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Subject: Catherine Elizabeth Halsey: Punish or Release?


Posted by: ajw34307
I love how people just ignore what the Innies were doing and criticise Halsey because the Spartans were originally made to kill other humans. It's like nobody read Halsey's journal, there's a report of Rebels attacking entire colonies and slaughtering civilians.

Doctor Carver's assessment of the Insurrection was that: "Unless the political situation throughout the colonies is stabilized (preferably by force), the Government will collapse and civil war will rip human society apart."

Now I don't know about you guys, but the part about human society being torn apart seems like a pretty good reason to start making super-soldiers to prevent this.

Thanks, this was the thing i was trying to say.

  • 12.15.2011 9:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: FTW 1997
Thats an excuse...
Read the callisto incident i think you will understand how dangerous the insurrection was.
I just said I forgot how formidable it was. Every single time you reply it seems like you don't understand a single thing I'm saying. Then again you're only 14 according to your name.


Whats wrong with people like you ?
I just told you to read that incident to know more...you say i dont understand you and that im a child...
By the way...my name is not my birthdate...

Also i only replied to you two times...
I said I forgot that it was as bad as it was, therefore I do understand, just forgot. When you told me to read something that inferred you thought I didn't know.

Off-Topic: What does "1997" reference towards? (Actually curious. Not meaning that in any sort of negative way)

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  • 12.15.2011 9:48 AM PDT

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Let Halsey go. It was all for the greater good and all that.

  • 12.15.2011 9:53 AM PDT
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It was when my father divorced with my mother.

  • 12.15.2011 9:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: FTW 1997
It was when my father divorced with my mother.
That's a pretty interesting choice then. Actually makes that unique.

  • 12.15.2011 9:57 AM PDT

OP has a flaw with one statement. Paragonsky was wanting Spartans. She green-lighted, funded, supplied, and kidnapped all those children.

She just hates that Halsey wanted to give the families closure. Cause apparently she thinks that after the war Spartans can go back home with their parents and nothing bad would happen.

  • 12.15.2011 10:00 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Halsey shouldn't get Flak for what the assembly is doing especially since this is going to bring humanity to the top. I love how Ackerson's Ethics are completely thrown aside.


... you realise ONI almost certainly know nothing about the Assembly or what they've done, right? We've had the talk about Ackerson.

  • 12.15.2011 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
Halsey shouldn't get Flak for what the assembly is doing especially since this is going to bring humanity to the top. I love how Ackerson's Ethics are completely thrown aside.


... you realise ONI almost certainly know nothing about the Assembly or what they've done, right? We've had the talk about Ackerson.


They must know of the assembly to some degree, it is odd that uranus is "too far to travel" despite infinity being in the Oort cloud. I don't remember talking. You were saying since we don't have a PoV on Ackerson we know nothing about him. That can be applied to everything in the universe.

  • 12.15.2011 10:29 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
Halsey shouldn't get Flak for what the assembly is doing especially since this is going to bring humanity to the top. I love how Ackerson's Ethics are completely thrown aside.


... you realise ONI almost certainly know nothing about the Assembly or what they've done, right? We've had the talk about Ackerson.


They must know of the assembly to some degree...


Nope.

Surely it would be more effective if our creators believed our conclusions originated within themselves? That they have been inspired rather than influenced?

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Thanks,thats why my name is FTW i guess you understand that its an angry way...

  • 12.15.2011 10:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
Halsey shouldn't get Flak for what the assembly is doing especially since this is going to bring humanity to the top. I love how Ackerson's Ethics are completely thrown aside.


... you realise ONI almost certainly know nothing about the Assembly or what they've done, right? We've had the talk about Ackerson.


They must know of the assembly to some degree...


Nope.

Surely it would be more effective if our creators believed our conclusions originated within themselves? That they have been inspired rather than influenced?


I am positive there was a datapad in which they said we have been speculation about them for some time. Thus my "to a degree is correct. Not to mention ONI doesn't elaborate on anything nor tell the full truth.

  • 12.15.2011 10:42 AM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
Halsey shouldn't get Flak for what the assembly is doing especially since this is going to bring humanity to the top. I love how Ackerson's Ethics are completely thrown aside.


... you realise ONI almost certainly know nothing about the Assembly or what they've done, right? We've had the talk about Ackerson.


They must know of the assembly to some degree...


Nope.

Surely it would be more effective if our creators believed our conclusions originated within themselves? That they have been inspired rather than influenced?


I am positive there was a datapad in which they said we have been speculation about them for some time. Thus my "to a degree is correct. Not to mention ONI doesn't elaborate on anything nor tell the full truth.


If you're referring to the person who leaves a little line at the beginning of each datapad, that's just one person. And it's implied the AIs are trying to have him killed or would have him killed because he knows.

  • 12.15.2011 10:52 AM PDT

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Parangosky and members of the Halo community itself see her as an a determined, single-minded scientist intent on creating soldiers from innocent children who should have stayed very firmly with her parents.


No, definitely not the reason why Parangosky doesn't like her. Hell, before Glasslands Parangosky stated she would have gotten rid of Halsey a long time ago for her humane philosophies, if not for the much-needed Spartan program.

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  • 12.15.2011 10:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
I believe a lot of people have missed the point entirely with Glasslands. It's not about Halsey, it's about those who were affected by her. It's about how they view her, not us.
Boom!

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Five exclamations marks are a good signifier of an insane mind. As is trying to hide from Death in an airtight room. Silly wizard.

