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Subject: Halo 4 Speculation: UNSC in Halo 4? Forerunners? Precursors?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

She didn't go rampant, all of that was covered and explained in "Human Weakness".

[Edited on 12.18.2011 8:23 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2011 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: GuN

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New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.

That is just ridiculous.



Is it? That's all Cryptum was alluding to: forerunner (humanoids) vs humans. It even talked about some humans escaping the Forerunners after the war.

Also, at the end of the CEA, Guilty Spark talks about how the Prometheans (forerunner warriors) should come back, but that there is no Librarian to keep the Didact tempered and how they may actually prefer the flood.

Exact dialogue is on the Halo 4 page on halopedia.


Forerunners=humanoid btw


343 isn't stupid enough to turn it into a game where you're not fighting aliens. That's crossing the line into the world of CoD, Battlefield, MoH, etc. etc. etc. x40, and plain unoriginality.

Don't kid yourself.

[Edited on 12.19.2011 12:51 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2011 12:48 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
As much as 343i would like to think, Halo is not about Master Chief.


To be fair, Chief is the iconic symbol of the Halo franchise and marketing takes first priority.

So no and yes.

[Edited on 12.19.2011 12:59 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2011 12:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: anton1792
As much as 343i would like to think, Halo is not about Master Chief.


To be fair, Chief is the iconic symbol of the Halo franchise.

So no and yes.


Only because he is the only thing to represent halo right now. You don't need to be tough if your the only fish in the pond.


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Don't kid yourself.


They would be stupid if they never did, the post covenant war era is going to be bland because they are going to have to create some new pointless threat to keep the series engaged.

What they should do is goo back a few hundred years and start some games based off the human wars of the time.

  • 12.19.2011 1:01 AM PDT

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Ok just so I can quell the stupid theories about the series not being about chief, Frank already said that the whole trilogy will focus on Chief and his character development.
This trilogy will put Chief in some very heavy emotional and psychological situations where he must use his brain rather than his brawn.

  • 12.19.2011 9:54 AM PDT


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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: anton1792
As much as 343i would like to think, Halo is not about Master Chief.


To be fair, Chief is the iconic symbol of the Halo franchise.

So no and yes.


Only because he is the only thing to represent halo right now. You don't need to be tough if your the only fish in the pond.


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Don't kid yourself.


They would be stupid if they never did, the post covenant war era is going to be bland because they are going to have to create some new pointless threat to keep the series engaged.

What they should do is goo back a few hundred years and start some games based off the human wars of the time.


Maybe so.

  • 12.19.2011 11:40 AM PDT
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Without a doubt we'll get to fight humans, possibly even Spartan IVs. But it'll probably just be some Innies (maybe even in a flashback).

  • 12.20.2011 11:10 AM PDT
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ahem


Not all of Halo Legends is cannon

How can Halo Glasslands not have an impact on Halo 4 if "it's set years after Halo 3"?

I don't give two -blam!-s what O'Connor said in an interview two years old, the OFFICIAL xbox magazine (November 2011 edition) had an OFFICAL interview with 343 and they said 2553.


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Berzerk Gnome

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Well In Ghosts Of Onyx the sentinels attacked Halsey and the Spartans because the responded to Installation 4 being blown up.


Halsey came later. They most likely attacked because of the high-risk nature of the Shield World or the troops stationed there attacked first triggering the Sentinels to attack.

No.. If you had payed attention to the timeline of when everything took place the sentinels were awoken on Onyx and responded to the threat (i.e. Halsey and the Spartans)because Chief had just destroyed Installation 4, but that is besides the point. The point here is that The Reclaimer Trilogy will get back to the roots of who owns the Mantle and we will most likely see a struggle between Monitors like we saw with the conflict between Mendicant Bias and the Didact and even between Guilty Spark and Pentient Tangent.


Alpha Halo's activation/destruction may have activated the Sentinels, but they were obviously provoked to attack for an unrelated reason. When Ash started to speak to one, remember how it stopped and attempted to communicate? I'm willing to bet the machines spooked some of the troops stationed in Zone 67and started a fight.



I guess your idiocy leads to fallacies all over the place.

It did try to communicate because it thought Ash was a reclaimer, no other reason. And no, sentinels don't attack unless their installations/structures are under threat of attack/ being attacked/destroyed.


