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Subject: why do people think reach is a bad game


Posted by: MarkFanous
I just wrote out a long ass post explaining to you why this game sucks for competitive people and why you don't see the problems that this game has. You chose to ignore it. I'm not trying to insult your stats. I couldn't care less whether you're good at Halo or not, and neither should you. The point is that they are relevant in this discussion because you will not see the same tactics and abuse at low levels of competition as you will at high levels. As you generally play at a low level, you are unlikely to understand the issues because you never face them. At your levels, no one ever votes Reflection or Sword Base because they know that they are pretty much guaranteed the win because no one sees the unbalance. At high levels, everyone does. If Sword Base or Reflection comes up, all 4 players on Red Team, if they are competent, will be all over that -blam!-. There's no reason for them not to vote for it because of the inherent advantages they get from spawn.



[Edited on 12.23.2011 4:48 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 4:48 AM PDT

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  • 12.23.2011 5:13 AM PDT
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It's not a bad game - it's just not a good game. It's mediocre at best.

  • 12.23.2011 5:22 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

They can't adapt.

  • 12.23.2011 5:31 AM PDT


Posted by: lord of dahorde
They can't adapt.
We can, and we have. It doesn't mean the changes are good.

  • 12.23.2011 6:04 AM PDT

This game is broken, I feel like i have been beta testing it for over a year.

  • 12.23.2011 6:13 AM PDT

Halo 3 is still fun.

  • 12.23.2011 6:13 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: Blacknight159

I'm waiting for you to have actual game knowledge.

The post you made that I later used was a brainfart from start to finish.
The "adapt" argument was, and still is the most idiotic "argument" one can use.



It's idiotic to you because you can't find anyway to counter it. There's nothing you can do. ADAPT OR MOVE ON. \

Again, waiting for a response with actual ingame examples that you actually faced for evidence that these "issues" that you have with the game are true.


Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: Blacknight159


*Looks at stats


Nope, your opinion is invalid.


Oh lookie here! Another big kid trying to denounce my right to speak! Look kid, I have no opinions here. So before you actually type something, maybe you should process some info into that empty shell of yours before you start posting here on the forums okay? Secondly, where are your stats huh? I don't see any? Surely if you think my stats aren't "good enough" for me to have a say in here, then where are your stats hmm? Is there something to hide kiddo? Maybe it's your .80 k/d or your excessive griffball boosting or spawn trapping with your butt--blam!- buddies is that right? Oh please, correct me if I'm wrong. Just show me your reach stats and then we'll get right on down to business okay bud? If you can't do that for me, then why don't you do us all a favor and GET THE -blam!- OUT.

  • 12.23.2011 6:27 AM PDT
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My Level. Get on it.


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Nope. SouthPole isn't a person. He's the avatar of the force of tryhards everywhere. He stalks the web looking for retards to set straight. He can not be stopped by mere bans or thread locks for he shall rise anew.


Posted by: Blacknight159

Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: Blacknight159

I'm waiting for you to have actual game knowledge.

The post you made that I later used was a brainfart from start to finish.
The "adapt" argument was, and still is the most idiotic "argument" one can use.



It's idiotic to you because you can't find anyway to counter it. There's nothing you can do. ADAPT OR MOVE ON. \

Again, waiting for a response with actual ingame examples that you actually faced for evidence that these "issues" that you have with the game are true.


Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: Blacknight159


*Looks at stats


Nope, your opinion is invalid.


Oh lookie here! Another big kid trying to denounce my right to speak! Look kid, I have no opinions here. So before you actually type something, maybe you should process some info into that empty shell of yours before you start posting here on the forums okay? Secondly, where are your stats huh? I don't see any? Surely if you think my stats aren't "good enough" for me to have a say in here, then where are your stats hmm? Is there something to hide kiddo? Maybe it's your .80 k/d or your excessive griffball boosting or spawn trapping with your butt--blam!- buddies is that right? Oh please, correct me if I'm wrong. Just show me your reach stats and then we'll get right on down to business okay bud? If you can't do that for me, then why don't you do us all a favor and GET THE -blam!- OUT.


No. It's a valid argument to you because you're either retarded or incredibly ignorant. We can and have adapted, but that doesn't magically make Reach good game.

And no, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you in detail why it's a bad game. You know why? Because you're bad. You're either too stupid or too inexperienced to have a conversation with.

Reach is bad. Fact. You think it's a coincidence that only the bad players like it?

  • 12.23.2011 6:44 AM PDT


Posted by: Blacknight159
My gamertag is linked and I have provided examples of problems within Reach, and I have stated why you wouldn't understand these issues as you never have to face them because you only play against people who are just as bad as you.

then we'll get right on down to business okay bud?
Sure thing.

