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Subject: Bring the thunder, defending Reach and all its attributes.

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Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
Funny, most of the people that call the changes in Reach "steps backward" would rather play Halo 3. Ironic.
Very few post contain this much truth.

  • 12.19.2011 2:35 PM PDT
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You can't defend reach. It already fell. (lol)

  • 12.19.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
Funny, most of the people that call the changes in Reach "steps backward" would rather play Halo 3. Ironic.
Very few post contain this much truth.


Not really, as Apocalypse so pointed out, they'd rather be playing H2 instead.

  • 12.19.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gh0st is Bad
Posted by: Plunderfuq

Moving on seems to be immpossible for alot of players, thusly, the point of the thread.
Get over it, retard.

Nothing you have ever suggested has ever made logical sense. Go back and play Living Dead and get shat on by 12 year olds.
As compared to your logic, I am Aristotle.

  • 12.19.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: Plunderfuq

As compared to your logic, I am Aristotle.
Incredibly ironic, seeing how Aristotle was also completely wrong about almost everything he's ever thought of.

Try again.

  • 12.19.2011 2:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
Funny, most of the people that call the changes in Reach "steps backward" would rather play Halo 3. Ironic.
Very few post contain this much truth.


Not really, as Apocalypse so pointed out, they'd rather be playing H2 instead.
Even though it would represent a step backwards, if I could be transported back to that time, I to would rather play Halo 2.

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Posted by: WulfwoodsSins

Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
Funny, most of the people that call the changes in Reach "steps backward" would rather play Halo 3. Ironic.
Very few post contain this much truth.


Not really, as Apocalypse so pointed out, they'd rather be playing H2 instead.


Anyone would say they'd rather play either 1 or 2 instead of 3 or R.

I guess your next smart ass remark will be that H1 is even further steps back. Am I right? Or am I left?

  • 12.19.2011 2:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plunderfuq

As compared to your logic, I am Aristotle.
Incredibly ironic, seeing how Aristotle was also completely wrong about almost everything he's ever thought of.

Try again.
Right, thats why his words have been remembered as long as they have, you are an amazing person, Halo authority and philosophy expert, bravo, you are truly a renaissance man.

  • 12.19.2011 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Blind Wolf
You can't defend reach. It already fell. (lol)
I can and do and if you read through this thread you will see the result, tragic, more tragic than any and all flaws in Reach.

  • 12.19.2011 2:44 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Apocalypse
Posted by: Plunderfuq
I can, but logic is judged to be so by you currently and forgive me for saying this, I believe you have made judgements about my logic before it has been written.


I honestly don't even know what this means, you've shown no "logic" in my eyes with your "arguments". You've simply said you think its a good game because you enjoy it, because you're casual and will play it regardless.

Which as I stated, is all fine and dandy. Whats not unicorns and rainbows (why am i using these weird phrases)? is that you're trying to claim that as your basis of your arguments. Arguments that you don't even know about.


I do, I have been watching two forums for a year, trust me, I am well aware of the list of things "competitive" players think is wrong with Reach. At this point, after a year the arguments are still the same basic ones, just different reasons. Example: AL was OP, now its unbalanced or breaks the flow of play or all of them.


As just previously stated, you don't know. The only things you see are the most common, by idiots who just scream an shout and do not help the case at all. You have yet to see an actual, in depth, thought out, logical argument against Reach.

If you want one, try to bring up actual logical points and views, as to why Reach is a good game (in general) in your eyes. Not just a "Its a good game cuz I like to play it, nuff said".

Then I should simplify my meaning: If after a year, you still play Reach, but have continued to have more bad to say about it then good, you are frankly losing credibility by the day.

Where to start with this one..........

You're already wrong, I played the beta and knew it would need to be drastically changed. It wasn't, I still played with friends and gave it a chance for a couple months after its release. I then ended up having enough and so did my friends, I stopped playing (and so did they, in fact most of them are still gone/done with Halo) from anywhere from 10-12 months after this period and only came back due to the mention of the TU.

I've been back for 3 months (until a few weeks ago) solely because of the TU, yet I only accumulated 3 days of game time. Two days of which are entirely playing ZB, NS customs.

So no, I do not play this game, nor do I plan on playing it again because it is bad and probably will remain bad. Its been made 100x better with the updates to MLG but that still needs a ton of work. Even then, there's no point in playing, there's no intensive of wanting to play, win, get better, theres no replay value.


Everything else you said that I did not quote was just a disguised "Adapt N00b" comment. Back to the drawing board, try again.


Logical rebutals expand farther than bloom and AA for the reason why they are valid, perhaps you should rejoin your debate class and relearn the finite rule of debating. Or perhaps retake your courses on philosophy as I believe you have missed the point of the debate and my logic.

You brought up Bloom and AA's, have yet to bring up logical arguments to why you see these as "good" changes or "beneficial" to gameplay. I have yet to see anything out of you other than "Its a good game because I enjoy playing it, nuff said".