If someone isn't a reclaimer, a sentinel views it as an enemy.
It even tried speaking to Ash in Latin, one of humanity's primal languages. There's mystery to what happened in Zone 67,but the sentinels never attack reclaimers.

The only time they did (so far) is on Onyx, because Master Chief destroyed installation 4(said so in the the book) and when Guilty Spark commanded them to in Alpha Halo and the second Installation 4.



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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: GuN

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: GuN
New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.

That is just ridiculous.



Is it? That's all Cryptum was alluding to: forerunner (humanoids) vs humans. It even talked about some humans escaping the Forerunners after the war.

Also, at the end of the CEA, Guilty Spark talks about how the Prometheans (forerunner warriors) should come back, but that there is no Librarian to keep the Didact tempered and how they may actually prefer the flood.

Exact dialogue is on the Halo 4 page on halopedia.


Forerunners=humanoid btw


343 isn't stupid enough to turn it into a game where you're not fighting aliens. That's crossing the line into the world of CoD, Battlefield, MoH, etc. etc. etc. x40, and plain unoriginality.

Don't kid yourself.



really? A ridiculous amount of battles in the books are with the Insurrectionists.

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Posted by: GuN
ahem


Not all of Halo Legends is cannon

How can Halo Glasslands not have an impact on Halo 4 if "it's set years after Halo 3"?

I don't give two -blam!-s what O'Connor said in an interview two years old, the OFFICIAL xbox magazine (November 2011 edition) had an OFFICAL interview with 343 and they said 2553.




Halo Legends are all canon but Odd One Out.

Glasslands had some hints for Halo 4, that's it.

And, frankie's comments on the Halo 4 being few years after Halo 3 trumps the official xbox magazine. Because Frankie is franchise director, it's like his word are law for Halo-related information.



[Edited on 12.20.2011 4:01 PM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 3:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: GuN
I guess your idiocy leads to fallacies all over the place.


Wow, are you still ridiculously butthurt because we have more proof about Halo 4's date in the Halo lore than you? LOL.

It did try to communicate because it thought Ash was a reclaimer, no other reason. And no, sentinels don't attack unless their installations/structures are under threat of attack/ being attacked/destroyed.

You do realize Ash and his team fired on a Sentinel before it tried attacking them right and only tried to communicate when he started talking? In fact, the Sentinels were already attacking. So obviously the Sentinels felt the troops stationed in Zone 67 were a threat to Onyx.

If someone isn't a reclaimer, a sentinel views it as an enemy. It even tried speaking to Ash in Latin, one of humanity's primal languages. There's mystery to what happened in Zone 67, but the sentinels never attack reclaimers.

Sure explains why perfectly human troops were blasted away by the Sentinels. I still contend the human troops shot first, but they are still reclaimers and by your logic, they should've tried communicating, the Sentinels I mean. Didn't go down like that. Maybe if a Monitor was there to ease the situation things would've been different, but no.

The only time they did (so far) is on Onyx, because Master Chief destroyed installation 4(said so in the the book) and when Guilty Spark commanded them to in Alpha Halo and the second Installation 4.

Line Installation 1-4 has hostile Sentinels, even to the Spartans of Black Team. Hell, the Monitor was going to dissect Black-1.

  • 12.20.2011 4:13 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: GuN
ahem


Not all of Halo Legends is cannon

How can Halo Glasslands not have an impact on Halo 4 if "it's set years after Halo 3"?

I don't give two -blam!-s what O'Connor said in an interview two years old, the OFFICIAL xbox magazine (November 2011 edition) had an OFFICAL interview with 343 and they said 2553.




*ahem*

Halo: Legends is canon, minus Odd One Out and that episode does not deal with anything post-Halo 3 at all.

Glasslands may not have a huge impact because 343 also said you don't need to read the books to understand the things that occur in Halo 4's story.

Also, the Tokyo Game Show interview is merely from three months ago. We still have more sources than you do. We'll see, but if it is 2553, then 343 sucks at keeping up with it's own information.

  • 12.20.2011 4:17 PM PDT

Cortana may be rampant but she may have reached stage 5:

Metastability is the theoretical fourth stage of rampancy, where an AI can finally be said to be a true "person." While a metastable AI can be considered to be the holy grail of cybernetics research, the only AIs who have possibly achieved metastability are 05-032 Mendicant Bias and Cortana. However, Halo Origins suggests that Cortana did indeed become rampant, though it is possible she had to go through rampancy to get to metastability.