Edit: Lol, checked stats. All you play is Grifball and Invasion. You're in no position to be any kind of judge whether or not Reach is a game. You have very little experience and as such I consider your opinion worth very little.

[Edited on 12.23.2011 6:53 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 6:45 AM PDT


Posted by: X El BaZzA X
MarkFanous and blacknight, the only people you play against are bad and/or retarded. As such, you can't make a judgement on pretty much any of the problems that Reach has because you're both so bad to play against anyone good enough to abuse them.

If you had played at high level Arena, you would understand how certain maps are unbalanced, or how the jetpack ruins maps and is abused. If you were good you would understand how armor lock slows the game down and is nothing more than a crutch that stops bad players from dying when they get outplayed.

However, you don't see these issues because at the level of skill which you play at, there are no strategies or areas to hold down. Everyone just runs around the map like an imbecile looking for the next person they run into so that they can try to AR melee them again.


Ah finally, the first intelligent counter-response yet.

First off, I'm not bad at this game by most means. I admit that I am not an amazing MLG player at this, but not bad, my stats show this (several perfections, high killing sprees on gametypes such as swat, etc). I am not always paired with retards, I don't play BTB (the home of the noobs) and many times in the playlists that I mainly play in, there is at least one or two players that are better than me at the game.
Personally, I play this game for the fun of it. I gave up on Arena a LOOOONG time ago since I found no fun in the competitiveness of it. And don't tell me I don't know Halo because I am not a tryhard on lolarena trying to get 1% onyx. Arena is not the only playlist, and it's barely competitive.

When it comes to jetpack, all you really need to do is adapt to the situation and beat the opponent. A famous certain someone once said that the it's not the strongest species that will survive, nor the smartest, but the one most responsive to change. Why don't you use jetpack yourself? Plus a jetpacker is an easy target when alone. The best teams will be able to analyze the situation and adjust accordingly.

When it comes to armor lock, I agree. It does slow down gameplay when in the hands of a desperate noob. A good player will be able to use it to his/her advantage, however the idiots of Halo will do it to desperately avoid death.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not one of those imbeciles that run around the map spraying and praying. I personally love playing invasion, it has fun gameplay, (semi) balanced loadouts, there's strategy, and a just a bit of rping here and there. I play invasion with friends sometimes and there actually are strategies that must be used. We commonly vote for who will act as spawn points and who will rush in. Then there's matter of vehicle deployment, power weapon control, and taking down of key targets. Unlike team slayer or BTB there is actually a need for strategy in invasion.

Oh and before you comment on the gravity hammer being my ToD. Sorry, but I had a HUGE grifball phase where I became literally addicted to playing it. That's over now though.

  • 12.23.2011 6:53 AM PDT
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  • 12.23.2011 6:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Blacknight159

It's idiotic to you because you can't find anyway to counter it. There's nothing you can do. ADAPT OR MOVE ON. \

Again, waiting for a response with actual ingame examples that you actually faced for evidence that these "issues" that you have with the game are true.



The "adapt" argument is worthy of a 10year old that thinks he can have the last word in a discussion.
Fact is, the "adapt" argument doesn't even start the conversation since you make yourself look childish and retarded.
People have adapted, better than you. That won't make the game any better than it is.

If you want a discussion or something for me to "counter", start by actually giving something to counter.

  • 12.23.2011 6:57 AM PDT


Posted by: Blacknight159
First off, I'm not bad at this game by most means. I admit that I am not an amazing MLG player at this, but not bad, my stats show this (several perfections, high killing sprees on gametypes such as swat, etc). I am not always paired with retards, I don't play BTB (the home of the noobs) and many times in the playlists that I mainly play in, there is at least one or two players that are better than me at the game.
Personally, I play this game for the fun of it. I gave up on Arena a LOOOONG time ago since I found no fun in the competitiveness of it. And don't tell me I don't know Halo because I am not a tryhard on lolarena trying to get 1% onyx. Arena is not the only playlist, and it's barely competitive.
Sorry, but you're not very good. Don't pull the 'I would be a tryhard if I wanted to' card. It's a videogame. It doesn't matter that you're bad at it.

When it comes to jetpack, all you really need to do is adapt to the situation and beat the opponent. A famous certain someone once said that the it's not the strongest species that will survive, nor the smartest, but the one most responsive to change. Why don't you use jetpack yourself? I do. I use jetpack on 90% of maps in Arena. Why do you think I do that? For -blam!-s and giggles? No, because it's broken as hell and it will help me win. Plus a jetpacker is an easy target when alone. The best teams will be able to analyze the situation and adjust accordingly. Evidence of lack of experience.

