo content. Only five people from Bungie moved over 343i; only three remain there.

It works on Microsoft's time and money. The result? New Halo games/content will be aimed towards the broadest possible audience, a game will be pushed out every other year, and we'll end up with a watered-down product despite all of the wonderful and passionate people in 343i.

Again, I wish them well, but as hard I try, I will remain a cynic until I'm proven wrong. I really hope that I'm proven wrong, but not amount of arguing about it on a forum will change my mind until then.

But, please, don't think that I've totally abandoned Halo. I don't feel that this is just a change in studios. It goes deeper for me. Watching someone's IP get ripped out of their hands in exchange for the independence they've been longing for, for years on end, is hard to watch.

I know that I can't change anything about it. The only thing I can do is, as a consumer, buy the products I have faith in.
Its a shame that some fanboys stop being fanboys just because of change of company...

  • 12.15.2011 9:41 AM PDT

I don't see how it's hard to watch. Bungie signed onto Microsoft with the understanding it wouldn't be their IP thereafter, and I think Microsoft gave them an extraordinarily large amount of creative control for years considering when they could have done an Activision long ago.

Bungie left Microsoft, they left the IP behind. I'm glad, to be honest; ODST wasn't the best and Reach was pretty bad. I'm looking forward to seeing a fresh take on the Haloverse.

But you're entitled to your opinion. It just seems to me that boycotting a game on 'principal' is a little silly.

  • 12.15.2011 10:08 AM PDT

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Okay, so what am I supposed to do? Buy a game that I don't want? It's less of a boycott, and more of a "oh, a game I don't have interest in, I think I'll pass on buying it," situation.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
But you're entitled to your opinion. It just seems to me that boycotting a game on 'principal' is a little silly.


Anyways, I would still say that it doesn't lessen the blow of seeing your IP get handed off to someone else.

  • 12.15.2011 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
Okay, so what am I supposed to do? Buy a game that I don't want? It's less of a boycott, and more of a "oh, a game I don't have interest in, I think I'll pass on buying it," situation.

This is what I find hard to believe. If you're such a big Halo fan, then how are you not even a wee bit interested in what's going to happen to the story? Yes, okay, I get that people are butthurt because it's not Bungie making the new series. But, it's still Halo. Even if it's not made by Bungie it's still continuing the story that Bungie would have continued if they hadn't made Reach.

  • 12.15.2011 10:28 AM PDT


Posted by: cortana 5
Okay, so what am I supposed to do? Buy a game that I don't want? It's less of a boycott, and more of a "oh, a game I don't have interest in, I think I'll pass on buying it," situation.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
But you're entitled to your opinion. It just seems to me that boycotting a game on 'principal' is a little silly.


It's too early to decide, though. We haven't seen a single glimpse of the game. Before Halo CE came out a fair few people thought it wouldn't do well due to being too colourful and unorthodox for a shooter and also due to its migration from Mac to console. Look how that turned out.

I'm not saying you should be excited for this game or even want it. Just don't be so quick to judge that which you have not seen.

  • 12.15.2011 10:30 AM PDT