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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

So Primordium is upon us and i believe they will release the first two chapters next week(assuming 343 follows the old tradition with Cryptum and Glasslands)

So i wanted to see what the community believes about the events of Cryptum ,so we can see if we were wrong or not .

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1.Is the Timeless One a Precursor or did he lied?

2.Why was he imprisoned?

3.Origins of the Flood

4.
a)Are the Flood the anwswer of the TO?
b)Is it somthing else
c)The Flood is a part of the answer but there is more...

5.What is the testament of the last Precursor,maybe related to the answer(at least we know that the "testament" and the Flood were aren't the same as the two were differentiated from eachother below)

I'm having great fun working through the action and growing mysteries in HALO:PRIMORDIUM, as humans engage in an epic odyssey across a damaged, war-torn Halo, facing the Flood, rogue AI, and the stunning testament
of the Last Precursors", says author Greg Bear.




6.Who were the true holders of the mantle,did the Forerunners made it up?Were the Humans originally the holders?

7.Is the Didact really executed by Faber or did he somehow survived?

8.Did Medicant Bias succeeded in destroying the capital,

9.Are the Gravemind and Timeless One the same or are they two different characters?

10.Why did the Forerunners rose up against the Precursors?

11.Is there a possible third brother species of the Humans and Forerunners ,who might be siding with the Timeless One and the Flood.Who knows the aliens who crashed on 04 are the possible third faction(pure assumption on my part )

12.The Timeless One said to the Didact : "We meet again
, young one"

When did they ever met eachother?

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No doubt that i missed several things which will be pointed out by you guys.

Let's see if our theories and estimations are right or wrong.

  • 12.15.2011 4:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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13. Hakkor is the birthplace of either the Timeless One or the Precursors.

14. Timeless One is lying about being a Precursor.

15. Chakas is the genetic ancestor of the Spartans. (I remember Bear saying something along the lines of Spartans having a special genetic ancestry or something.)

  • 12.15.2011 5:19 AM PDT

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I always figured that when Spark is talking to the Chief as if he knows him in CE its because he was mistaking him for Chakas.

  • 12.15.2011 5:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
I always figured that when Spark is talking to the Chief as if he knows him in CE its because he was mistaking him for Chakas.


i always thought of it as a long lost conversation over a game of chess. a peaceful discussion.. among two thinkers.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Don't know if all of this will be covered in the next two novels but..

Humans and forerunners are foreign to the milky way if not they were not created on what we know as their homeworlds.

Each Halo installation has an Contender AI to control it. There are more dormant contender class AI's.

Forerunners were never given the mantle And if they did or picked it up somewhere they altered it massively. If not they made it up.

The Precursors left to another plane or galaxy if they weren't destroyed.

We are going to learn more about how human the forerunners look like.

I am expecting to see the shield world in halo wars brought up in this book or the next.

I Expect that reach might be brought up.

I Expect the lekgolo might appear since we do know the forerunners ignored them.

I Expect to learn more about the forerunner slipspace crystals and where the original crystal is. I feel like this could be link to the precursors if not another race.


We should learn more about the whereabouts of the Didact during the war and we can try to correlate that with the terminals. Though frankie clearly said they have to be pushed around.
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We already know the capital is destroyed seeing how they where overwhelmed and a few halo's were already about to go off when Didact got to the portal.

The prisoner said [i]welcome[i] not we meet again. If he did give me a page number because the didact said he only met him once, so it could have seen him tinkering with the switch.

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I want to know who Chakas is talking to.

The Last True Reclaimer?

Is that the Chief? When is he saying this? Who is he saying this to?

A long time ago?

Does that mean Chakas is still alive?

Spartan Genetic Ancestry? Wait, we know the Assembly and Halsey chose the Spartan II's because of their genetic ancestry.

Does that mean they are related to Chakas?

I disagree about the Capital being destroyed. We do not know yet. But if it was destroyed, that would have crippled the Forerunners, leaving Bornstellar in absolute command.

Who is the Timeless One? And what relation does that have to the Halo Legends Episode with those strange ruins? Or are those ancient humans? Precursors? The steps were incredibly large.


