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Subject: Halo 4 Speculation: UNSC in Halo 4? Forerunners? Precursors?

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Posted by: GuN
a) Use google, bountiful number of sources stating 2553.

b) Throwaway idea, sure. Doesn't mean that whatever the hell that guy is isn't completely disappearing as an enemy.

c) You didn't read crytpum properly. It talks about rumors how some humans managed to escape the forerunners.

d) Sure, but a main part of Cryptum is the precursors or forerunners, both you were described as HUMANOID.



Derp


1.) Google are not ideal source, try again.

2.) Still throwaway idea. It means that it won't appear or won't be similar for Halo 4.

3.) It never mentioned such thing. Seems it befalls on your shoulder to read Cryptum properly.

4.) Forerunners are not ancient evil. Precursors is mostly destroyed, let one left: Timeless One. It may be new ancient evil race or Timeless one as ancient evil. Also Precursors are not considered as Humanoid race, I'm afraid.

And calling someone derp is considered as ad hominem fallacy so it completely renders your any arguments void.

Give it up and move on.

Also, if you have watched Halo: Legends, in Origins where in 2556, MC and Cortana were still drifting and confirming that she is seven years old. Thus, rampancy begins in Halo 4 or possible to Metastability.

[Edited on 12.18.2011 11:47 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2011 11:44 AM PDT


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Posted by: GuN
Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.


And rampancy does not mean death. Especially if the AI has something to focus on.

Unless 343 is getting rid of the Smart AI of the rubble.
She says she is 7 in Halo Legends. Did you watch it?

  • 12.18.2011 11:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: GuN
New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.

That is just ridiculous.

  • 12.18.2011 11:54 AM PDT


Posted by: GuN
Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.


There is no set date for when an AI goes rampant, it becomes a fairly big possibility when they're just about 7 years old, but it's not like they immediately become rampant the moment they reach their seventh year. And in any case, if they have something of high priority to focus on (like say, oh I don't know, guarding/helping the Chief who's all alone and stranded God knows where), they can stave off rampancy for quite a while. Like that one AI did in the Cole Protocol, she was older than seven, yet she wasn't really rampant at all (rather quirky maybe and definitely not normal, but not really rampant either).

And rampancy doesn't really have anything at all do with lifespan, we don't know how long a Smart AI could live because the UNSC has never tried to find out, they always delete (make sure you understand that, it's not the AI just naturally "dieing out", they're being deleted by the UNSC) them after about 7 years because they're afraid of them going rampant, but other than that rampancy is not directly tied to lifespan. For all we know a UNSC Smart AI could live just as long as one of the Forerunner AIs.
And being in the Gravemind's clutches wouldn't mess with Cortana's life-span either, that would mess her mental stability.

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Posted by: GuN
Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.


There is no set date for when an AI goes rampant, it becomes a fairly big possibility when they're just about 7 years old, but it's not like they immediately become rampant the moment they reach their seventh year. And in any case, if they have something of high priority to focus on (like say, oh I don't know, guarding/helping the Chief who's all alone and stranded God knows where), they can stave off rampancy for quite a while. Like that one AI did in the Cole Protocol, she was older than seven, yet she wasn't really rampant at all (rather quirky maybe and definitely not normal, but not really rampant either).

And rampancy doesn't really have anything at all do with lifespan, we don't know how long a Smart AI could live because the UNSC has never tried to find out, they always delete (make sure you understand that, it's not the AI just naturally "dieing out", they're being deleted by the UNSC) them after about 7 years because they're afraid of them going rampant, but other than that rampancy is not directly tied to lifespan. For all we know a UNSC Smart AI could live just as long as one of the Forerunner AIs.
And being in the Gravemind's clutches wouldn't mess with Cortana's life-span either, that would mess her mental stability.


I was under the impression that in the clutches of the Gravemind, she had already gone rampant.

I have a feeling the she has reached Meta Stability in Halo 4 or soon after it. Also it'll give 343 an interesting character. More human.

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Dear -blam!-heads:

I got the year 2553 from an OFFICIAL interview with 343 in the OFFICIAL Xbox 360 magazine (novemeber 2011 edition)


Page 62.


Using -blam!- Halo anime to justify yourselves. Pathetic.



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Posted by: GuN
New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.

That is just ridiculous.



Is it? That's all Cryptum was alluding to: forerunner (humanoids) vs humans. It even talked about some humans escaping the Forerunners after the war.