Another member, xd00999 I think, posted a good quote. "If you let me put my thumb on the scale of utilitarianism I can get you to agree that it is your morally affirmative duty to torture a child to death." While the circumstances were definitively gray making the Spartans was for the good of all. Parangosky is holding onto straws and has an irrational hatred of Halsey.

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Posted by: MAC Blast
Another member, xd00999 I think, posted a good quote. "If you let me put my thumb on the scale of utilitarianism I can get you to agree that it is your morally affirmative duty to torture a child to death." While the circumstances were definitively gray making the Spartans was for the good of all. Parangosky is holding onto straws and has an irrational hatred of Halsey.

It was me. If you want I can provide you a link to that quote.

  • 12.15.2011 12:51 PM PDT

She was hired by ONI to create super soildiers that could stop the human civil war in it's track, The super soildiers ended up saving humanity. She should not be punished for completing this... If she is punished, the punishment should be kept within ONI because any itteligent member of the public would relise someone had to have funded Halsey and that spartans do work for the UNSC...

That thing we call 'grasslands', it felt like every character was a projector for the writters own opinions. Not the unique personalities that existed in the other books, hell, this is the only book in the series that doesn't take the gray veiw. The Book literally shoves this is wrong, this is right down your throat.

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  • 12.15.2011 1:17 PM PDT

In fact, Travis doesn't seem to realize Halsey had left her "for greater good" ideas behind years ago. When Halsey gave John the opportunity to turn in Johnson to research his flood immunity, it was a test on that same thing. She had seen the mistakes of her life and she was trying to save as many Spartans as she could without sacrificing anyone else.

  • 12.15.2011 1:20 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Release her. She'll be free soon anyway, ONI is setting itself up for self-destruction.

  • 12.15.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Release her. She'll be free soon anyway, ONI is setting itself up for self-destruction.


And what a delicious end it will be >:] I've been longing to see ONI finally reap what it's sown for a long time now, always been very suspicious of them, could say hate, but eh, idk, there are more than enough guys in ONI just trying to do their actual job and not being evil schemers with delusions of grandeur.

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I want to say throw her in a cell with a load of forerunner tech and let her spend the rest of her life doing nothing but work. Then when she's out of new ideas put a bullet in the back of her head, we can even have Serin do it.

BUT there is one small problem with this and it's number is 117. There's no way John would not attempt some sort of rescue and where he goes the rest of the Spartan II's would follow.

  • 12.15.2011 2:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: wcd45
I want to say throw her in a cell with a load of forerunner tech and let her spend the rest of her life doing nothing but work. Then when she's out of new ideas put a bullet in the back of her head, we can even have Serin do it.

BUT there is one small problem with this and it's number is 117. There's no way John would not attempt some sort of rescue and where he goes the rest of the Spartan II's would follow.


Why on Earth would you treat Halsey that badly? If anyone deserved a bullet in the head it's Paradosky.

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Posted by: wcd45
I want to say throw her in a cell with a load of forerunner tech and let her spend the rest of her life doing nothing but work. Then when she's out of new ideas put a bullet in the back of her head, we can even have Serin do it.

BUT there is one small problem with this and it's number is 117. There's no way John would not attempt some sort of rescue and where he goes the rest of the Spartan II's would follow.


Why on Earth would you treat Halsey that badly? If anyone deserved a bullet in the head it's Paradosky.

I'm not saying Paragonsky doesn't deserve similar treatment, but Halsey has never paid for her crimes against humanity. Hell, one shot to the back of the head may be too good for her.

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Posted by: grey101
Halsey shouldn't get Flak for what the assembly is doing especially since this is going to bring humanity to the top. I love how Ackerson's Ethics are completely thrown aside.[/quote]

... you realise ONI almost certainly know nothing about the Assembly or what they've done, right? We've had the talk about Ackerson.[/quote]

They must know of the assembly to some degree...[/quote]

Nope.

Surely it would be more effective if our creators believed our conclusions originated within themselves? That they have been inspired rather than influenced?


I am positive there was a datapad in which they said we have been speculation about them for some time. Thus my "to a degree is correct. Not to mention ONI doesn't elaborate on anything nor tell the full truth.


If you're referring to the person who leaves a little line at the beginning of each datapad, that's just one person. And it's implied the AIs are trying to have him killed or would have him killed because he knows.


That isn't what i am talking about. How about you read all of the datapads before saying i am "wrong'.

  • 12.15.2011 2:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: wcd45

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: wcd45
I want to say throw her in a cell with a load of forerunner tech and let her spend the rest of her life doing nothing but work. Then when she's out of new ideas put a bullet in the back of her head, we can even have Serin do it.

BUT there is one small problem with this and it's number is 117. There's no way John would not attempt some sort of rescue and where he goes the rest of the Spartan II's would follow.


Why on Earth would you treat Halsey that badly? If anyone deserved a bullet in the head it's Paradosky.

I'm not saying Paragonsky doesn't deserve similar treatment, but Halsey has never paid for her crimes against humanity. Hell, one shot to the back of the head may be too good for her.


Crimes against humanity? Bull-blam!-. You act like she was a -blam!-. What she did was morally ambiguous, but with a full on civil war brewing spearheaded by terrorists who had no qualms with nuking colonies, it had to be done. At least she cared about the Spartans.

But that means she has to die? No.

  • 12.15.2011 2:54 PM PDT