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Subject: Halo 4 Speculation: UNSC in Halo 4? Forerunners? Precursors?


Posted by: Elder Bias
Ruby, you are attacking Grey by calling him names makes your credibility void in any arguments.

Also, you claimed that you never read the books, it further hurts your argument.

I'm still pressing that UNSC won't be at Halo 4 because you say it has to be there because of gameplay reasons. I say no. Fiction is what it drives the story.

Also sad news for you: This is new trilogy where UNSC and Covenant are un-needed for Halo 4 anyway.

Also, the concept art itself is not enough proof that UNSC or Covenant are at Halo 4. And before you link to that video of warthog, it was for Forza 4. Not Halo 4.


Well good for you.

I'm going to have a smile as long as the Brooklyn Bridge the second the UNSC show up in Halo 4 information/a trailer.

[Edited on 12.17.2011 3:22 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2011 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Elder Bias
Ruby, you are attacking Grey by calling him names makes your credibility void in any arguments.

Also, you claimed that you never read the books, it further hurts your argument.

I'm still pressing that UNSC won't be at Halo 4 because you say it has to be there because of gameplay reasons. I say no. Fiction is what it drives the story.

Also sad news for you: This is new trilogy where UNSC and Covenant are un-needed for Halo 4 anyway.

Also, the concept art itself is not enough proof that UNSC or Covenant are at Halo 4. And before you link to that video of warthog, it was for Forza 4. Not Halo 4.


Well good for you.

I'm going to have a smile as long as the Brooklyn Bridge the second the UNSC show up in Halo 4 information/a trailer.
I'm going to have to side with Ruby. Not because I want to have the UNSC show up or else it's an end-of-the-world situation to me, but because it simply makes sense for them to show up. I would love for the Chief to take on the universe single handedly, but realistically that won't happen.

From a gameplay standpoint, the Chief will need allies to help him in his fight. Not because he needs extra firepower from the UNSC grunts, but because they would provide a reasonable explanation for UNSC weaponry in the game. We already know from the reveal trailer that there WILL be UNSC weaponry. And, unless chief masters teleportation and somehow finds his way into the Forward Unto Dawn wreckage at multiple instances in the campaign, he will need another source of ammo.

Don't give me the "well, he's gonna have all of this super awesome forerunner weaponry bro and he'll know how to use it because he's a reclaimer/got a geas/just knows like the spartans did with wraiths in First Strike." Because come on. Do you honestly believe that 343i would show the Chief using a human weapon if he was going to be only using forerunner weapons in the game? That would be an overly optimistic theory. The Chief will need to make contact with the UNSC in order to find armament, even if he gets part of it from the Forward Unto Dawn or new forerunner weapons to play with.

As for the "Well, Frankie said no purple so no Covenant or UNSC it's all new stuff bro," I think that some people have taken his quote out of proportion. No Purple would at the most mean that the Covenant would have minimal to no sway in the campaign. That's it. Not that everything from past games is gone.

Now as for reasoning for UNSC in Halo 4:

> UNSC Infinity concept art. Why would they show this at Halofest if at this point in the development cycle it is no longer relevant? 343i showed it for a reason. That reason is to subtly hint at UNSC presence.

> UNSC Warthog in Forza. This is a little less concrete. Frankie has commented that the 2554 model of warthog would have been on the Forward Unto Dawn at the time the Battle of the Ark took place. But that's the extent of what we know. Argument could go either way.

> UNSC Grenade Pistol Hybrid. This I think was explained enough in the above paragraphs.

So argument for UNSC presence? Better than the argument against it, that's for sure.

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: Elder Bias
Ruby, you are attacking Grey by calling him names makes your credibility void in any arguments.

Also, you claimed that you never read the books, it further hurts your argument.

I'm still pressing that UNSC won't be at Halo 4 because you say it has to be there because of gameplay reasons. I say no. Fiction is what it drives the story.

Also sad news for you: This is new trilogy where UNSC and Covenant are un-needed for Halo 4 anyway.

