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Subject: Bring the thunder, defending Reach and all its attributes.


Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: albinogoat
I have to admit, I stopped playing Reach from 11/11 to 12/15 for Skrim, and I missed it. The game is still fun. It has taken me a bit to get used to playing multi-player again. But, I think my Skyrim break actually made me appreciate Reach again.
I heard Skyrim was amazing but the biggest hurdle it will have to face as far as longevity is its lack of MP.

None of the Elder Scrolls have ever been multi-player. I've been playing them since 2004 and a lack of multi-player has never been an issue to me.

Its an amazing game. If you don't have it, you should get it. It had only been out for about 2 weeks and won GOTY on Spike TV so that should say something about how good it is.

Anyways, on topic: I like Reach. I still think its a good game. I'm getting CEA for Christmas, and I am really looking forward to the new maps. Also, there were nearly 100,000 people playing when I was online earlier today, so it doesn't seem like the population is as low as people make it out to be either.

  • 12.19.2011 4:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: albinogoat
Also, there were nearly 100,000 people playing when I was online earlier today, so it doesn't seem like the population is as low as people make it out to be either.


It has been steadily rising since the TU and the MLG playlist update.

Not to mention blackfriday deals, holiday gifts and people are on break from school.

It was low, very low.

  • 12.19.2011 4:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Apocalypse
OP, I've only stuck around so long because I'm awfully curious to what your actual intention was with this thread.
Start from the beginning, read all the way through. contained within the thread is the meaning you are so desirous of, if you read though and you see no point, it is because you never will and that is the point.

  • 12.19.2011 4:25 PM PDT
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The 343 forums suck. They're full of retarded kids and mods who got butthurt in the B.net forums for being told that they're bad.

OP is trying so hard to spout BS and make it look like it's "intellect", it's actually sad. At first I thought it was funny that he was so stupid, but then I realized that he generally believes that he is intelligent, and that his posts mean something logical.

  • 12.19.2011 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plunderfuq

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I enjoy it less than previous halos.
Perhaps it is nostalgia for a time that frankly no matter how good the game is, it will never be able to replicate the atmosphere that Halo CE, 2 and 3 had. I am of the opinion, that those times will never be replicated again, not even by Halo its self.

Really? You honestly believe this?

I've watched my favorite movie a thousand times... It never gets old. I played Halo 2 more than any game I've ever owned, Halo 3 came in a close second. Those games never got old. Sadly, when the new Halo game comes out, people migrate away from the old Halo game. If I could find games in Halo 2 and Halo 3 like I used to, I'd still be playing it.

This whole "nostalgia" argument is downright ignorant. It's such an ambiguous thing to say that it couldn't possibly hold any weight.

No, Reach isn't terrible because we're "nostalgic" about older Halo games. Nay, Reach is terrible because it's a conglomeration of terrible gaming ideas put into the Halo universe.

Bungie's response to all of this? The fans just don't know what "good" is! What dimwits!

  • 12.19.2011 4:39 PM PDT

I think it's a great game. I find it thoroughly entertaining, and to me, that is the point of playing a video game. To be entertained. Sure it has its downfalls like any other game. What game doesn't have some downsides? If you don't like the game, DON'T PLAY IT!. No one is holding a gun to your head to play it. I know this logic has been used to the point where it has become banal, but the message rings true: if you don't like this game, move on to another one. There are many other games for the xbox, pick another one.

  • 12.19.2011 4:40 PM PDT
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The 343 forums suck. They're full of retarded kids and mods who got butthurt in the B.net forums for being told that they're bad.


Posted by: KollegeStoodant
I think it's a great game. I find it thoroughly entertaining, and to me, that is the point of playing a video game. To be entertained. Sure it has its downfalls like any other game. What game doesn't have some downsides? If you don't like the game, DON'T PLAY IT!. No one is holding a gun to your head to play it. I know this logic has been used to the point where it has become banal, but the message rings true: if you don't like this game, move on to another one. There are many other games for the xbox, pick another one.


There is no other Halo game that works well now, dolt.