You have brought nothing to the "debate" and have not shown any logical rebuttals or view points as to why Reach is a good game.

Nor have you given anything to set the floor for people to give you logical, thought out reasons why its a bad game.

This entire thread has been completely pointless, because once again your whole "argument" is "its good because I like to play it, end of story".

Yet you keep perusing it like you've actually got a good case, and you don't.

Again, back to the drawing board. Hopefully you present something logical, but I have my doubts.

  • 12.19.2011 2:44 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Plunderfuq
Posted by: A Blind Wolf
You can't defend reach. It already fell. (lol)
I can and do and if you read through this thread you will see the result, tragic, more tragic than any and all flaws in Reach.

I have to actually agree with you here. Your "defense" of Reach is absolutely tragic.

  • 12.19.2011 2:46 PM PDT

Planking : Parkour for people who don't move very fast.


Posted by: Apocalypse

Posted by: WulfwoodsSins

Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
Funny, most of the people that call the changes in Reach "steps backward" would rather play Halo 3. Ironic.
Very few post contain this much truth.


Not really, as Apocalypse so pointed out, they'd rather be playing H2 instead.


Anyone would say they'd rather play either 1 or 2 instead of 3 or R.

I guess your next smart ass remark will be that H1 is even further steps back. Am I right? Or am I left?


Nope, sideways.

I can think of a few people that prefer Reach over the past games.

And how is H1 not a step back? Sure, let's see Halo 4 with :
No ranking system AT ALL, just like H1.
Fewer weapons, just like H1.
Fewer gametypes, just like H1.
Fewer maps, just like H1.
System Link only multiplayer, just like H1.
No Forge, just like H1.
Fewer vehicles, just like H1.
For kicks, you can only choose the color of your spartan, just like H1.

Sure sounds like it would top the charts in this day and age.

  • 12.19.2011 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Apocalypse

Posted by: Plunderfuq
If you read the post, the only claim I make is that I have a mental ability that excedes mental retardation.



Mehhhhhhhh
Was that that a concession to the truth?

  • 12.19.2011 2:46 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: Plunderfuq

Right, thats why his words have been remembered as long as they have, you are an amazing person, Halo authority and philosophy expert, bravo, you are truly a renaissance man.
You are attempting to sound smart without actually being it.

You seem to forget that Aristotle thought the world was flat, that the Earth was the center of the universe, emotions called "humors" were what caused sickness, and that objects move because "it's their nature."

Try again, retard.

  • 12.19.2011 2:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plunderfuq

Posted by: SouthPoIe
I'm sorry, but this is Bnet. You may have free roam to live in your imaginary world over at waypoint, but around these parts, bad players don't get opinions.
That is very true, as true as "competitive" players cant refrain from insults in their points, so have no voice on Waypoint, who is making the bigger mistake?


You for being so butthurt. It's not like we're wrong. You're bad, so you don't have the required knowledge for your opinion to be taken seriously.
I believe my opinion is being taken far more serious where it counts.

  • 12.19.2011 2:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Apocalypse
I think I've said all that needs to be said on page 5.

Which, funny enough has been pretty much the only thing I've said the entire time ITT and yet, he has yet to actually answer it and make any points.
Ironicly, all that needed to be said was most likely said within the first few months of Reach's release and that has not stopped the endless onslaught from continuing for the last year.

  • 12.19.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gh0st is Bad

Posted by: Plunderfuq

Right, thats why his words have been remembered as long as they have, you are an amazing person, Halo authority and philosophy expert, bravo, you are truly a renaissance man.
You are attempting to sound smart without actually being it.

You seem to forget that Aristotle thought the world was flat, that the Earth was the center of the universe, emotions called "humors" were what caused sickness, and that objects move because "it's their nature."

Try again, retard.
I never claimed hightened intelligence, that is a charge leveled by those that wish to insult me, ironic. Stangely why does it seem like emotions have caused a sickness around these forums, perhaps he was wiser than you are giving him credit for. I am not trying Ghost, Im succeding.

  • 12.19.2011 2:55 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: Plunderfuq
I never claimed hightened intelligence, that is a charge leveled by those that wish to insult me, ironic. Stangely why does it seem like emotions have caused a sickness around these forums, perhaps he was wiser than you are giving him credit for. I am not trying Ghost, Im succeding.
Derp.

Gone full retard. Care more, dumbass.

  • 12.19.2011 2:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sentox6
Posted by: Plunderfuq
Posted by: A Blind Wolf
You can't defend reach. It already fell. (lol)
I can and do and if you read through this thread you will see the result, tragic, more tragic than any and all flaws in Reach.

I have to actually agree with you here. Your "defense" of Reach is absolutely tragic.
That is the source of the tragedy I speak of.

  • 12.19.2011 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gh0st is Bad

Posted by: Plunderfuq
I never claimed hightened intelligence, that is a charge leveled by those that wish to insult me, ironic. Stangely why does it seem like emotions have caused a sickness around these forums, perhaps he was wiser than you are giving him credit for. I am not trying Ghost, Im succeding.
Derp.