Also, the concept art itself is not enough proof that UNSC or Covenant are at Halo 4. And before you link to that video of warthog, it was for Forza 4. Not Halo 4.


Well good for you.

I'm going to have a smile as long as the Brooklyn Bridge the second the UNSC show up in Halo 4 information/a trailer.
I'm going to have to side with Ruby. Not because I want to have the UNSC show up or else it's an end-of-the-world situation to me, but because it simply makes sense for them to show up. I would love for the Chief to take on the universe single handedly, but realistically that won't happen.

From a gameplay standpoint, the Chief will need allies to help him in his fight. Not because he needs extra firepower from the UNSC grunts, but because they would provide a reasonable explanation for UNSC weaponry in the game. We already know from the reveal trailer that there WILL be UNSC weaponry. And, unless chief masters teleportation and somehow finds his way into the Forward Unto Dawn wreckage at multiple instances in the campaign, he will need another source of ammo.

Don't give me the "well, he's gonna have all of this super awesome forerunner weaponry bro and he'll know how to use it because he's a reclaimer/got a geas/just knows like the spartans did with wraiths in First Strike." Because come on. Do you honestly believe that 343i would show the Chief using a human weapon if he was going to be only using forerunner weapons in the game? That would be an overly optimistic theory. The Chief will need to make contact with the UNSC in order to find armament, even if he gets part of it from the Forward Unto Dawn or new forerunner weapons to play with.

As for the "Well, Frankie said no purple so no Covenant or UNSC it's all new stuff bro," I think that some people have taken his quote out of proportion. No Purple would at the most mean that the Covenant would have minimal to no sway in the campaign. That's it. Not that everything from past games is gone.

Now as for reasoning for UNSC in Halo 4:

> UNSC Infinity concept art. Why would they show this at Halofest if at this point in the development cycle it is no longer relevant? 343i showed it for a reason. That reason is to subtly hint at UNSC presence.

> UNSC Warthog in Forza. This is a little less concrete. Frankie has commented that the 2554 model of warthog would have been on the Forward Unto Dawn at the time the Battle of the Ark took place. But that's the extent of what we know. Argument could go either way.

> UNSC Grenade Pistol Hybrid. This I think was explained enough in the above paragraphs.

So argument for UNSC presence? Better than the argument against it, that's for sure.


Summarized point of yours: There is UNSC at Halo 4 because of a concept art and forza 4 warthog? Don't make me laugh.

Also Master Chief's allies would be Forerunners.

And, UNSC weapons are easily explained, it's FROM FUD! It does not mean that entire UNSC is there.



[Edited on 12.17.2011 4:46 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2011 4:42 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

The UNSC will be there because if they are not then the majority of this fanbase will be left with unanswered questions as to how Humanity has approached its role as Reclaimers, how it is doing after the war, how the situation with the Elites is going (I expect that they will be thoroughly disappointed here; I digress), what the other Covenant races are doing, etc. Not a cheap handwavium treatment of "Oh everything there is fine. Now, lets fly half way across the universe to some random place to play with some 12 foot tall immortal and misanthropic aliens.", or worse, for it all to be completely ignored. As much as 343i would like to think, Halo is not about Master Chief.

  • 12.17.2011 4:53 PM PDT

My honor student can beat up your honor student.

If you had read my post, because your language here makes it seem as if you either skimmed it or simply ignored large portions of it, you would realize that niether of your generalizations are what I think.

First off, the UNSC Infinity.

At Halofest back in September, Halo 4 would have been roughly 2 years into its development cycle, assuming that 343i runs on a similar schedule to Bungie (3 years per game - game announced late into the second). So the game would have been in development for quite a while. If you were showcasing bits and pieces of your game, would you show to the public parts of the game that are cut, specifically very intergral parts to the game (such as the UNSC)? I didn't think so.

So if the UNSC were not around during the game, why the hell would you showcase a concept piece to the public that clearly illustrates some form of UNSC presence? Do you honestly believe that that is just a happy coincidence that they would show something that would be central to the game that was cut early on?