When it comes to armor lock, I agree. It does slow down gameplay when in the hands of a desperate noob. A good player will be able to use it to his/her advantage, however the idiots of Halo will do it to desperately avoid death. Which is why it's a piece of -blam!- that needs to be destroyed and never considered ever again ever.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not one of those imbeciles that run around the map spraying and praying. I personally love playing invasion, it has fun gameplay, (semi) balanced loadouts, there's strategy, and a just a bit of rping here and there. I play invasion with friends sometimes and there actually are strategies that must be used. We commonly vote for who will act as spawn points and who will rush in. Then there's matter of vehicle deployment, power weapon control, and taking down of key targets. Unlike team slayer or BTB there is actually a need for strategy in invasion.Invasion is a casual playlist. Whenever I'm in a party of 6, we don't have any strategy, because we don't need to. All competition in Invasion is bad.

Oh and before you comment on the gravity hammer being my ToD. Sorry, but I had a HUGE grifball phase where I became literally addicted to playing it. That's over now though.
Grifball and Invasion are your only two playlists with >100 games in. You don't have much experience to comment on Reach as a game.

  • 12.23.2011 6:58 AM PDT

@X El BaZzA X

1. That's fine with me. I don't have to be very good to enjoy this game. I probably will suck if I play on Arena if played a game. But then again, but for me, there are plenty of more fun and enjoyable gametypes out there.

2. whoopdidoo, how the hell was I supposed to know you use jetpack? I see no problems here, if you use jetpack just as much as the opposing side, then the game is balanced in theory, but then it boils down to DMR luck. If a feature will help you win, and you can use it, then it really isn't a flaw now is it?

3. I don't need to play on Arena to know that a good team will have the ability to adapt to a situation.

4. Pray that 343 doesn't include it.

5. I never said that Invasion was competitive, sure, it's probably more casual than Arena, but then again, does every playlist have to be competitive to be fun or have elements of strategy?

6. That's quite ridiculous. Just because I don't play on Arena or "competitive" playlists doesn't mean I don't know the game or have any experience. If you didn't know it already, Invasion has armor abilities, so I know how they can be inbalanced and such. I have no comment on hostball. Again, Arena is not the only playlist in the game, and calling me inexperienced for not playing a certain playlist, or judging a game based on one or two playlists is a bit absurd.

If you don't like something, either don't play it, play another game or playlist, or wait until Halo 4 comes out and in the meanwhile, join the petition against Armor lock and the other faults of this game in the 343 forums.

  • 12.23.2011 7:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Blacknight159
2. whoopdidoo, how the hell was I supposed to know you use jetpack? I see no problems here, if you use jetpack just as much as the opposing side, then the game is balanced in theory, but then it boils down to DMR luck. If a feature will help you win, and you can use it, then it really isn't a flaw now is it?



Everybody starts with an insta-kill-everybody-on-the-map ability and since everyone has it, it's balanced, it just boils down to who presses it first.
It help's me win and using your logic, this ability is flawless.

EDIT: Your inexperience is at high level play with obvious flaws in the game are made even more obvious.
Playing at brainded level won't make those flaws apparent.

[Edited on 12.23.2011 7:43 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 7:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: Blacknight159

It's idiotic to you because you can't find anyway to counter it. There's nothing you can do. ADAPT OR MOVE ON. \

Again, waiting for a response with actual ingame examples that you actually faced for evidence that these "issues" that you have with the game are true.



The "adapt" argument is worthy of a 10year old that thinks he can have the last word in a discussion.
Fact is, the "adapt" argument doesn't even start the conversation since you make yourself look childish and retarded.
People have adapted, better than you. That won't make the game any better than it is.

If you want a discussion or something for me to "counter", start by actually giving something to counter.


If you or others have "adapted" better then me, then why are you people still complaining about it? Why is it still an issue if you've "adapted" to it?

  • 12.23.2011 7:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Posted by: Blacknight159
If you or others have "adapted" better then me, then why are you people still complaining about it? Why is it still an issue if you've "adapted" to it?


People have adapted to an environment filled with garbage.
Said garbage doesn't magically disappear just because you have adapted living with it.

You're arguments are filled with holes.

  • 12.23.2011 7:48 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: Blacknight159
2. whoopdidoo, how the hell was I supposed to know you use jetpack? I see no problems here, if you use jetpack just as much as the opposing side, then the game is balanced in theory, but then it boils down to DMR luck. If a feature will help you win, and you can use it, then it really isn't a flaw now is it?