  • 12.19.2011 4:46 PM PDT
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We have a case of Matu Flp Krawfe itt.

  • 12.19.2011 4:50 PM PDT
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Never thought I see this thread reach (No pun intended) ten pages of flame and anger over opinions.

Some people like Reach, some don't. I remain in between.

  • 12.19.2011 4:54 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

So, since I've been off doing some work, surely with two whole pages added to this thread the OP would have actually got around to actually making some arguments to support the idea that Reach is a good game.

...

Huh. Look at that. More double-speak and nonsense to try and dance around the issue. The OP still has no argument other than "I like it". Sad, but hilarious at the same time.

  • 12.19.2011 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: B Rye
OP is trying so hard to spout BS and make it look like it's "intellect", it's actually sad. At first I thought it was funny that he was so stupid, but then I realized that he generally believes that he is intelligent, and that his posts mean something logical.
Find a post of mine where I claim to be smarter than any other average person, when you do, get back to me. Heads up, there isnt one,

  • 12.19.2011 5:10 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Plunderfuq
Find a post of mine where I claim to be smarter than any other average person, when you do, get back to me. Heads up, there isnt one,

So you would maintain that you're on a level footing with the "average person"? Because this is desperately optimistic.

  • 12.19.2011 5:11 PM PDT
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The 343 forums suck. They're full of retarded kids and mods who got butthurt in the B.net forums for being told that they're bad.


Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: B Rye
OP is trying so hard to spout BS and make it look like it's "intellect", it's actually sad. At first I thought it was funny that he was so stupid, but then I realized that he generally believes that he is intelligent, and that his posts mean something logical.
Find a post of mine where I claim to be smarter than any other average person, when you do, get back to me. Heads up, there isnt one,


Hey retard, learn to read. I never said that YOU CLAIMED YOU WERE SMART. I said that you were trying to make it look like you were.

  • 12.19.2011 5:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Gangster No1
Anyone who claims the AR takes skill ought to shoot himself in the head. Preferably with the AR because they'll most likely miss with any other weapon.

'Defending Reach and all it's attributes.'

So you won't even acknowledge that Reach has numerous features that are completely detrimental and are downright idiotic? Are you riding high with your arrogance that you won't observe Reach's obvious faults?

By that logic it's alright for me to hate every single feature about Reach for literally no reason whatsoever.

  • 12.19.2011 5:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sentox6
So, since I've been off doing some work, surely with two whole pages added to this thread the OP would have actually got around to actually making some arguments to support the idea that Reach is a good game.

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Huh. Look at that. More double-speak and nonsense to try and dance around the issue. The OP still has no argument other than "I like it". Sad, but hilarious at the same time.
It has held top 10 status on xbox live despite an unbelievable amount of AAA game releases right before Reaches release and lasting to current day. It will most likely remain there until Halo 4 and perhaps a little beyond.

This is proof that requires no more than eyes, ears, and an xbox with the occasional trip to your local game store. That and a little prediction, because if it does remain in the top 10 live games for the next year, it will enjoy a tenure on that prestigious list, that very few games can match.

  • 12.19.2011 5:17 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Plunderfuq
It has held top 10 status on xbox live despite an unbelievable amount of AAA game releases right before Reaches release and lasting to current day. It will most likely remain there until Halo 4 and perhaps a little beyond.

This is proof that requires no more than eyes, ears, and an xbox with the occasional trip to your local game store. That and a little prediction, because if it does remain in the top 10 live games for the next year, it will enjoy a tenure on that prestigious list, that very few games can match.

-blam!- me, here comes the popularity = quality argument.

I better stop Liquid Tension Experiment right now and queue up some Justin Bieber.