Gone full retard. Care more, dumbass.
When you read through your responses, do you think you are presenting a persuasive argument and are exsuding intelligence?

[Edited on 12.19.2011 3:02 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2011 3:01 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

Posted by: Plunderfuq
When you read through your responses, do you think you are presenting a persuasive argument and are exsuding intelligence?
Dumbass, I'm not arguing -blam!-. You're the one trying to make a persuasive argument defending Reach, which you have so far failed to do in the slightest. Saying "Reach is good because I like it," isn't an argument. It's a -blam!- cop out from actually answering because you know you have no idea what you're talking about.

By the way, if you want to try to sound smart, you might want to spell your words correctly, retard.

[Edited on 12.19.2011 3:06 PM PST]

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Posted by: WulfwoodsSins

And how is H1 not a step back? Sure.



Gameplay wise? H1 and 2 are definitely not steps back. But unsurprisingly, you have no knowledge of that subject.

People like yourself only care for shiny graphics, pretty lighting effects and kewl customization and not what actual matter about a game, its gameplay.

So keep asking for more nice lighting effects so you can look mindless around during a game. Is that what you kids are doing when you look so clueless? Just admiring the scenery? All makes sense now.

Can't forget to keep asking for more armor so you can play dress up all day, oh almost didn't mention keep begging to dumb the game down more an more, complaining how its too hard to get kills.

I can see it now....

Halo 6, pre-order it an get max rank and all 2,000 armor configurations, achievements and commendations unlocked for you!

Also, since using a controller and aiming is too hard, who ever looks at the other player first kills them. But the fact that Kinect is expanding, who ever has the more retarded look/expression on their face in real life will get the best luck in order to out kill their opponent, hell give them over shields as well.

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  • 12.19.2011 3:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gh0st is Bad
Posted by: Plunderfuq
When you read through your responses, do you think you are presenting a persuasive argument and are exsuding intelligence?
Dumbass, I'm not arguing -blam!-. You're the one trying to make a persuasive argument defending Reach, which you have so far failed to do in the slightest. Saying "Reach is good because I like it," isn't an argument. It's a -blam!- cop out from actually answering because you know you have no idea what you're talking about.

By the way, if you want to try to sound smart, you might want to spell your words correctly, retard.
I have no desire to "sound" smart. Your anger is starting to get the best of you and I believe it is starting to effect your judgement because within this post you have insinuated that I am aware of my ignorance which is impossible, because that is the main condition of ignorance. Think about it.

  • 12.19.2011 3:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Apocalypse

Posted by: WulfwoodsSins

And how is H1 not a step back? Sure.



Gameplay wise? H1 and 2 are definitely not steps back. But unsurprisingly, you have no knowledge of that subject.

People like yourself only care for shiny graphics, pretty lighting effects and kewl customization and not what actual matter about a game, its gameplay.

So keep asking for more nice lighting effects so you can look mindless around during a game. Is that what you kids are doing when you look so clueless? Just admiring the scenery? All makes sense now.

Can't forget to keep asking for more armor so you can play dress up all day, oh almost didn't mention keep begging to dumb the game down more an more, complaining how its too hard to get kills.

I can see it now....

Halo 6, pre-order it an get max rank and all 2,000 armor configurations, achievements and commendations unlocked for you!

Also, since using a controller and aiming is too hard, who ever looks at the other player first kills them. But the fact that Kinect is expanding, who ever has the more retarded look/expression on their face in real life will get the best luck in order to out kill their opponent, hell give them over shields as well.


Way to ignore the rest of the post, make assumptions, AND misconstrue everything I said. Bravo.

I should assume then, that if Halo 1 and 2 gamplay is what people really want, the playlists catered to that demographic should be packed! Hold on, I'm on right now, lemme check ...

Team Slayer : 7453.
Anniversary Classic : 1557.

Squad Slayer : 1199
Anni. Squad : 510

BTB : 5110
Anni BTB : 1354

Rumble Pit : 1631
Anni FFA : 432

YUP. People really enjoy that super-advanced Halo 1 style gameplay. Look at the way is just beats default Reach in numbers!

But let's hear your justification.

  • 12.19.2011 3:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: WulfwoodsSins


I should assume then, that if Halo 1 and 2 gamplay is what people really want, the playlists catered to that demographic should be packed! Hold on, I'm on right now, lemme check ...

Team Slayer : 7453.
Anniversary Classic : 1557.

Squad Slayer : 1199
Anni. Squad : 510

BTB : 5110
Anni BTB : 1354

Rumble Pit : 1631
Anni FFA : 432

YUP. People really enjoy that super-advanced Halo 1 style gameplay. Look at the way is just beats default Reach in numbers!

But let's hear your justification.

I wait with abaited breath for the answer to this one.

  • 12.19.2011 3:35 PM PDT