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Subject: Bungie.net deviance

Meh, I'm not really sure. I know the rules pretty well, but I break them pretty often on accident. I never mean to break the rules, I just do it on accident. It's hard to explain. I don't go into a thread going "I know this is against the rules, but I'm going to post this anyway," I just post it and fail to realize it broke the rules until I get that PM.

EDIT: I referred to myself because I am a prime example of what you are talking about.

[Edited on 12.18.2011 9:58 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2011 9:57 AM PDT
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Just to tell you, the word the can be used before a plural. (Example: The football team was a very large collection of football players.) You should of pointed out that cause should of said causes, but I was only asking for a persons opinion which doesn't have to be made up of a collection of multiple theories.

I never assumed anything other then that there is a large group of users that commonly break the rules and a large group of users that don't. If you find a time when I said that there are only two groups of people (rule breakers and followers), call me out on it, but I didn't say that.

I never asked what you'd do to change the members. I never asked you'd do to change the rules. I only asked what you think could prevent the breaking of rules.
Posted by: homocidalham

[Edited on 12.18.2011 11:38 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2011 11:07 AM PDT

Yes, there're too many numbers in my name.

I'm assuming the reason that some people choose to follow the rules and some don't is because the internet is a dark and scary place. And the Bungie forums are a very safe place compared to the rest of the internet.

So newcomers may not be aware of the fact that this is a very strict environment and they're just not used to it. I remember when I used to be the same way. That is untilI I took an arrow to the knee.

  • 12.18.2011 12:09 PM PDT

i c u thar c' ing my signiture

Yours in _Kai_


Posted by: Telec
Maybe they just want to be punished

oh la la... That could be it, makes sense.

  • 12.18.2011 12:19 PM PDT

New Marathon? Thanks Bungie!

trolls, theyre all over the web

  • 12.18.2011 2:24 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Does it really matter?

As long as somebody isn't posting anything malicious to this site, I rarely report them. People should take bungie.net a lot less seriously.

  • 12.18.2011 4:03 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


Posted by: Izak609
Just to tell you, the word the can be used before a plural. (Example: The football team was a very large collection of football players.)


While, yes, "the" can be used before a plural, your example is incorrect. Football team would be singular in that case. It would also not apply to "cause," which is singular in the context of the original post. Aside from that, you also wrote "is." This makes the the number of causes unambiguously one.

You should of pointed out that cause should of said causes, but I was only asking for a persons opinion which doesn't have to be made up of a collection of multiple theories.

If I had pointed out that you should have said "causes," it would have been presumptuous and disrespectful of me. It would have been me assuming that you didn't mean what you had written. Generally, I assume most people to be smart enough to write what they mean. It's the difference between responding to another person and misquoting them. What I did was disagree with the given premise at the time.

If you didn't actually mean the denotation of the semantic structure, that's fine. If that's the case, just disregard the statement, but I'm not gifted with psychic powers that grant me the ability to see the intent of writing, so it is still a valid response to the original given premises, regardless of what the new premises are.

I never assumed anything other then that there is a large group of users that commonly break the rules and a large group of users that don't. If you find a time when I said that there are only two groups of people (rule breakers and followers), call me out on it, but I didn't say that.

Again, even if you didn't mean exactly what you wrote, you didn't use any qualifiers. While you didn't mention that there are only two groups, you mentioned nothing about people who didn't fit into the category. I can't automatically assign assumptions or beliefs to you which you don't state. Please save my time by not trying to use a Reductio ad absurdum argument in response to this.

There is no denotation in what isn't said.


I never asked what you'd do to change the members. I never asked you'd do to change the rules. I only asked what you think could prevent the breaking of rules.

You asked how we can make the rules easier to follow. I wrote:

The only thing the bungie.net moderators can use for coercion is taking away a person's account, but there isn't any way of making a person care about it.

In the end, I don't think we should think about the rules in terms of changing people. The rules are the standards we have on this site. They are simply a line that is drawn. People will cross them because they don't understand it or they don't care. It doesn't matter which. If people were so predictable that they could all respond uniformly to some sort of stimuli, regardless of how beneficial it would be, I wouldn't want to interact with on the forums. People would be boring if they were so predictable.


Id est, we can't make it easier for people to follow the rules because people who don't care about them can't be made to care.

To clarify even further: You asked how we should make the rules easier to follow. I responded with "don't bother."



One more thing. All of this is nitpicking over the finer points of grammar and sentence structure. Thus, I think it is prudent for me to say right here that when you questioned whether what I posted was relevant to the topic, I took it as an insult. In this I might be mistaken, as I've been stressed out lately and am in somewhat of a sour mood. However, it is best that I assume the best of intent. Therefore, I will accept a clarification: When you asked what my post had to do with the topic, did you ask rhetorically or inquisitively?

  • 12.18.2011 4:20 PM PDT

There is a sociology of basically anything and everything. The sociology of Bnet, in terms of rule-breaking is something that deals with an array of things. The deviance can come from any source: a troll, an everyday member, a new member, a forum ninja, an employee.

In the case of the troll it is usually personal immaturity and the ability to be an anonymous person that wreaks their own form of habits and reap the benefits of their activities.

The everyday member may break the rules and expect to get away with it, and this may be the case, but at other times if they are caught, they face their consequences and I would argue this doesn't happen often.

With a new member it could be person and/or site immaturity. Usually the immaturity is manifested in posting in the wrong forum or just being plainly troll-like and flaming, etc.

A forum ninja and/or an employee rarely breaks the rules but it is happened. I remember ADG tin man getting banned for promoting his twitter page in what I believe was the Halo 3 forum. Once again, I would argue this also does not happen often.

  • 12.18.2011 4:37 PM PDT
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homocidalham, I'm trying my best to explain to you that I'm only asking a question, not making any sort of statement with my question or presuming anything.

As fun as arguing over the proper usage of my grammar sounds to me (I like to reiterate that it sounds just as fun as swallowing a bar of soap), I honestly don't care what the or causes means or implies, I only care about what I'm trying to tell you, I think it's pretty clear by now.
Posted by: homocidalham

  • 12.18.2011 6:23 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."


Posted by: Izak609
homocidalham, I'm trying my best to explain to you that I'm only asking a question, not making any sort of statement with my question or presuming anything.

As fun as arguing over the proper usage of my grammar sounds to me (I like to reiterate that it sounds just as fun as swallowing a bar of soap), I honestly don't care what the or causes means or implies, I only care about what I'm trying to tell you, I think it's pretty clear by now.
Posted by: homocidalham


I understand that you are asking a question, but certain questions have necessary premises. You very well couldn't ask why something happens without first accepting that it has happened. Your questions are asking about groups that I fail to recognize. Perhaps I could have said it in a less round about way, but I didn't.

Also, it is regrettable that a thread has gotten us arguing over rather insignificant issues. I apologize if I came across as being angry. I currently have a case of non-bacterial pneumonia that my doctor prescribed oral steroids for and, while making me feel better, the meds have made me incredibly irritable for the past few days. As such, perhaps it would be best for me to end my part in the discussion here. I'm not actually sure what we're arguing about this point and my bitterness has jaded me past the point of having meaningful discussion on the matter and I don't think it's fair for me to fill the topic with negative energy.

  • 12.18.2011 7:20 PM PDT

Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien.
Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar.
tenn' Ambar-metta!

I write what I feel, even if means breaking the rules. (Although I try not to... ;9 )

  • 12.18.2011 7:35 PM PDT
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I think that's the overall feel for many users.
Posted by: MasterSin
I write what I feel, even if means breaking the rules. (Although I try not to...)

  • 12.18.2011 7:38 PM PDT

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