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Subject: Why do people complain about bloom?

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Seriously, the only argument I ever see against it is "It decreases the skill gap, herp derp." Seriously? Noobs are still noobs, they'll probably be even worse because of bloom, and the truly skilled players are going to be able to deal with it. If anything it should increase the skill gap. And when people say: "DMR bloom slows down the gameplay." It's because they are comparing it to the BR. The DMR is a completely different weapon, stop treating it like it isn't. Halo: Reach is a new game, stop trying to play it like it's Halo 3.

If you can't deal with bloom, by all means, play Living Dead! Grifball even! It's not like you get less credits.

There's my opinion. Discuss.

  • 12.17.2011 6:26 AM PDT

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  • 12.17.2011 6:27 AM PDT

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Nobody does anymore because it's lessened in the good playlists and it doesn't exist in MLG.

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Posted by: Xerzaph
Halo: Reach is a new game, stop trying to play it like it's Halo 3.


A thousand times, this. Even if I don't agree with much else in your post. Sorry.

  • 12.17.2011 6:30 AM PDT

It's just frustrating is all.

Player A shoots player B slow to make sure all shots hit
Player B shoots as fast as he can, but because of bloom all shots hit because of LUCK.
Player A dies to player B because he was taking the time to make sure all his shots hit, when Player B just spammed and his shots hit because of luck. Player B didnt outplay Player A, it was just luck.

Im not one of the MLG elitists out there, I do well with bloom or no bloom. It's just that one kill that you KNOW you should have had, but the other guy got it because of luck. I agree that bloom is extremely exaggerated, but it is still slightly frustrating when it affects CQC so much.

  • 12.17.2011 6:31 AM PDT

I agree with you point that noobs will still be noobs. A good players should always be able to come out with the win. The DMR with no bloom is much better. Every pro, and almost all good halo players prefer no bloom. The speed of the game does affect your enjoyment while playing it. It is also more fun watching a faster paced game.

  • 12.17.2011 6:36 AM PDT

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People STILL don't know how to play with the DMR. If you're at close range you can shoot as fast as you can because the enemy player's head is bigger so it covers the entire crosshair even in full bloom. At medium range you can still shoot moderately fast. You just have to make sure the enemies head covers the entire crosshair.

  • 12.17.2011 6:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: FISHYburned
It's just frustrating is all.

Player A shoots player B slow to make sure all shots hit
Player B shoots as fast as he can, but because of bloom all shots hit because of LUCK.
Player A dies to player B because he was taking the time to make sure all his shots hit, when Player B just spammed and his shots hit because of luck. Player B didnt outplay Player A, it was just luck.

Im not one of the MLG elitists out there, I do well with bloom or no bloom. It's just that one kill that you KNOW you should have had, but the other guy got it because of luck. I agree that bloom is extremely exaggerated, but it is still slightly frustrating when it affects CQC so much.

FINALLY I've found someone who will give a reasoned discussion.

The only problem with that scenario is that it is very rare, and the DMR isn't designed to be used at ranges where pacing is irrelevant. I mentioned "it's not the BR" which is definitely true, it's name, "Designated Marksman Rifle" even gives you a straight-out: "Use me at a range you silly person!" There isn't really anything wrong with DMR bloom, but AR bloom is what screws it up, the AR is no longer a viable weapon to use, when it should be your primary CQC weapon. Aside from the melee weapons or Shotgun, the AR should be the "don't come close to me" mother of all spray and pray weapons.

  • 12.17.2011 6:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


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because I like pen­is.

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Bloom on paper - Created to punish people spamming their weapons.

Bloom in actual gameplay - Spamming your weapon increases your chances of success. Rolling a dice would be a viable replacement.

  • 12.17.2011 6:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kira Onime
Bloom on paper - Created to punish people spamming their weapons.

Bloom in actual gameplay - Spamming your weapon increases your chances of success. Rolling a dice would be a viable replacement.

Only in CQC... At which point you really should be firing as fast as you can anyway.

  • 12.17.2011 7:00 AM PDT

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Aside from the randomness it just feels like a limitation for good players. I know that I can shoot fast whilst retaining accuracy, and if I can do that then I feel that I should be rewarded for it (likewise if my shot isn't as good as my opponent's I do not expect to get a lucky break, that's just demeaning). Bloom attempts to standardise a low firing speed, except it allows people to take their chances firing more quickly in exchange for consistency.