Also, at the end of the CEA, Guilty Spark talks about how the Prometheans (forerunner warriors) should come back, but that there is no Librarian to keep the Didact tempered and how they may actually prefer the flood.

Exact dialogue is on the Halo 4 page on halopedia.


Forerunners=humanoid btw

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Forerunners are not ancient evil?


They had a f,ucking war with the humans for Christ's sake.
In fact, most humans from Erde Tyrene hated the Forerunners for how they de-evolved them. The only reason, in my opinion, that the humans were left as reclaimers was because they shared similar features/DNA to the Forerunners.


Even Guilty Spark mentioned at the end of CEA that the prometheans might come back and how they might not like what the humans have done.

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Posted by: GuN
Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.


She says she is 7 in Halo Legends. Did you watch it?



Using anime to justify yourself over the Official XBOX 360 magazine?

  • 12.18.2011 4:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: GuN
Dear -blam!-heads:

I got the year 2553 from an OFFICIAL interview with 343 in the OFFICIAL Xbox 360 magazine (novemeber 2011 edition)


Page 62.


Using -blam!- Halo anime to justify yourselves. Pathetic.



And I got my information from Frank O'Conner at the Tokyo Game Show and from Halo: Legends. So you may have a magazine, but we've got a canonical source and one from O'Conner himself.


Posted by: GuN


Is it? That's all Cryptum was alluding to: forerunner (humanoids) vs humans. It even talked about some humans escaping the Forerunners after the war.


Funny, it wasn't quite doing that. Seems most of the build-up was leading to the reveal of the Timeless One, the re-emergence of the Flood and the beginning of the Forerunner-Flood War.

Also, at the end of the CEA, Guilty Spark talks about how the Prometheans (forerunner warriors) should come back, but that there is no Librarian to keep the Didact tempered and how they may actually prefer the flood.

When you mess with his Halo, Spark gets upset. We've learned that from two games. Besides, said Terminals also revealed that he was going crazy. So Spark is essentially an unreliable narrator.

Exact dialogue is on the Halo 4 page on halopedia.

Forerunners=humanoid btw


Nobody disputes that.


Posted by: GuN

Using anime to justify yourself over the Official XBOX 360 magazine?


Anime that is canon over a magazine. Yeah, I do.

Problem?

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Posted by: GuN
Dear -blam!-heads:

I got the year 2553 from an OFFICIAL interview with 343 in the OFFICIAL Xbox 360 magazine (novemeber 2011 edition)


Page 62.


Using -blam!- Halo anime to justify yourselves. Pathetic.



Sadly, you may dislike this but you're gravely mistaken. Halo: Legends are canon as 343i says.

Period.

Accept that fact and move on.

  • 12.18.2011 4:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: GuN
New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.

That is just ridiculous.

Is it? That's all Cryptum was alluding to: forerunner (humanoids) vs humans. It even talked about some humans escaping the Forerunners after the war.

Also, at the end of the CEA, Guilty Spark talks about how the Prometheans (forerunner warriors) should come back, but that there is no Librarian to keep the Didact tempered and how they may actually prefer the flood.

Exact dialogue is on the Halo 4 page on halopedia.


Forerunners=humanoid btw

Explain to me how Ancient Humanity qualifies as evil, as per your original point.

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Posted by: GuN
Forerunners are not ancient evil?


They had a f,ucking war with the humans for Christ's sake.
In fact, most humans from Erde Tyrene hated the Forerunners for how they de-evolved them. The only reason, in my opinion, that the humans were left as reclaimers was because they shared similar features/DNA to the Forerunners.


Even Guilty Spark mentioned at the end of CEA that the prometheans might come back and how they might not like what the humans have done.


Calm down and understand what information we were given.

The enemy was said to be "A New, Ancient Evil, that is a threat to the universe."

Forerunners aren't new,ancient,evil, or a threat to the universe. Same for any race we currently know of.

Um Spark was speaking hypothetically, you can see that if you read the transcript. And The prometheans would not be mad that a ring was destroyed. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? Cortana says she is almost 7,that is new info therefore we have no reason to dispute it.

