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Subject: Stupid Pistol - It's unrealistic, pistols don't dominate war
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In the next trailer I would love to see Master Chief holding dual SMG's walk up to an injured Marine. The Marine would then say "Here, take my gun" and it would be the M6D Pistol. MC proceeds to ditch the two useless weapons, loads the M6D.. and saves Earth.

  • 05.09.2006 2:52 PM PDT
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how about.


we have a gun, with a similar mechanic to the pistol...

kinda... omg kinda like the battle rifle from the E3 demo for halo 2...

that was single shot, rather than -blam!- ass burst fire?


i enjoyed having to control my rate of fire with all weapons... which was why i thought burst fire sucked...

whoaa...

[Edited on 5/9/2006]

  • 05.09.2006 2:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: ManHunter5012
Do you see U.S. troops running around with pistols in their hands? No. I know Halo isn't like real life, but it still involves guns that shoot bullets. U.S. troops use assault rifles, like M4s or M16s, but they don't run around with a single pistol in their hands. A dumbass would do that. Pistols are not powerful enough to penetrate armor or hurt people as much. Plus, pistols usually don't have scopes on them. They also don't have a high rate of fire too. If a pistol faces an M4 1 on 1, the M4 would mow the stupid pistol person down instantly, because each of it's more powerful shots that are being shot at a higher rate of fire and FPS (feet per second). BTW, if you don't even know what an M4 is, then search it up and learn, because it's the primary gun U.S. troops use in war.


Apparently you think you know a lot about weapons and war. What you obviously don't know is that no matter what the gun, a bullet to the head kills someone. For some reason you think that an assualt rifle would beat a pistol hands down. It is much easier to manuever and wield a pistol than it is an assualt rifle and a headshot from either is enough to bring a man down. In a close-quarters situation, a pistol is much better, quicker to move around, not as bulky, makes less noise, and easier to reload.

And apparently you do not know what a Magnum is. I suggest you watch the history channel's Modern Marvels on the Magnum. The overpacked cartridge from a Magnum can cause more damage to a target than the 5.56mm round the M4 uses. And by the way, it's the M4A1 that is used in Iraq.

My point, unless the two "duelers" start at a very far distant with no cover, the pistol has an equal shot if not better at winning. If it is close in fighting, the pistol will surely have a better shot (no pun intended). Just think about it. If pistol's were really that bad, why would Police carry a pistol? They would carry an automatic weapon or a modified assualt rifle instead.

Pistols have their role, and the instant kill headshot with no shields for the MC's magnum is appropriate.

  • 05.09.2006 3:24 PM PDT
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Oh and by the way, to the first poster, you just called every law enforcement officer in the world a dumbass. (Including FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, MI6, etc...) I do hope no one comes to your house and shows you what a pistol can really do.

  • 05.09.2006 3:26 PM PDT
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The pistol was the best weapon. If used correctly, the wielder would seriously own, and it was fun!

  • 05.09.2006 3:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: KING OF GILEAD
how sweet did the new rifle look?

Uh, that wasnt a 'new rifle' that was my good friend, the mA5b...

  • 05.09.2006 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: ManHunter5012
Do you see U.S. troops running around with pistols in their hands? No. I know Halo isn't like real life, but it still involves guns that shoot bullets. U.S. troops use assault rifles, like M4s or M16s, but they don't run around with a single pistol in their hands. A dumbass would do that. Pistols are not powerful enough to penetrate armor or hurt people as much. Plus, pistols usually don't have scopes on them. They also don't have a high rate of fire too. If a pistol faces an M4 1 on 1, the M4 would mow the stupid pistol person down instantly, because each of it's more powerful shots that are being shot at a higher rate of fire and FPS (feet per second). BTW, if you don't even know what an M4 is, then search it up and learn, because it's the primary gun U.S. troops use in war.


Neither do SPARTANIIs in the real world as they don't excist. Its sci-fi with fantasy elements meaning if Bungie wants it to happen in their game it happens whether its realistic or not.

  • 05.09.2006 3:33 PM PDT
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About the pistol: It's an alright weapon. Sure, it was overpowered. But it allowed a person to be an effective fighting machine from the get-go, when they didn't have the time to grab the rockets or the sniper.

About the 'realism' issues. The game takes place five-hundred years in the future, Bungie can make up any reason they want as to why a pistol is more effective than a machine gun. Warp-drive mechanics or some such.

  • 05.09.2006 3:34 PM PDT
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This game is in the FUTURE.

  • 05.09.2006 3:38 PM PDT
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There is only one person in the entire world that can get 100% accuracy in anything and that is me George W. Bush.

All I need is a pistol and I will get a headshot each time I shoot, I don't even have to aim or look at my target. I am that damn good.

All you novices who need rifles to win in games or in real life, all you need is a person like me. I am perfect. I am super. I am me.

There are few like me who can pwn everyone in video games with a Pistol or even in real life.

Pistols = Elite
Rifles = teh sux

Bring back the Halo CE Pistol now.

  • 05.09.2006 3:39 PM PDT
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seems like that went a bit too far, just saying, it's just a pistol and a videogame...(decent game at that).
Besides, this game is based in the future, only Bungie and the guy that invented the Delorian Time machine really know's what things are like in the future.