Everybody starts with an insta-kill-everybody-on-the-map ability and since everyone has it, it's balanced, it just boils down to who presses it first.
It help's me win and using your logic, this ability is flawless.

EDIT: Your inexperience is at high level play with obvious flaws in the game are made even more obvious.
Playing at brainded level won't make those flaws apparent.


That's quite a ridiculous example to give there, and one that would never appear in any game or playlist, casual, and CERTAINLY not competitive. So I don't really know how that proves anything, really.

  • 12.23.2011 7:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: Blacknight159
If you or others have "adapted" better then me, then why are you people still complaining about it? Why is it still an issue if you've "adapted" to it?


People have adapted to an environment filled with garbage.
Said garbage doesn't magically disappear just because you have adapted living with it.

You're arguments are filled with holes.


I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WOULD MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR.
I've been trying to say that if you adapt to new things, then these things become less of an issue. If one adapts to armor lock, then it becomes less of an issue because you accept it as a part of the game and/or you know how to deal with it. Is it that hard to understand?!

  • 12.23.2011 7:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


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Posted by: Blacknight159
That's quite a ridiculous example to give there, and one that would never appear in any game or playlist, casual, and CERTAINLY not competitive. So I don't really know how that proves anything, really.


Just pointing out the obviously flaws in your arguments.
I though it was obvious.



Posted by: Blacknight159
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WOULD MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR.
I've been trying to say that if you adapt to new things, then these things become less of an issue. If one adapts to armor lock, then it becomes less of an issue because you accept it as a part of the game and/or you know how to deal with it. Is it that hard to understand?!


We live in a world filled with trash and we have adapted to it.
Having adapted to it won't make the problem any less problematic.
The world is still filled with trash.

Seriously, your arguments are very weak.

[Edited on 12.23.2011 7:55 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 7:53 AM PDT

::Blank::

I love this game.

  • 12.23.2011 8:30 AM PDT

I have yet to try out Post-CEA Reach, but it does seem like its fixed most of the problems I've had with the game. Problems that still haven't been addressed:

-Put a lower RoF cap on the Pistol and DMR so they can feel more similar to the BR in Halo 3. However, keep how the Pistol is far more advantageous than the DMR at close range, and vice-versa.
-Needs a more addictive ranking system, the current one is boring
-More unlocks/weapon customization/emblem customization (yeah, yeah, its an idea from CoD but it helps to increase replay-ability)
-Regenerating health (not sure if in CEA or not)
-More classic maps :D (Guardian, Standoff, etc.)
-Release an invasion playlist with classic settings (melee, pistol, running speed, etc) but with custom classes (I'm pretty sure this isn't in CEA)
-Larger variety of Forge maps

  • 12.23.2011 9:15 AM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.


Posted by: MarkFanous
Reach doesnt suck, i dont know why everyone thinks it does. Why do people keep trying to act like its a bad halo game. Honestly tell me whats so bad about it, and dont list general flaws, list the flaws that you have personally dealt with in matchmaking.

reasons why i think its great:
-fun, i think its fun and thats why i play, definitely better than COD

-creativity, custom games are great and anything is possible, there are no limits and you can make anything, and if you suck at making things you can just download the map/gametype.

-the feeling of raping in a game, when i do well in a game i feel on top of the world, when i do well in a cod game i get like no satisfaction.

-bloom, in all honesty i have actually become a better halo player because of bloom, saw a youtube video demonstrating the 5sk and everything clicked in my head, and since them ive been pacing my shots and strafing a lot better. Everyone is gonna argue saying that bloom sucks or makes the game worse, it doesnt, it makes you more patient and a better player.

-armor lock, i have never had a problem with AL when someone used it against me i didnt really complain, i just went and hid nearby until he got out then id kill him, you guys get too mad over AL, you think its unfair while someone else may thinks its a strategy all you have to do is think of a counter strategy. And with the fact that everyone grenade spam into a room its actually good to have, ive died countless times because my teammates and enemies decided to grenade spam a room i was in, dont think of AL as being so negative, use it to your advantage.

let the flaming begin, for the record, im not being a troll and im stupid im being serious, if i seem stupid its probably because you know something that i dont


I think reach is the best, those who hate it don't have to play it.

  • 12.23.2011 9:18 AM PDT


Posted by: SouthPoIe
It's a bad game. Fact.


if you think its a bad game your going to be a bad gamer

  • 12.23.2011 9:21 AM PDT