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Subject: TU Adds Insult to Injury

WHY God? WHY did you allow 343i to put bleedthrough in Reach? This was the first Halo game to not have it and I LOVED no bleedthrough because it made the melee system way more predictable and reduced Halo 3-style double beatdowns (I mean where both players are killed). Why would 343i totally undo that and de-evolve Reach back to its predecessor? And the reduced bloom got rid of the skill of shot-pacing. People who were awesome with a heavy-bloom DMR don't mean anything anymore. Now EVERYONE can spam and hit their mark.

Honestly, the TU just ADDS to my list of grievances with Reach. That's a pretty pathetic start there, 343. Not a great way to win over my vote of confidence in your ability to make a good Halo 4...

Oh and BTW, Anniversary MP is terrible. I would rather stick to Halo CE on my Mac/PC than play this horrific attempt at recreating the best Halo of all time with the worst Halo of all time's engine/mechanics.

[Edited on 12.13.2011 8:12 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2011 8:11 PM PDT

I stopped reading when you couldn't handle bleed-through.

  • 12.13.2011 8:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Puma xSDSx
I stopped reading when you couldn't handle bleed-through.


You must be the QRF of the BNet troll army.

  • 12.13.2011 8:15 PM PDT

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I'm a booster.


[Edited on 12.13.2011 8:19 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2011 8:15 PM PDT


Posted by: DarQslide

I'm a troll.

  • 12.13.2011 8:16 PM PDT

I bet you're a disgruntled Bungie employee or super-fan thats a little sad 343 pretty much instantly made reach better.

[Edited on 12.13.2011 8:20 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2011 8:18 PM PDT


Posted by: MetaIGearRex
I bet your a disgruntled Bungie employee or super-fan thats a little sad 343 pretty much instantly made reach better.


How do you think this is better? And one way or the other, they lied that Reach multiplayer would be untouched and that the TU was simply meant as a way to open up new playlists for HCEA. Wrong! Now EVERYONE in Reach has to play by the same book.

  • 12.13.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarQslide

I'm a troll.


You are a booster though.

  • 12.13.2011 8:20 PM PDT


Posted by: DarQslide
Posted by: x0v3rKiLx

Posted by: DarQslide

I'm a troll.


You are a booster though.


If you really think I care that you think I boost, you really need to do some soul searching.

  • 12.13.2011 8:22 PM PDT
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Why is hypocrite spelled with an E at the end?
The I in crite is not pronounce as eye.

So, on the one hand I spell it out exactly as it should be.
You follow the standard set before you by fools who can't even get a handle on the rules of their own language.

I guess it's too hard statwhoring against people with brains.

  • 12.13.2011 8:28 PM PDT
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I guess it's too hard statwhoring against people with brains.

  • 12.13.2011 8:31 PM PDT
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  • 12.13.2011 8:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: CROWSCLAW
I guess it's too hard statwhoring against people with brains.

  • 12.13.2011 8:39 PM PDT
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You mad because we have 1920x1080 Halo: Combat Evolved with its proper multiplayer?

Not to mention we're getting this soon.

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  • 12.13.2011 8:40 PM PDT

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They rushed reach for the profit they built up hipe and screwed us over end of story


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Posted by: Puma xSDSx
I stopped reading when you couldn't handle bleed-through.

  • 12.13.2011 8:41 PM PDT
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I guess it's too hard statwhoring against people with brains.

  • 12.13.2011 8:54 PM PDT

Sprint/double beatdown actually made double beatdown worse in this game. Seriously you're a retard for posting this. Your arguement is completely invalid and stupid. Almost nobody will agree with you. Have fun with your mental retardation.

  • 12.13.2011 8:59 PM PDT

Oh and as for bloom are you just mad that now people just have to aim well and hit you. You're on the same level with them when it comes to zero bloom so if you're losing that just means you can't aim. Maybe that's due to your mental retardation as stated before.

  • 12.13.2011 9:02 PM PDT
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Scarlet Sphere

what is bleedthrough?

  • 12.13.2011 9:05 PM PDT

Bleedthrough does suck, but everybody loves to be able to run in, punch and insta kill now without having to actually think about de-shielding people. I posted a poll with the topic of bleedthrough in question and found an overwhelming majority of people there favor bleedthrough.

I honestly don't know why when it takes more randomness out, but it can't be helped.

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Posted by: An average gamer
Bleedthrough does suck, but everybody loves to be able to run in, punch and insta kill now without having to actually think about de-shielding people. I posted a poll with the topic of bleedthrough in question and found an overwhelming majority of people there favor bleedthrough.

I honestly don't know why when it takes more randomness out, but it can't be helped.


This is a legitimate arguement. I still don't completely agree. But it was sprint that really messed up the melee system in this game. That's why mlg had to implement a 3 beat down system. i honestly wanted bleed through in this game because of the sprint/double beatdown. It really isn't fair that someone can do that when the objective is to shoot. You shoot 3 times melee then the guy who melees once is now on equal ground with you.

[Edited on 12.13.2011 9:10 PM PST]

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how dumb do you have to be to think that no bleed through and bloom were good ideas. I love the fact that someone cant just sprint up while im shooting him the whole time and then hit me and then we are even then trade beatdowns.... yeah have fun with your mental retardation.

  • 12.13.2011 9:10 PM PDT


Posted by: SaintCT
This is a legitimate arguement. I still don't completely agree. But it was sprint that really messed up the melee system in this game. That's why mlg had to implement a 3 beat down system. i honestly wanted bleed through in this game because of the sprint/double beatdown. It really isn't fair that someone can do that when the objective is to shoot. You shoot 3 times melee then the guy who melees once is now on equal ground with you.


I never found double meleers to be a real problem. Usually, if they are running far across the map at you, you can de-shield them either before they reach you, or as they melee you. You don't have to melee as they do so if you hold off and squeeze of just one more bullet and de-shield them, then you can melee and kill them first with no trade.

If they come close quarters at you, there is less you can do, but attempting to de-shield while they are meleeing is a very good strategy.

With bleedthrough, the problem isn't solved so much as everybody dies. People just AR death-charge which was endlessly complained about in Halo 3. No matter which system is put into play, there will be some cheap way of killing. I just like the no-bleedthrough more because you CAN be smart and walk away whereas with bleedthrough and AR death charging, it's more of an inevitable trade-kill.

  • 12.13.2011 9:17 PM PDT

I would like to also add that melees in this game are a bit messed up when combined with health packs... The game is inconsistant:
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  • 12.13.2011 9:20 PM PDT
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Scarlet Sphere

What is bleedthrough???

  • 12.13.2011 9:22 PM PDT

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