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Subject: Didactic Principal: Further Confirmation of Didact in Halo Games?

Just something I noticed when listening to the OST of CEA disc 2, track 22.

It is titled "Didactic Principal".

I know the hidden terminal had the Didact symbol at the end so I wonder if this track is related to that terminal.

Maybe just another tidbit confirming the Didact in Halo 4 and reclaimer trilogy.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 9:53 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 9:40 PM PDT
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Good Find.

But unfortunately, we can't get anything from this.

Change the title to make it clear that this is a canon subject.

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Posted by: Quantam
Good Find.

But unfortunately, we can't get anything from this.

Change the title to make it clear that this is a canon subject.


Updated the title.

I know there's nothing to take from it directly but with the symbol in secret terminal and this track title it seems more than likely who we're up against this time.

  • 12.15.2011 9:55 PM PDT

Possibly... if he hadn't been standing in a halo's control room when the array fired.

  • 12.15.2011 10:12 PM PDT
Subject: Didactic Principal: Further Confirmation of Didact in Halo Games?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Possibly... if he hadn't been standing in a halo's control room when the array fired.


But what of imprinting? Isn't Bornstellar imprinted with Didact etc.

I'm not too sure of the specifics but seeing the symbol and this track title is teasing Didact.

Whether it directly points at Didact, his plans in motion or reactivated plans etc I'm not entirely sure.

[Edited on 12.15.2011 10:32 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 10:30 PM PDT

I honestly believe he will. Think back, they said that other sources would tie into Halo 4. Now remember at the end of Origins, from Halo Legends, we saw a lone Forerunner storing his/her armor on an unknown planet. What if that was Didact? We know it was his idea to set up the shield worlds, why wouldn't he be there when the Halo array was fired? He could be kept safe there.

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Posted by: TDR Mudcat09
Now remember at the end of Origins, from Halo Legends, we saw a lone Forerunner storing his/her armor on an unknown planet.


The commentary clearly stated that Didact was the forerunner at the halo array, which is why you can see that particular forerunner as his image on halopedia. That backs up the gibberish 343 has been saying, IRIS, and the terminals.


I am all up for didact passing on another brevate mutation long as it is made clear that he died on installation 4.

  • 12.16.2011 6:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I think it is more of an Easter egg of sorts, maybe they just thought it would be a cool name for a song (it is). I have no doubt that Forerunners will appear in the new trilogy but to say Didact might on the basis on a single song name is a bit of a stretch.

[Edited on 12.16.2011 6:38 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2011 6:37 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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Posted by: TDR Mudcat09
Now remember at the end of Origins, from Halo Legends, we saw a lone Forerunner storing his/her armor on an unknown planet.


The commentary clearly stated that Didact was the forerunner at the halo array, which is why you can see that particular forerunner as his image on halopedia. That backs up the gibberish 343 has been saying, IRIS, and the terminals.


I am all up for didact passing on another brevate mutation long as it is made clear that he died on installation 4.
We still don't know where he was when the array fired (04, the Ark, elsewhere).

The biggest problems I have with him being on 04 is that, first, it would be (most likely) outside the Maginot Sphere. Why would he go to a single installation outside of the Forerunner controlled area just to activate the array (when he could have activated it on the Ark)? Secondly, Offensive Bias was meant to be a distraction until the array fired; why would he be positioning himself between Mendicant and the array (instead of between Mendicant and 04) if Didact was on 04?

  • 12.16.2011 11:19 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


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Posted by: TDR Mudcat09
Now remember at the end of Origins, from Halo Legends, we saw a lone Forerunner storing his/her armor on an unknown planet.


The commentary clearly stated that Didact was the forerunner at the halo array, which is why you can see that particular forerunner as his image on halopedia. That backs up the gibberish 343 has been saying, IRIS, and the terminals.


I am all up for didact passing on another brevate mutation long as it is made clear that he died on installation 4.
We still don't know where he was when the array fired (04, the Ark, elsewhere).

