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Subject: Master Chief Hate?


Posted by: BestSpartan117

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Pardon me, but I don't remember posting "My opinion is better than yours", if anything you're the one saying that your opinion is better with your whole "You're alone with your opinion" I am just stating what most people who dislike John already have said and will say, that he is an overrated character and it's all because of the fanboys, if he didn't have so much people putting him on a pedestal then he would be alright.


Actually you did

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Well, this "Vocal minority" is the one that actually gives coherent arguments as opposed to MAZTUR CHIEFZZ BEAT DA FLOODZ ND ZAVED DA UNIVERSES!1one!!!!

So, yeah, I'd rather be part of a minority instead of jumping in the Chief loving bandwagon.


However implying that a character is good just by wheter or not he is liked or not is a bad criteria to say the least


Again, when did he say your opinion was bad? He simply said the majority of master chief fans here can be like that.

  • 12.20.2011 1:04 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

I don't have to you have the burden of proof.

If you only have "opinion" to base your arguments then there is no objetive reason to believe that masterchief is "overrated".


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BestSpartan117

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, I'm with snake here. I've seen lots and lots of Chief fans who make BS claims or exaggerate his feats.


how many? enough to objectively say that all the fandom is based? did you actually made any research or it's simply your opinion?


And have you done any research to prove those who think master chief is overrated to be a minority?

I think not.

Edit: When did I ever, or snake ever, say he was overrated is fact across all existance?

Last I checked we simply put that we think he's overrated.


[Edited on 12.20.2011 1:06 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 1:05 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: BestSpartan117

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Pardon me, but I don't remember posting "My opinion is better than yours", if anything you're the one saying that your opinion is better with your whole "You're alone with your opinion" I am just stating what most people who dislike John already have said and will say, that he is an overrated character and it's all because of the fanboys, if he didn't have so much people putting him on a pedestal then he would be alright.


Actually you did

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Well, this "Vocal minority" is the one that actually gives coherent arguments as opposed to MAZTUR CHIEFZZ BEAT DA FLOODZ ND ZAVED DA UNIVERSES!1one!!!!

So, yeah, I'd rather be part of a minority instead of jumping in the Chief loving bandwagon.


However implying that a character is good just by wheter or not he is liked or not is a bad criteria to say the least


Please, I beg you, go ask the people who dislike John why they do and you will see that I posted the truth.

and, already said so, I would be okay with John if he wasn't being praised as a god by everybody.

  • 12.20.2011 1:06 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

I see while I understand your position of considering that some fans to exaggerate the chief and those fans are very vocal. Due to the fact that they use him as a proxy for their fantasies.

Overrated would perhaps be not the correct word to describe this character. Keep in mind that forum user are not repreentative of the all the fandom. But I do understand your annoyance.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: BestSpartan117

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Pardon me, but I don't remember posting "My opinion is better than yours", if anything you're the one saying that your opinion is better with your whole "You're alone with your opinion" I am just stating what most people who dislike John already have said and will say, that he is an overrated character and it's all because of the fanboys, if he didn't have so much people putting him on a pedestal then he would be alright.


Actually you did

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Well, this "Vocal minority" is the one that actually gives coherent arguments as opposed to MAZTUR CHIEFZZ BEAT DA FLOODZ ND ZAVED DA UNIVERSES!1one!!!!

So, yeah, I'd rather be part of a minority instead of jumping in the Chief loving bandwagon.


However implying that a character is good just by wheter or not he is liked or not is a bad criteria to say the least


Please, I beg you, go ask the people who dislike John why they do and you will see that I posted the truth.

and, already said so, I would be okay with John if he wasn't being praised as a god by everybody.


[Edited on 12.20.2011 1:10 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 1:09 AM PDT


Posted by: BestSpartan117
I don't have to you have the burden of proof.

If you only have "opinion" to base your arguments then there is no objetive reason to believe that masterchief is "overrated".



Actually, burden of proof is on you to prove we stated that master chief is overrated beyond our opinion.

If you only have "opinion" to base your arguments on, there is no objective reason to believe those who don't love Master Chief is a minority.

  • 12.20.2011 1:10 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

The one who makes the claim has to prove it.You claimed chief is overrated then you have to prove it.

wikipedia's article in case you need help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BestSpartan117
I don't have to you have the burden of proof.