So cortana may not be have to "other" symptons of rampancy.

Check out rampancy in Halo at: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Rampancy

  • 12.30.2011 7:09 PM PDT

Posted by: bat out of h3ll
A lost ship full of marines would be the best way to explain an UNSC presence.


Spirit of Fire...

  • 12.31.2011 3:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: GuN
ahem


Not all of Halo Legends is cannon

How can Halo Glasslands not have an impact on Halo 4 if "it's set years after Halo 3"?

I don't give two -blam!-s what O'Connor said in an interview two years old, the OFFICIAL xbox magazine (November 2011 edition) had an OFFICAL interview with 343 and they said 2553.




Halo Legends are all canon but Odd One Out.

Glasslands had some hints for Halo 4, that's it.

And, frankie's comments on the Halo 4 being few years after Halo 3 trumps the official xbox magazine. Because Frankie is franchise director, it's like his word are law for Halo-related information.



Indeed, and didn't he confirm it already that Halo 4 was going to be set in 2556?

  • 12.31.2011 3:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
Bias is dead unless he is piggybacking off cortana.


He could be rebuilt just as the halos get rebuild by ark.

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personaly i think there should be a twist....... noble one never died and somehow he is on this planet and noble one should comes to chiefs aid as the chief is surrounded and noble one snipes them all and we should get to see noble ones face and noble one should be chiefs only allie through it until the very end when the unsc show up some how with the arbiter :) but noble one should get killed saving master chief somewhere near the end. and then master chief is the only sparten again

  • 12.31.2011 5:03 AM PDT

Noble 1 is dead, he flew his pelican into a Scarab Kamakazee style. You must be talking about Red Team or Noble 3 (June).

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: grey101
Bias is dead unless he is piggybacking off cortana.


He could be rebuilt just as the halos get rebuild by ark.


..

  • 12.31.2011 10:22 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: grey101
Bias is dead unless he is piggybacking off cortana.


He could be rebuilt just as the halos get rebuild by ark.


..


It's not a far out suggestion, I think it will happen with 343 Guilty Spark due to all the exposition he and the monitors in general have been receiving lately (and he's also the developers's namesake). But I believe Mendicant Bias is already hitching around with Cortana, personally.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

MB said his life was over; He has lived for over 100,000 years and has experienced alot in that time, His death has a significance. That is why i don't support any Ideas of him living and the same for the Didact (Though i do have some), It takes the significance out of the death.

I Only "support" the piggy backing Idea out of respect for the Cortana Letters.

  • 12.31.2011 11:05 AM PDT

You have a point, and I had forgotten about that line. Still, the 'end of my life' could always be construed as metaphoric; the end of his life as a traitor. It's unlikely, but it leaves a little breathing room should 343i decide to carry him on as possibly hinted at in Origins.

Look at the centre of Bias' form.

Yup.

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You have a point, and I had forgotten about that line. Still, the 'end of my life' could always be construed as metaphoric; the end of his life as a traitor. It's unlikely, but it leaves a little breathing room should 343i decide to carry him on as possibly hinted at in Origins.


Look at the centre of Bias' form.

Yup.

Good Spotting!!!!

[Edited on 12.31.2011 11:29 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 11:28 AM PDT


Posted by: GuN

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

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Posted by: GuN
New Ancient Evil? Rumors are going out that it's human vs ancient human.

That is just ridiculous.



Is it? That's all Cryptum was alluding to: forerunner (humanoids) vs humans. It even talked about some humans escaping the Forerunners after the war.

Also, at the end of the CEA, Guilty Spark talks about how the Prometheans (forerunner warriors) should come back, but that there is no Librarian to keep the Didact tempered and how they may actually prefer the flood.

Exact dialogue is on the Halo 4 page on halopedia.


Forerunners=humanoid btw


343 isn't stupid enough to turn it into a game where you're not fighting aliens. That's crossing the line into the world of CoD, Battlefield, MoH, etc. etc. etc. x40, and plain unoriginality.

Don't kid yourself.



really? A ridiculous amount of battles in the books are with the Insurrectionists.


It's a good thing that means absolutely nothing in context of gameplay.

The Halo games have ALWAYS been about fighting alien lifeforms. It didn't change back then with the Innies in the books, and it's certainly not going to change now with Innies in the books.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 3:17 PM PST]

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