[Edited on 12.15.2011 1:24 PM PST]

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I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

We saw in Legends that the Sangheili were in an era roughly equivalent to ancient Egypt. Perhaps one of the characters will go to Sangheilios.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

We saw in Legends that the Sangheili were in an era roughly equivalent to ancient Egypt. Perhaps one of the characters will go to Sangheilios.

I bet they were at war with Humanity in the past, or on the Forerunners side, or that they were one of the planets that Ancient Humanity attacked.

I can see it coming. More drama.

  • 12.15.2011 2:19 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

We saw in Legends that the Sangheili were in an era roughly equivalent to ancient Egypt. Perhaps one of the characters will go to Sangheilios.


Seeing as the visual depictions in Legends aren't necessarily canon or at least not completely that may or may not change. *shrug* I wouldn't take that visual representation as absolute law, but that's just me. For now it's as good as we're going to get, but I wouldn't pitch a fit if a later book or information contradicted what we saw regarding the Sangheili in Origins.

Weren't all of the races it showed in it rather under-developed and not very advanced technologically? I haven't seen it in a while so I'm not sure. If that's the case I would assume that it was created under the assumption that no one at that time was as anywhere near advanced as the Forerunners, which Cryptum showed is not the case. Seeing as the Prophets were on a similar tech level to the Forerunners even up to the present. And Humans were much more advanced than they were shown in Legends, they had something akin to a steamship after all and had some sort of travel by balloon.

  • 12.15.2011 2:28 PM PDT

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Ok well I say the Timeless one is truly the last surviving precursor and that he created the flood as a punishment to the forerunners who betrayed him and his people, and he was a prisoner because he couldnt be killed like the rest of the precursors and he was angry at the forerunners, I think the way he looked at it was The Forerunners thought they could rule the Universe? well lets see how they rule it in Chaos.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 2:38 PM PST]

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[quote]Posted by: Quantam
I want to know who Chakas is talking to.

The Last True Reclaimer?

Is that the Chief? When is he saying this? Who is he saying this to?


Well they compare this last true "Reclaimer" to master chief, but there is no way it could actually be him, unless he was reincarnated as John, just kidding... kindov

  • 12.15.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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I also think it will talk more about the fate of the Didact after the council had him exicuted, and I think the first time the Didact and the timeless one met was when the Didact and his warriors wiped out all of the precursors, well all but but "One"...

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

We saw in Legends that the Sangheili were in an era roughly equivalent to ancient Egypt. Perhaps one of the characters will go to Sangheilios.


Seeing as the visual depictions in Legends aren't necessarily canon or at least not completely that may or may not change.


Origins isn't wrong as everybody is making it out to be. What 343 says fits thus it is correct. We know the grunts had tech roughly the same as ours currently before the array fired yet we didn't see that in legends.

  • 12.15.2011 2:46 PM PDT

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I thought they were in an era similar to the Industrial era. What i'm really intruged by is that we now have a possible explimation for the odd structures in "The Babysitter". Ancient humanity. That was never considered a possibility before Cryptum, but now it raises new possible expliations for things that seemed neither forerunner nor Covenant, yet were still ancient. There's a strong possibility that at some point in the reclaimer trilogy, we will see some ancient human cities, or at the very least some ruins or whatnot.

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I thought they were in an era similar to the Industrial era. What i'm really intruged by is that we now have a possible explimation for the odd structures in "The Babysitter" . Ancient humanity. That was never considered a possibility before Cryptum, but now it raises new possible expliations for things that seemed neither forerunner nor Covenant, yet were still ancient. There's a strong possibility that at some point in the reclaimer trilogy, we will see some ancient human cities, or at the very least some ruins or whatnot.


This. Also, the Assembly is something to be seen. They seem to know something about humanities' past, when they stated "for the next 200,000 years".

This is suggesting they know our history, and so far I have yet to see someone consider the possibility they may be Ancient Human AI, instead of Forerunner or what not.

  • 12.15.2011 8:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

We saw in Legends that the Sangheili were in an era roughly equivalent to ancient Egypt. Perhaps one of the characters will go to Sangheilios.


Seeing as the visual depictions in Legends aren't necessarily canon or at least not completely that may or may not change.


Origins isn't wrong as everybody is making it out to be. What 343 says fits thus it is correct. We know the grunts had tech roughly the same as ours currently before the array fired yet we didn't see that in legends.