The biggest problems I have with him being on 04 is that, first, it would be (most likely) outside the Maginot Sphere. Why would he go to a single installation outside of the Forerunner controlled area just to activate the array (when he could have activated it on the Ark)? Secondly, Offensive Bias was meant to be a distraction until the array fired; why would he be positioning himself between Mendicant and the array (instead of between Mendicant and 04) if Didact was on 04?
he had to defend the ark, otherwise MB would have just activated the override switch to halo, dooming the galaxy.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Because he couldn't get to the Ark before MB did so he went to the nearest installation. The battle went on for four hours before the array fired, why would he wait so long if he was already there?

Because MB was rampant and nothing thinking 100 percent clear. Though if he got control of the ark he could stop all the rings from firing, hence why he was rushing there.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the sphere as if it is relevant. We don't know where it is not to mention They clearly weren't there at that battle. After taking notes on cryptum this morning i think the sphere could be the "forerunner core worlds" which would be like the UNSC inner colonies. This is deep in the orion cluster which is close to Earth,which is near 04.

  • 12.16.2011 11:30 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: grey101
Because he couldn't get to the Ark before MB did so he went to the nearest installation. The battle went on for four hours before the array fired, why would he wait so long if he was already there?
Except from the terminals it seems the Librarian was the only one outside of the sphere. I find it hard to believe Didact would leave the sphere or the Ark (what I imagine would be the Forerunner home world at the point) undefended in order to go galavanting around for what...?

Because MB was rampant and nothing thinking 100 percent clear. Though if he got control of the ark he could stop all the rings from firing, hence why he was rushing there.That explains why he would attack the Ark but we already knew that. Obviously the battle took place far enough away from the Ark in order for both fleets to be hit by the array (which gives us some idea as to its size), but that certainly doesn't mean they were fighting near 04. Additionally I don't know why Didact would split the defense fleet in order to venture outside the sphere.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the sphere as if it is relevant. We don't know where it is not to mention They clearly weren't there at that battle. After taking notes on cryptum this morning i think the sphere could be the "forerunner core worlds" which would be like the UNSC inner colonies. This is deep in the orion cluster which is close to Earth,which is near 04.The sphere is relevant (if we knew more information about it we would be able to definitively settle this quandary) and they (OB and MB) were clearly fighting somewhere near its edge. From terminal six "Mendicant has burrowed through the sphere exactly where I expected - a direct path from initial rampancy to final retribution" and "Mendicant, or the enemy, has been sending a small percentage of its fleet elsewhere. Good. Let them believe they can seize a foothold somewhere inside the sphere". If you're talking about the Librarian and Didact, she obviously isn't there (but on Earth) and I continue to believe that the most logical scenario is that he is at the Ark directing military operations/evacuations and lighting the array.

  • 12.17.2011 12:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the sphere as if it is relevant. We don't know where it is not to mention They clearly weren't there at that battle. After taking notes on cryptum this morning i think the sphere could be the "forerunner core worlds" which would be like the UNSC inner colonies. This is deep in the orion cluster which is close to Earth,which is near 04.


Basically. The Maginot Sphere contained everything they wanted to save, like the Inner Colonies.

I don't think it has anything to do with their home world, which according to Halopedian is irradiated due to supernova (caused by slipspace tinkering) and uninhabitable.

But, this brings in a very interesting question.

MB launched an attack on the Capital. Probably destroyed it as well. Does that mean he was capable of penetrating very deep into Forerunner space? Had the Maginot Line already been penetrated? (Assuming the most important structure to the Forerunners next to the Ark was logically kept safe inside the Maginot Sphere)

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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"somewhere inside the sphere" I feel like that shouldn't have been stated if it was already clear that they were inside the sphere already.

I still don't understand why didact would need OB to stall if he was already at the ark, especially for four hours. If didact was at the Ark then he would have Read OB's report when OB returned to the Ark, in which we know he didn't.

Doesn't explain Why IRIS says array recorder data[b] when the ark isn't apart of the array, it doesn't explain why 343 is confusing MC with The didact, It doesn't explain why Origins has didact (who 343 confirmed was him) [b]at a halo ring.

I find it extremely funny how everybody is always talking about how "false" origins is, which i understand the areas it is. But when i have been saying this for years and origins shows clear proof he was at halo,which backs up information already stated, i still don't understand why it is being stated as false.