  • 12.18.2011 4:54 PM PDT

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When they said "new" ancient evil they don't totally mean something random that they pulled out of their -blam!-s, they mean something that has been present or slightly present in the lore of the universe but something that hasn't been a prominent threat before.
And like I stated once Frank said that the new trilogy will feature lots of A.I. We have BB, Cortana who is on the verge of rampancy and the remaining sentinels and monitors, and quite possibly Mendicant Bias and the omni present Gravemind.
Plus i'm sure the sentinels are pissed that we blew up the Ark and Installation 4.

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Posted by: GuN
Forerunners are not ancient evil?


They had a f,ucking war with the humans for Christ's sake.
In fact, most humans from Erde Tyrene hated the Forerunners for how they de-evolved them. The only reason, in my opinion, that the humans were left as reclaimers was because they shared similar features/DNA to the Forerunners.


Even Guilty Spark mentioned at the end of CEA that the prometheans might come back and how they might not like what the humans have done.


Calm down and understand what information we were given.

The enemy was said to be "A New, Ancient Evil, that is a threat to the universe."

Forerunners aren't new,ancient,evil, or a threat to the universe. Same for any race we currently know of.

Um Spark was speaking hypothetically, you can see that if you read the transcript. And The prometheans would not be mad that a ring was destroyed. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? Cortana says she is almost 7,that is new info therefore we have no reason to dispute it.


Considering the 2554 model Warthog is apparently in Halo 4, would we see it in 2553? Or is it too early to guess?

  • 12.18.2011 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Plus i'm sure the sentinels are pissed that we blew up the Ark and Installation 4.


How would they know WHO or WHAT blew them up? They are little more than mindless drones.

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Plus i'm sure the sentinels are pissed that we blew up the Ark and Installation 4.


How would they know WHO or WHAT blew them up? They are little more than mindless drones.

This. Sentinels have no authority and cannot accomplish anything without orders.

That is why they turned on us when we killed 343 at the end of Halo 3. They responded to a threat from the AI giving them orders.

They may have simple programming such as responding to an obvious threat, protecting their controller etc but multiple instances show that Sentinels need orders to do any specific task. 343 in the Control Room in Halo CE is one good piece of evidence.

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Posted by: GuN
Forerunners are not ancient evil?


They had a f,ucking war with the humans for Christ's sake.
In fact, most humans from Erde Tyrene hated the Forerunners for how they de-evolved them. The only reason, in my opinion, that the humans were left as reclaimers was because they shared similar features/DNA to the Forerunners.


Even Guilty Spark mentioned at the end of CEA that the prometheans might come back and how they might not like what the humans have done.


Calm down and understand what information we were given.

The enemy was said to be "A New, Ancient Evil, that is a threat to the universe."

Forerunners aren't new,ancient,evil, or a threat to the universe. Same for any race we currently know of.

Um Spark was speaking hypothetically, you can see that if you read the transcript. And The prometheans would not be mad that a ring was destroyed. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? Cortana says she is almost 7,that is new info therefore we have no reason to dispute it.


Considering the 2554 model Warthog is apparently in Halo 4, would we see it in 2553? Or is it too early to guess?


That was for Forza 4. Warthog can come from FuD easily enough.

  • 12.18.2011 5:57 PM PDT

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Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.

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  • 12.18.2011 6:17 PM PDT

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Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.


Halsey came later. They most likely attacked because of the high-risk nature of the Shield World or the troops stationed there attacked first triggering the Sentinels to attack.

  • 12.18.2011 6:20 PM PDT

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Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.


Halsey came later. They most likely attacked because of the high-risk nature of the Shield World or the troops stationed there attacked first triggering the Sentinels to attack.

No.. If you had payed attention to the timeline of when everything took place the sentinels were awoken on Onyx and responded to the threat (i.e. Halsey and the Spartans)because Chief had just destroyed Installation 4, but that is besides the point. The point here is that The Reclaimer Trilogy will get back to the roots of who owns the Mantle and we will most likely see a struggle between Monitors like we saw with the conflict between Mendicant Bias and the Didact and even between Guilty Spark and Pentient Tangent.

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Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.


Halsey came later. They most likely attacked because of the high-risk nature of the Shield World or the troops stationed there attacked first triggering the Sentinels to attack.

No.. If you had payed attention to the timeline of when everything took place the sentinels were awoken on Onyx and responded to the threat (i.e. Halsey and the Spartans)because Chief had just destroyed Installation 4, but that is besides the point. The point here is that The Reclaimer Trilogy will get back to the roots of who owns the Mantle and we will most likely see a struggle between Monitors like we saw with the conflict between Mendicant Bias and the Didact and even between Guilty Spark and Pentient Tangent.