I'm not meaning to say, or imply, that it's wrong, I'm just cautious about accepting it and the other episodes of Legends at complete face value when it comes to the visuals department as there is an awful lot of artistic license with a lot of things in the episodes (Halsey for instance).

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think we'll see the Sangheili; in the terminals, Spark comments on how their race has become dramatic over 100,000 years. I don't think they were mentioned in Cryptum.

It'd be nice to see what their civilisation was like pre-Halo event.

We saw in Legends that the Sangheili were in an era roughly equivalent to ancient Egypt. Perhaps one of the characters will go to Sangheilios.


Seeing as the visual depictions in Legends aren't necessarily canon or at least not completely that may or may not change.


Origins isn't wrong as everybody is making it out to be. What 343 says fits thus it is correct. We know the grunts had tech roughly the same as ours currently before the array fired yet we didn't see that in legends.


I'm not meaning to say, or imply, that it's wrong, I'm just cautious about accepting it and the other episodes of Legends at complete face value when it comes to the visuals department as there is an awful lot of artistic license with a lot of things in the episodes (Halsey for instance).

And the fact that it is a biased source (Cortana).

I am agree with Grey. Origins did not have as many "canon" errors as people claimed it did.

But forget Origins. Lets talk about the Babysitter.

The main question is why were those steps so large?

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I am going to say that something happened 50,000 years ago since that is when both man and forerunner had an event happen to them. The prisoner was also imprisoned 50,000 years ago so there has to be a connection.

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50 thousand? Do you mean 50,000 years before the activation of the rings?

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I'm not meaning to say, or imply, that it's wrong, I'm just cautious about accepting it and the other episodes of Legends at complete face value when it comes to the visuals department as there is an awful lot of artistic license with a lot of things in the episodes (Halsey for instance).

And the fact that it is a biased source (Cortana).

I am agree with Grey. Origins did not have as many "canon" errors as people claimed it did.

But forget Origins. Lets talk about the Babysitter.

The main question is why were those steps so large?


Of course, I'm pretty sure all the details Cortana gave are fairly accurate and there's not much (if anything) wrong with all of that. I certainly found anything in Origins that was a glaring error except for the visuals that went along with Cortana's narration about the end of the Human-Covenant War, which is rather understandable as she wasn't there for half of it and probably only has bits and pieces of second-hand information about the end days of the Covenant and the war. It's mainly the visuals in Legends that I don't put too much stock in, but even then they're for the most part accurate.

Early Precursor structures/ruins with human ruins built on top/around them maybe? We know that's what they did on Charum Hakkor, built their civilization around the ruins of the Precursor's. It's the only explanation I can think of right now, 'cause I know those steps in the ruins from the Babysitter were definitely far too large to be anything built for humans.

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I'm not meaning to say, or imply, that it's wrong, I'm just cautious about accepting it and the other episodes of Legends at complete face value when it comes to the visuals department as there is an awful lot of artistic license with a lot of things in the episodes (Halsey for instance).

And the fact that it is a biased source (Cortana).

I am agree with Grey. Origins did not have as many "canon" errors as people claimed it did.

But forget Origins. Lets talk about the Babysitter.

The main question is why were those steps so large?


Of course, I'm pretty sure all the details Cortana gave are fairly accurate and there's not much (if anything) wrong with all of that. I certainly found anything in Origins that was a glaring error except for the visuals that went along with Cortana's narration about the end of the Human-Covenant War, which is rather understandable as she wasn't there for half of it and probably only has bits and pieces of second-hand information about the end days of the Covenant and the war. It's mainly the visuals in Legends that I don't put too much stock in, but even then they're for the most part accurate.

Early Precursor structures/ruins with human ruins built on top/around them maybe? We know that's what they did on Charum Hakkor, built their civilization around the ruins of the Precursor's. It's the only explanation I can think of right now, 'cause I know those steps in the ruins from the Babysitter were definitely far too large to be anything built for humans.

But all Precursor artifacts should have been destroyed when the Halo rings fired, according to Cryptum.

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I'm not meaning to say, or imply, that it's wrong, I'm just cautious about accepting it and the other episodes of Legends at complete face value when it comes to the visuals department as there is an awful lot of artistic license with a lot of things in the episodes (Halsey for instance).