Unless some people don't want it to be correct for some personal reason. (not you).


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Posted by: grey101

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the sphere as if it is relevant. We don't know where it is not to mention They clearly weren't there at that battle. After taking notes on cryptum this morning i think the sphere could be the "forerunner core worlds" which would be like the UNSC inner colonies. This is deep in the orion cluster which is close to Earth,which is near 04.


Basically. The Maginot Sphere contained everything they wanted to save, like the Inner Colonies.

I don't think it has anything to do with their home world, which according to Halopedian is irradiated due to supernova (caused by slipspace tinkering) and uninhabitable.

But, this brings in a very interesting question.

MB launched an attack on the Capital. Probably destroyed it as well. Does that mean he was capable of penetrating very deep into Forerunner space? Had the Maginot Line already been penetrated? (Assuming the most important structure to the Forerunners next to the Ark was logically kept safe inside the Maginot Sphere)


I didn't say anything about their homeworld and i am aware of what they claimed happened to it. Funny though,because their homeworld is within the core of forerunner territory.

Yes the capital was destroyed, MB did a sneak attack so it doesn't really count.

[Edited on 12.17.2011 12:30 AM PST]

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Posted by: grey101
"somewhere inside the sphere" I feel like that shouldn't have been stated if it was already clear that they were inside the sphere already.

I still don't understand why didact would need OB to stall if he was already at the ark, especially for four hours. If didact was at the Ark then he would have Read OB's report when OB returned to the Ark, in which we know he didn't.

Doesn't explain Why IRIS says array recorder data[b] when the ark isn't apart of the array, it doesn't explain why 343 is confusing MC with The didact, It doesn't explain why Origins has didact (who 343 confirmed was him) [b]at a halo ring.

I find it extremely funny how everybody is always talking about how "false" origins is, which i understand the areas it is. But when i have been saying this for years and origins shows clear proof he was at halo,which backs up information already stated, i still don't understand why it is being stated as false.

Unless some people don't want it to be correct for some personal reason. (not you).


True that. Why delay when the activation of the rings is by a press of a button?

The Ark may not be part of the array but it is still named Installation 00. May have something to do with it.

Perhaps the "lost" Halo rings in the Capital. I believe their fates have not been revealed (correct me if I am wrong), but this poses another interesting question: did he (MB)capture some of the rings?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The ark is always stated separately from the halo arrays, even in cryptum. I should have took notes on that today, one was outright destroyed, another was destroyed while going through the portal, i think about 3 were lining up to go through the portal while the rest were about to fire or fighting off the forerunners

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Posted by: grey101
The ark is always stated separately from the halo arrays, even in cryptum. I should have took notes on that today, one was outright destroyed, another was destroyed while going through the portal, i think about 3 were lining up to go through the portal while the rest were about to fire or fighting off the forerunners

Exactly.

Out of the 12 rings, 2 were destroyed, 7 survived to form the Array, three are missing.

Where are they? Primordium should reveal some answers.

[Edited on 12.17.2011 12:40 AM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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no no no, the rings at the ark are the rings we know of today, they are a second batch. Only 1 ring made it through the portal.

  • 12.17.2011 12:43 AM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: grey101
"somewhere inside the sphere" I feel like that shouldn't have been stated if it was already clear that they were inside the sphere already.
I saw it as OB saying that MB was trying to establish a foothold somewhere else inside the sphere (as opposed to his initial point of entry).

I still don't understand why didact would need OB to stall if he was already at the ark, especially for four hours. If didact was at the Ark then he would have Read OB's report when OB returned to the Ark, in which we know he didn't.Which is why I can't state with certainty that he is there. There are problems which arise if he is at the Ark and problems which arise if he is at 04.

Doesn't explain Why IRIS says array recorder data[b] when the ark isn't apart of the array, it doesn't explain why 343 is confusing MC with The didact, It doesn't explain why Origins has didact (who 343 confirmed was him) [b]at a halo ring.Let's be honest, there is no good explanation (at the moment) as to how 343 is confusing MC with the Didact. Going from the CE terminals it seems 343 knew they were human before they even landed so...I don't know what's going through his head. If you could link the 343 confirmation of Didact in the origins episode I would be grateful since I haven't seen it.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I am all for him doing another brevet mutation long as it is clear that bornstellar-didact Died.