Actually, you are wrong.

The reason they attacked the humans was because their first contact was through Spartan III's. Now, we know the Sentinels tried to figure out what they were facing.

Since the Spartan III's had special chemicals that changed their brain functions that other Spartans did not receive, the Sentinels would have not identified them as a true reclaimer, and classified them as a threat (since their brain is altered, the flood could have done it, one possible reason).

They would have classified all humans as threats, and attacked.

  • 12.18.2011 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.


Halsey came later. They most likely attacked because of the high-risk nature of the Shield World or the troops stationed there attacked first triggering the Sentinels to attack.

No.. If you had payed attention to the timeline of when everything took place the sentinels were awoken on Onyx and responded to the threat (i.e. Halsey and the Spartans)because Chief had just destroyed Installation 4, but that is besides the point. The point here is that The Reclaimer Trilogy will get back to the roots of who owns the Mantle and we will most likely see a struggle between Monitors like we saw with the conflict between Mendicant Bias and the Didact and even between Guilty Spark and Pentient Tangent.


Alpha Halo's activation/destruction may have activated the Sentinels, but they were obviously provoked to attack for an unrelated reason. When Ash started to speak to one, remember how it stopped and attempted to communicate? I'm willing to bet the machines spooked some of the troops stationed in Zone 67and started a fight.

  • 12.18.2011 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.


Halsey came later. They most likely attacked because of the high-risk nature of the Shield World or the troops stationed there attacked first triggering the Sentinels to attack.

No.. If you had payed attention to the timeline of when everything took place the sentinels were awoken on Onyx and responded to the threat (i.e. Halsey and the Spartans)because Chief had just destroyed Installation 4, but that is besides the point. The point here is that The Reclaimer Trilogy will get back to the roots of who owns the Mantle and we will most likely see a struggle between Monitors like we saw with the conflict between Mendicant Bias and the Didact and even between Guilty Spark and Pentient Tangent.


Alpha Halo's activation/destruction may have activated the Sentinels, but they were obviously provoked to attack for an unrelated reason. When Ash started to speak to one, remember how it stopped and attempted to communicate? I'm willing to bet the machines spooked some of the troops stationed in Zone 67and started a fight.

Alright I will agree with that, but back to the subject of all this I simply think that Forerunner A.I. will play a prominent role in the Reclaimer Trilogy, and John will most likely need to prevent what technology the Forerunners have left behind from being used once again by a force who thinks they are using it for the greater good just like Guilty Spark wanted to do.

  • 12.18.2011 6:46 PM PDT


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Posted by: GuN
Cortana was created on November 7th, 2549.


Can't be 2556+ because then she'd go rampant.


Minus the fact that Gravemind -blam!- her up, so it's possible her lifespan got reduced.


There is no set date for when an AI goes rampant, it becomes a fairly big possibility when they're just about 7 years old, but it's not like they immediately become rampant the moment they reach their seventh year. And in any case, if they have something of high priority to focus on (like say, oh I don't know, guarding/helping the Chief who's all alone and stranded God knows where), they can stave off rampancy for quite a while. Like that one AI did in the Cole Protocol, she was older than seven, yet she wasn't really rampant at all (rather quirky maybe and definitely not normal, but not really rampant either).

And rampancy doesn't really have anything at all do with lifespan, we don't know how long a Smart AI could live because the UNSC has never tried to find out, they always delete (make sure you understand that, it's not the AI just naturally "dieing out", they're being deleted by the UNSC) them after about 7 years because they're afraid of them going rampant, but other than that rampancy is not directly tied to lifespan. For all we know a UNSC Smart AI could live just as long as one of the Forerunner AIs.
And being in the Gravemind's clutches wouldn't mess with Cortana's life-span either, that would mess her mental stability.


I was under the impression that in the clutches of the Gravemind, she had already gone rampant.

I have a feeling the she has reached Meta Stability in Halo 4 or soon after it. Also it'll give 343 an interesting character. More human.


That's what I think as well, that she already experienced rampancy while in the Gravemind's clutches and is either now in the early stages of meta-stability or the later stages of rampancy and quickly working her way out of it. I was merely explaining rampancy as best I understood it to GuN since he didn't really seem to understand how it all worked.

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