  • 12.19.2011 5:18 PM PDT

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lol at OP

"Reach has bad gameplay elements countering OTHER bad gameplay elements

3x scope on the DMR is too powerful, so they countered it with bloom. The DMR is super OP at any distance, but its also super random during DMR battles (because of bloom combined with even the smallest amounts of lag). The only way to survive is to camp. Go out into the open and you'll get pinged by DMR fire from any direction.
The Banshee is SUPER Overpowered, so they made it extremely vulnerable to DMRs, and made it flip as much as possible to avoid DMR fire. Now we have a glass cannon flying all over the place that can't be destroyed by a team without communication (most matchmaking games)
Sprint is countered by a slow base movement speed (you walk like a turtle). Sprint allows people to run away from their battles.
Jetpack is countered by low jump height (spoiler alert: you can't jump anywhere without sprint). Jetpack totally ruins map-flow and breaks the sandbox (there's no argument here)
Grenades and Rockets are Overpowered, and because we can't move and jump at our base movements, they are almost unavoidable.
There is no counter to armor lock. Simply waiting for them to come out is not an option if their teammates are fighting you.
Active Camo is super unbalanced. You knock out the enemy radar AND you're invisible? That doesn't even make sense.
Loadouts ruin everything that made Halo what it is. Halo used to be about spawning on the same foot and competing for the weapons/powerups on the map, now its simply given to you and everyone can start the game differently. If you beat a guy using an armor ability, he should not spawn again with the ability. Thats like killing a guy with rockets, and he just spawns with rockets again."

[Edited on 12.19.2011 5:22 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2011 5:21 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Oh, and I'm still waiting on some actual arguments as to why bloom, armour abilities, reduced movement traits, a sandbox full of weak and redundant weapons, and sub-30fps gameplay (to name a few) are good attributes.

P.S.: I'm not really waiting, because I know they'll never come.

  • 12.19.2011 5:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: zapzap09
'Defending Reach and all it's attributes.'

So you won't even acknowledge that Reach has numerous features that are completely detrimental and are downright idiotic? Are you riding high with your arrogance that you won't observe Reach's obvious faults?

By that logic it's alright for me to hate every single feature about Reach for literally no reason whatsoever.
It has its faults to be sure, but so does every game, ironicly some of those faults have been endearing to some fans (superjumps).

As far as idiocy, for me, thats the point of video games, if I wanted complete unfaultering logic, I would not be attempting to throw nades at you and shoot you in the face. Does that seem logical to you?

  • 12.19.2011 5:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: Plunderfuq
They should get better after Christmas as well, I cant wait to see the population jump from Black friday sales of xbox's, some that included a digital copy of Reach.


Reach had its time to shine last holiday season. Games like Modern Warfare 3 are going to sweep gaming sales this year and actually take players away from Reach.

  • 12.19.2011 5:25 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Plunderfuq
As far as idiocy, for me, thats the point of video games, if I wanted complete unfaultering logic, I would not be attempting to throw nades at you and shoot you in the face. Does that seem logical to you?

Congratulations. Level 9!

  • 12.19.2011 5:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Gangster No1
Anyone who claims the AR takes skill ought to shoot himself in the head. Preferably with the AR because they'll most likely miss with any other weapon.


Posted by: Plunderfuq

I say idiotic in the sense that they make gameplay an utter pain. I could care less about how realistic this game is, considering it's about aliens on a mythical ring world.

Don't think for a second that Reach is even close to perfect.

  • 12.19.2011 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: Plunderfuq
It has held top 10 status on xbox live despite an unbelievable amount of AAA game releases right before Reaches release and lasting to current day. It will most likely remain there until Halo 4 and perhaps a little beyond.

This is proof that requires no more than eyes, ears, and an xbox with the occasional trip to your local game store. That and a little prediction, because if it does remain in the top 10 live games for the next year, it will enjoy a tenure on that prestigious list, that very few games can match.

-blam!- me, here comes the popularity = quality argument.

I better stop Liquid Tension Experiment right now and queue up some Justin Bieber.
Theres the ask for proof and get it and then ignore it argument.

I got bad news for you, Justin Bieber is a good product for some people, just not me, perhaps that is your preference, but is not mine, which is exactly why I do not buy or listen to Justin Bieber(Im glad you knew how to spell his name, I had no idea and most likely have spelled it wrong).

If Reach has obtained Bieber status for you as far as a negative aspects, perhaps after a year you should take the Beiber cd out of the tray and maybe give Brittany Spears a try.

  • 12.19.2011 5:29 PM PDT