I didn't think so.

I never stated that the entire UNSC armada will be there. Just a significant amount that would be able to assist and arm the Chief. One ship would do, like, I don't know, the UNSC Infinity.

And seriously do you believe that for the entire game, Chief will use only the guns found from the Forward Unto Dawn and forerunner weaponry? There is no way that the Chief will be in close proximity to the FUD for 100% of the campaign. While using forerunner weapons would be cool and all, I highly doubt that 343i would give the player only forerunner guns for the entire campaign.

...You seriously believe that the forerunners will be allies when, after both the enmity revealed in Cryptum and the subtly hinted at in Anniversary's 10th terminal, that the forerunners will be good guys? I can't prove my theory about the forerunners, but you also can't disprove mine. So we'll wait and see on that. Maybe Primodrium will help elaborate on this.

One final comment: No, I believe it is rightful for me to ask you with the kindest intentions: don't make me laugh.

I don't usually mean to be rude, but when you go out of your way to make your comments laced with rude undertones, I will do the same.

[Edited on 12.17.2011 5:00 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2011 4:57 PM PDT

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Even if the UNSC doesn't show up in Halo 4 we will see them again somewhere along the line, Frank O'Conner already stated that we will see BB the A.I. in Halo 4 and we might see characters like Buck and Arbiter again. It's really not a matter of if it's a matter of when. You cant cut the humans or covenant species' out of the story completely.

  • 12.17.2011 9:21 PM PDT

I believe that at the end of HALO 6 there's a chance that John-117 might actually die, but I am very sure that this trilogy will be the last we ever see of Cortana. She's already on her way out, so I bet that she'll die in this one. I do hope the Arbiter comes back, though.

-Ryan

  • 12.18.2011 5:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ryan And Amanda
I believe that at the end of HALO 6 there's a chance that John-117 might actually die, but I am very sure that this trilogy will be the last we ever see of Cortana. She's already on her way out, so I bet that she'll die in this one. I do hope the Arbiter comes back, though.

-Ryan



I think i should read glasslands, i just finished Cryptum... yeah.

I thought i was fairly well informed on the haloverse, but it seems i knew nothing.

-Amanda

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UNSC will be in Halo 4, no doubt. I cannot imagine a Halo game without other humans in it, or at least someone besides the Chief.


So because you cannot imagine a Halo game without humans each game must have them? Wow. Last time i check forerunners built halo not humans.

The concept trailer did have some type of pelican ship. Grasslands has it on the cover.. Frank said when the UNSC isn't at war, they're working hard at advancing there technology.

  • 12.18.2011 10:07 AM PDT
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343 confirmed Halo 4 takes place in 2553.


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Posted by: Ryan And Amanda
I believe that at the end of HALO 6 there's a chance that John-117 might actually die, but I am very sure that this trilogy will be the last we ever see of Cortana. She's already on her way out, so I bet that she'll die in this one. I do hope the Arbiter comes back, though.

-Ryan



I think i should read glasslands, i just finished Cryptum... yeah.

I thought i was fairly well informed on the haloverse, but it seems i knew nothing.

-Amanda



Yeah, Ryan's completely oblivious that one of the main aspects of the story is Master Chief trying to find a way to save Cortana from rampancy.


It's not like Master Chief is stranded on a planet with Forerunner technology...... same Forerunner technology that allowed Forerunner AI's, like Medicant Bias, to live 100s of thousands of years >_>



OH, and the Sangheli are in the eve of a major civil war, so I doubt the Arbiter, who's a main target of potential assassins, has enough time to reminisce the "good times" with the Chief


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Halo 4 leaked animation/cutscene


YOU'RE WELCOME


Frankie mentioned that the main threat was a "NEW ancient evil" which threatens the existence of the galaxy.

  • 12.18.2011 10:43 AM PDT

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Halo 4 leaked animation/cutscene


YOU'RE WELCOME


Frankie mentioned that the main threat was a "NEW ancient evil" which threatens the existence of the galaxy.