It just really frustrating for your input to be fast and accurate but for the game to punish you for being better in that regard.

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Posted by: Xerzaph
Posted by: Kira Onime
Bloom on paper - Created to punish people spamming their weapons.

Bloom in actual gameplay - Spamming your weapon increases your chances of success. Rolling a dice would be a viable replacement.

Only in CQC... At which point you really should be firing as fast as you can anyway.
You can do it at medium and long range too.

  • 12.17.2011 7:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

source


Posted by: Xerzaph
Posted by: Kira Onime
Bloom on paper - Created to punish people spamming their weapons.

Bloom in actual gameplay - Spamming your weapon increases your chances of success. Rolling a dice would be a viable replacement.

Only in CQC... At which point you really should be firing as fast as you can anyway.


Spamming works on long range.
The only time it might not be that effective is cross-mapping..... but then again, can still work.

  • 12.17.2011 7:11 AM PDT

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Last time I checked, not a single bullet hits at long range when you spam. You might hit once if you're lucky.

  • 12.17.2011 7:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

source


Posted by: Xerzaph
You might hit once if you're lucky.



Say thx to bloom for that lucky hit :D

  • 12.17.2011 7:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: Xerzaph
You might hit once if you're lucky.



Say thx to bloom for that lucky hit :D

...Darn.

  • 12.17.2011 7:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: ankor66
People STILL don't know how to play with the DMR. If you're at close range you can shoot as fast as you can because the enemy player's head is bigger so it covers the entire crosshair even in full bloom. At medium range you can still shoot moderately fast. You just have to make sure the enemies head covers the entire crosshair.


THIS. Nothing else, 'cept for this.

  • 12.17.2011 7:35 AM PDT

I like 85% bloom it looks cool lol. Anyway either way there is skill with bloom at long range cqc its just a spamming whore. And im boss with the AR at range, its a dirty harry the AR. my 2 cents,.

  • 12.17.2011 7:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: cHr1519
I like 85% bloom it looks cool lol. Anyway either way there is skill with bloom at long range cqc its just a spamming whore. And im boss with the AR at range, its a dirty harry the AR. my 2 cents,.

It's a pity they nerfed the bullet damage though, it would make it so much better if they hadn't.

  • 12.17.2011 7:42 AM PDT

Could be worse...

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Indeed.

  • 12.17.2011 7:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Xerzaph

Posted by: FISHYburned
It's just frustrating is all.

Player A shoots player B slow to make sure all shots hit
Player B shoots as fast as he can, but because of bloom all shots hit because of LUCK.
Player A dies to player B because he was taking the time to make sure all his shots hit, when Player B just spammed and his shots hit because of luck. Player B didnt outplay Player A, it was just luck.

Im not one of the MLG elitists out there, I do well with bloom or no bloom. It's just that one kill that you KNOW you should have had, but the other guy got it because of luck. I agree that bloom is extremely exaggerated, but it is still slightly frustrating when it affects CQC so much.

FINALLY I've found someone who will give a reasoned discussion.

The only problem with that scenario is that it is very rare, and the DMR isn't designed to be used at ranges where pacing is irrelevant. I mentioned "it's not the BR" which is definitely true, it's name, "Designated Marksman Rifle" even gives you a straight-out: "Use me at a range you silly person!" There isn't really anything wrong with DMR bloom, but AR bloom is what screws it up, the AR is no longer a viable weapon to use, when it should be your primary CQC weapon. Aside from the melee weapons or Shotgun, the AR should be the "don't come close to me" mother of all spray and pray weapons.


Bloom is so broken that I only spam my shots and I always get kills.

  • 12.17.2011 8:22 AM PDT

AR sucks and dmr bloom sux blahh blah
no bloom iz beast

thanks for your time

  • 12.17.2011 9:50 AM PDT
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If you don't like it, then the Zero Bloom playlist is right over there! What a great concept, right OP? lol

  • 12.17.2011 9:57 AM PDT
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Posted by:MR E0S
Why is hypocrite spelled with an E at the end?
The I in crite is not pronounce as eye.

So, on the one hand I spell it out exactly as it should be.
You follow the standard set before you by fools who can't even get a handle on the rules of their own language.

In theory, bloom makes it more beneficial to shoot more slowly.

Mathematically, bloom doesn't do enough to disregard how fire volume would do, and thus shooting 10 bullets in the same time it takes to shoot 5 perfectly with no bloom would have no downsides.

  • 12.17.2011 10:27 AM PDT

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