And the fact that it is a biased source (Cortana).

I am agree with Grey. Origins did not have as many "canon" errors as people claimed it did.

But forget Origins. Lets talk about the Babysitter.

The main question is why were those steps so large?


Of course, I'm pretty sure all the details Cortana gave are fairly accurate and there's not much (if anything) wrong with all of that. I certainly found anything in Origins that was a glaring error except for the visuals that went along with Cortana's narration about the end of the Human-Covenant War, which is rather understandable as she wasn't there for half of it and probably only has bits and pieces of second-hand information about the end days of the Covenant and the war. It's mainly the visuals in Legends that I don't put too much stock in, but even then they're for the most part accurate.

Early Precursor structures/ruins with human ruins built on top/around them maybe? We know that's what they did on Charum Hakkor, built their civilization around the ruins of the Precursor's. It's the only explanation I can think of right now, 'cause I know those steps in the ruins from the Babysitter were definitely far too large to be anything built for humans.

But all Precursor artifacts should have been destroyed when the Halo rings fired, according to Cryptum.


Only on a certain tuning does The halo effect destroy precursor ruins, though if they kept that tuning i assume they found something out and decided to "destroy" the precursors.
Precursors aren't involved there not to mention we have no idea how large ancient man was; There are plenty of structures created on Earth that are "Too big or small" for humans yet we think we did them for the most part.



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50 thousand? Do you mean 50,000 years before the activation of the rings?


50,000 years before the array fired Something happened to the Humans And forerunners alike, I think they put the "Thing" there. Or atleast helped their masters in doing so. I am not sure yet, i will be writing a theory on that shortly.

[Edited on 12.18.2011 8:32 PM PST]

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Posted by: grey101
Don't know if all of this will be covered in the next two novels but..

Humans and forerunners are foreign to the milky way if not they were not created on what we know as their homeworlds.

Each Halo installation has an Contender AI to control it. There are more dormant contender class AI's.

Forerunners were never given the mantle And if they did or picked it up somewhere they altered it massively. If not they made it up.

The Precursors left to another plane or galaxy if they weren't destroyed.

We are going to learn more about how human the forerunners look like.

I am expecting to see the shield world in halo wars brought up in this book or the next.

I Expect that reach might be brought up.

I Expect the lekgolo might appear since we do know the forerunners ignored them.

I Expect to learn more about the forerunner slipspace crystals and where the original crystal is. I feel like this could be link to the precursors if not another race.


We should learn more about the whereabouts of the Didact during the war and we can try to correlate that with the terminals. Though frankie clearly said they have to be pushed around.
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We already know the capital is destroyed seeing how they where overwhelmed and a few halo's were already about to go off when Didact got to the portal.

The prisoner said [i]welcome[i] not we meet again. If he did give me a page number because the didact said he only met him once, so it could have seen him tinkering with the switch.


He says we meet again; last page of the book on page 342, first thing he says.

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Posted by: grey101
Each Halo installation has an Contender AI to control it. There are more dormant contender class AI's.


I don't think this is quite true grey.

One contender class AI can control all of the halo rings. There are protocols to stop that from happening as demonstrated in the citadel portion of cryptum when 7 of the 12 halo rings were taken from MB.

Now would it not seem strange to place a contender AI on each halo ring, perfectly capable of being influenced by a flood gravemind or potentially the TO? I mean we have only heard of two contender class AI's, and that's MB and OB.

Yes I know his serial number has an "05" in it, and yes the significance of numbers are a major portion in Halo's story, but the 05 is far more significant as the amount of Halo's he can control at one time rather than him being the Contender AI from installation 05.

It just seems massively implausible to have created 12 contender class AI's who might all have the ability to control their specific ring (and in MB's case 5 of them).

And if they don't have any purpose to fill other than to monitor their own station, then why do we have GS or PT or any of the other monitors? What purpose and use would there have been for one of the 5 installations at the citadel with a contender AI on it when it was potentially destroyed without being used?

No I think it makes far more sense to not have an army of brainwashed (to some extent) "Big Brained" Contender Class AI's, and keep it simple with the One contender AI, who if corrupted could not amass an army of Contender Class AI's.

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