COnfirmed as a sample and throwaway idea.


Posted by: GuN
343 confirmed Halo 4 takes place in 2553.




Proof? Frankie said it is years after Halo 3, not A year.

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Halo 4 on the halopedia site.


  • 12.18.2011 11:00 AM PDT
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Isn't a throw way idea per day. Just a throw away cutscene.


New Ancient Evil? Mind I remind you that the new evil could easily be an ancient humanoid race?

  • 12.18.2011 11:02 AM PDT

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Halo 4 on the halopedia site.




Halopedia? Seriously?

Listen to the man himself.

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Posted by: GuN
Isn't a throw way idea per day. Just a throw away cutscene.


New Ancient Evil? Mind I remind you that the new evil could easily be an ancient humanoid race?


Read Cryptum. And also, halopedia aren't ideal source, sorry.

And, it said that it will take place in few years after Halo 3, so I'm calling it to be 2556 to 2558 for Halo 4.

Also, 2553 part is for Glasslands.

[Edited on 12.18.2011 11:05 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2011 11:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: GuN
Isn't a throw way idea per day. Just a throw away cutscene.


New Ancient Evil? Mind I remind you that the new evil could easily be an ancient humanoid race?


It's really simple dude, it doesn't count at all.

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Silly noobs


paragraph #2

It's not a throway idea, no one can deny that, aside from 343.


New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.


Btw, I did read both Glasslands and Cryptum, books that 343 claimed will have DIRECT relations to halo 4.



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  • 12.18.2011 11:24 AM PDT

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Silly noobs


paragraph #2

It's not a throway idea, no one can deny that, aside from 343.


New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.


Btw, I did read both Glasslands and Cryptum, books that 343 claimed will have DIRECT relations to halo 4.



First, that doesn't look like an official site...at all. Nowhere is that information on Halo Waypoint, only there. Nowhere.

Second, that site I linked you, it's from Nathan Walpole, an employee at 343 and he wrote it was a sample/throwaway idea.

Third, it's highly unlikely it will be human vs ancient human because all of ancient humanity was de-evolved. Does the name The Timeless One ring any bells?

Fourth, 343 also said you don't have to read the books to understand the story. So how exactly can they have two contradictory statements like that?

Come back with REAL, confirmed sources straight from the devs.

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a) Use google, bountiful number of sources stating 2553.

b) Throwaway idea, sure. Doesn't mean that whatever the hell that guy is isn't completely disappearing as an enemy.

c) You didn't read crytpum properly. It talks about rumors how some humans managed to escape the forerunners.

d) Sure, but a main part of Cryptum is the precursors or forerunners, both you were described as HUMANOID.



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  • 12.18.2011 11:35 AM PDT
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Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.

  • 12.18.2011 11:38 AM PDT

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a) Use google, bountiful number of sources stating 2553.


Top sources include fan speculation on Halopedia, speculation on gaming forums and then you're site which isn't an official site. But do tell how Halo 4 can be set in 2553, when Halo Legends Origins is set by 2555/2556? I'll wait. And I asked for official sources, so do bring them.

b) Throwaway idea, sure. Doesn't mean that whatever the hell that guy is isn't completely disappearing as an enemy.

Maybe, maybe not.

c) You didn't read crytpum properly. It talks about rumors how some humans managed to escape the forerunners.

No it didn't. I do know in Primordium some are being held on a Halo controlled by, you guessed it, the Timeless One and they are being used on bizarre experiments. No word on if they are pre-de-evolved or not. But if you could provide a source for the humans escaping, I'll gladly go over it.

d) Sure, but a main part of Cryptum is the precursors or forerunners, both you were described as HUMANOID.

Forerunners yes, Precursors no.

Derp

I'd refrain from doing that until you provide actual proof lest you end up looking like a fool.

  • 12.18.2011 11:42 AM PDT

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Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.


She says she is 7 in Halo Legends. Did you watch it?

  • 12.18.2011 11:43 AM PDT