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Its not about the size of your gun but how you use it. The Chief could definately use the pistol more effectively than a rifle. He can move it around faster, hold two of them, and aim them quickly. Plus any pistol can be scope outfitted. Not hard to do. Or just laser sight it. Lastly, Many modern day pistols can peirce armor, Degale, FiveSeveN, others that aren't in counterstrike and so forth.

  • 05.09.2006 3:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bostic
In the next trailer I would love to see Master Chief holding dual SMG's walk up to an injured Marine. The Marine would then say "Here, take my gun" and it would be the M6D Pistol. MC proceeds to ditch the two useless weapons, loads the M6D.. and saves Earth.

DAMN STRAIGHT!

  • 05.09.2006 3:43 PM PDT
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It's 500 years in the future.

It's fine.

  • 05.09.2006 3:45 PM PDT
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you don't see marines running around with rpgs and swords either.

  • 05.09.2006 3:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: ManHunter5012
Do you see U.S. troops running around with pistols in their hands?


Only the ones currently fighting in Iraq, but what would they know. The most favored weapon for close work is the 45 calibre pistol, which is being reissued. The favored weapon for long gun work is the M-14, again being reissued.

For everthing else, there's Ma Deuce.


If a pistol faces an M4 1 on 1, the M4 would mow the stupid pistol person down instantly, because each of it's more powerful shots that are being shot at a higher rate of fire and FPS (feet per second).


At close range the 45 would pwn the M4. The much smaller but faster bullet coming from the M4 means that often the bullet punches a clean little neat hole through somebody and unless you hit the heart or the spine he stays up and keeps shooting. This is exactly what the rangers found was happening in Somalia, and is happening now in Iraq.

With a 45 one torso hit and the target goes down. Plus it's much easier to aim and shoot a pistol inside a building or vehicle. Similarily the larger 7.62 round in the M14 is preferred for rifle work for that very reason.

ROF is meaningless, since only the first round or two is on target, after that you are shooting up the ceiling. That is why full auto is for pimps, drug dealers, and conscripts.

  • 05.09.2006 3:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: DemonJo2
Its not about the size of your gun but how you use it. The Chief could definately use the pistol more effectively than a rifle. He can move it around faster, hold two of them, and aim them quickly. Plus any pistol can be scope outfitted. Not hard to do. Or just laser sight it. Lastly, Many modern day pistols can peirce armor, Degale, FiveSeveN, others that aren't in counterstrike and so forth.


Yeah i almost forgot about the FN Five-seveN USG, the cop-killer gun. The handgun chambers an armor piercing round that easily goes through a bullet proof vest. And FN makes the P-90!!! The real-world similarity to the SMG but 30x better.

Plus they came out with the PS90!!! The P-90 but semi-auto and legal for civilians to own!! http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/cb_ps90.htm

And they make this puppy: http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/cb_fs2000.htm Which i tend to believe looks very similar to out beloved BR.

Sorry, I got a little carried away, lol.

  • 05.09.2006 3:51 PM PDT
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Amen, humanity realizes that the Halo 2 weapon set lost them the Battle for Earth, so they switch back to Halo 1's :)

  • 05.09.2006 3:54 PM PDT
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Just change the skin and shut up, which they will probably do.

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Wow, threadstarter got owned in this thread. I love when that happens, especially to Halo 2 nobs like him. Oops I'm going to be banned now. How long has it been since I've called someone a noob here... 2 days? Well that's a new record for me. I'm happy.

  • 05.09.2006 3:56 PM PDT
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WHY DON'T THEY INCLUDE THE PISTOL, BATTLE RIFLE, ASSULT RIFLE, and SMG THEN EVERYONE WILL STOP B.ITCHING

in all caps because its sad how you all argue like 3 year olds.

  • 05.09.2006 3:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: ManHunter5012
Do you see U.S. troops running around with pistols in their hands? No. I know Halo isn't like real life, but it still involves guns that shoot bullets. U.S. troops use assault rifles, like M4s or M16s, but they don't run around with a single pistol in their hands. A dumbass would do that. Pistols are not powerful enough to penetrate armor or hurt people as much. Plus, pistols usually don't have scopes on them. They also don't have a high rate of fire too. If a pistol faces an M4 1 on 1, the M4 would mow the stupid pistol person down instantly, because each of it's more powerful shots that are being shot at a higher rate of fire and FPS (feet per second). BTW, if you don't even know what an M4 is, then search it up and learn, because it's the primary gun U.S. troops use in war.


do you see U.S troops running aroud with rechargable shields who duck and cover behind things to allow their sheilds to recharge?

  • 05.09.2006 4:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: JAVA2
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If you have never noticed, Rifles use low cal bullets, like Assult Rifle in Halo 1 says it uses 7.62mm bullets, the Pistol uses 12.7mm, that's because in real life, pistol are more powerful then rifles, only advantage rifle has over pistol, that it shoot automatic and shoot for a long time. You never see a .50 Assult Rifle, that is portable, but you do see .50 Sniper Rifles and .45 Pistols, only reason assult rifles are used more because you don't U.S. troops running around in Energy Suits. It makes sence that a Pistol would faster then a rifle in one shot. I mean damn 12.7mm?? That's problably strong enough to leave a hole about the size of your fist in your head.

  • 05.09.2006 4:14 PM PDT
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So, it was a great (if overpowered) weapon. It feels a lot less powerfull on the PC version, but is still good. I would hope for something like that.

  • 05.09.2006 4:17 PM PDT

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