I'll have to get back to you on the commentary since it's late and i can't easily find it, but it is confirmed so im not too worried about it. too busy for archives? i could use the extra help as always

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Posted by: grey101
I am all for him doing another brevet mutation long as it is clear that bornstellar-didact Died.

I'll have to get back to you on the commentary since it's late and i can't easily find it, but it is confirmed so im not too worried about it. too busy for archives? i could use the extra help as always

It is getting late here as well, but it I agree with you, the Bornstellar Didact should be dead. However, his memories may still live, like his sons... I have joined all 3 groups.

  • 12.17.2011 1:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
too busy for archives? i could use the extra help as always
I don't check it much tbh but feel free to shoot me a PM whenever you need something.

  • 12.17.2011 2:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Possibly... if he hadn't been standing in a halo's control room when the array fired.


The only evidence we actually have for that is Legends, and that was just Cortana's interpretation so it's not reliable evidence.

There are hints that he was at 04, but the evidence against that has led Vocieferous seems to believe that Didact fired the Rings from the Ark.

To reiterate what I said last time.

From the Terminals:
How formal of you, Librarian. We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications. Don't compound scarcity with brevity.

This line clearly shows that the Didact is at the Ark, the Librarian is shipping indexed/catalogued beings to him - which were all stored at the Ark.

Later, the Librarian says:
Something is wrong! It's moving away! At night I can see it - flitting shadows - black against the stars. Thousands of ships! Not spiraling outward but heading for the line. This is the tipping, Didact. It's no longer feeding.

It's coming for you.


To which he later replies:
Mendicant Bias is trying to prevent us from firing the Array. He speeds back to the Ark, but he won't succeed. Offensive Bias will stop him, and I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

And then? I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who come after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence]-what you bought, and the price you paid.


Now why would Mendicant Bias go to the Ark if the Didact was at a Halo? that wouldn't make sense, he could just send the Flood to whatever Installation the Didact was on with his 5/6 million ships and destroy it, yet he goes to the Ark, the place where ALL the Halos can be SIMULTANEOUSLY fired and therefore the place it would make the most sense for the Didact to be.

Then he mentions the 'great journey', we know, however, that what Didact is mentioning here appears to be wholly physical rather than the transformation into a deity. He states that he will be carrying this record and that others will know the error in the Forerunners' ways - the 'false transcendence' refers to the Mantle and the atrocity it led to.

It sounds as though the Forerunners were definitely leaving their place on the Ark, but rather than an ascending to glory, they're descending into shame and personal disgust. And, as we know, they exiled themselves beyond the orion Arm (presumably to hide from their betrayal of the galaxy through the Array, not wanting to live in the same place as the very worlds they abandoned hope on upon the Flood's arrival).

What he says toward the end of the IRIS story text seems to indicate that Didact is alive.

It's done. By my hands. The pyrrhic solution is ignited. All I have left is the quiet of space to lull me to sleep.

I will dream of you.


The Didact has already fired the Halos here. It hints strongly that when taking part in the Forerunners' Great Journey, he would exist somewhere in space, possibly in a state of suspended animation, but clearly alone now that he has lost Librarian. Again, perhaps in timeless xankara where he shall remain.

Then there's the opening of Cryptum where the Didact/Bornstellar is about to tell the story of the Forerunners, yet he is saying it in the past tense and seemingly to someone.

And there's the rather ominous end of Terminal 10 in CEA, whilst Spark is talking hypothetically, clearly the fact that the Didact plays such a prominent role in the present tense with his emblem being the last thing we see is more significant than just saying, "oh if only that dead guy was here".

I am not at all convinced that the Didact is dead, until something outright states that he is and proves me wrong, I say he's alive. Whether he performed a brevet mutation on another person or had his thoughts put in a Durance, all evidence seems to show that he's alive in some shape or form.

[Edited on 12.17.2011 3:48 AM PST]

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smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Possibly... if he hadn't been standing in a halo's control room when the array fired.


Nope, he was on the Ark. Well, Didact v.2 was.

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