If you only have "opinion" to base your arguments then there is no objetive reason to believe that masterchief is "overrated".



Actually, burden of proof is on you to prove we stated that master chief is overrated beyond our opinion.

If you only have "opinion" to base your arguments on, there is no objective reason to believe those who don't love Master Chief is a minority.

  • 12.20.2011 1:12 AM PDT


Posted by: BestSpartan117
I see while I understand your position of considering that some fans to exaggerate the chief and those fans are very vocal. Due to the fact that they use him as a proxy for their fantasies.

Overrated would perhaps be not the correct word to describe this character. Keep in mind that forum user are not repreentative of the all the fandom. But I do understand your annoyance.


You just admitted that Master Chief is overrated by some super vocal fans. Who guess what? Are the bulk of what people see.

If they exaggerate him, use him for their fantasies of being able to conquer every challenge, how is he not overrated by those groups?

edit: You made the claim we said it was fact across all things. My memory says it's our personal opinion and viewpoint he is overrated.

[Edited on 12.20.2011 1:16 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 1:13 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

Doesn't matter if "I admitt" no evidence = no facts. I say there is an unicorn on the moon prove me wrong.

If you claim that some groups overrate him that is a more reasonable position to hold and I ofcourse agree.

As opposed to claim that the character as a whole is an overrated character.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BestSpartan117
I see while I understand your position of considering that some fans to exaggerate the chief and those fans are very vocal. Due to the fact that they use him as a proxy for their fantasies.

Overrated would perhaps be not the correct word to describe this character. Keep in mind that forum user are not repreentative of the all the fandom. But I do understand your annoyance.


You just admitted that Master Chief is overrated by some super vocal fans. Who guess what? Are the bulk of what people see.

If they exaggerate him, use him for their fantasies of being able to conquer every challenge, how is he not overrated by those groups?




Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

edit: You made the claim we said it was fact across all things. My memory says it's our personal opinion and viewpoint he is overrated.


In my opinion the the moon is made of cheese (Am I right?)

[Edited on 12.20.2011 1:21 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 1:17 AM PDT

You bring back facts saying that overall master chief fans don't overrate or exaggerate him, then you can disprove me and snake's claims.

Until then, you have nothing.

  • 12.20.2011 1:24 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I sure wish you are right, I want to be able to eat the moon yo.

  • 12.20.2011 1:25 AM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

I only said that the majority's opinion was unknown. I don't claim to know it as opposed to you.

Anyways bed time for me it was fun while it lasted good night both of you.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
You bring back facts saying that overall master chief fans don't overrate or exaggerate him, then you can disprove me and snake's claims.

Until then, you have nothing.


[Edited on 12.20.2011 1:28 AM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 1:26 AM PDT

Again, when did I ever state that all them as like that?

IIRC, I was referring to... the halo forums. Here and waypoint.

  • 12.20.2011 1:27 AM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
So, yeah, I'd rather be part of a minority instead of jumping in the Chief loving bandwagon.


It seems like the real bandwagon is the Chief Hating one.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Actually, I'm with snake here. I've seen lots and lots of Chief fans who make BS claims or exaggerate his feats.


Without exaggerating at all, I feel like I can say his accomplishments are pretty freaking spectacular.

I agree that Master Chief isn't the god that some people make him out to be but clearly he's a special Spartan. It's kind of absurd, IMO, to call him average and unremarkable. He belongs on a short list of The Best Spartans. But I also agree that some of the Spartans on this hypothetical list could have accomplished the feats Chief did as well. It just bothers me that the backlash of Chief Fanboys is Chief Hate. Kill the fanboys with knowledge instead of descending to their level.

  • 12.20.2011 2:25 PM PDT

I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

  • 12.20.2011 2:43 PM PDT

-Steel unload, final blow
We the animals take control
Hear us now, clear and true
Wretches and kings we come for you

How can you hate Master Chief?! He's the one who put the Xbox 'on the map'. Plus, he's frikin' amazing!

P.S. Master Chief, don't die in Halo 6.

  • 12.20.2011 2:57 PM PDT

-Steel unload, final blow
We the animals take control
Hear us now, clear and true
Wretches and kings we come for you

Uh, do you mean Master Chief?

  • 12.20.2011 2:58 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
I think the Spartans more or less looked to him as their leader, but this was most recognizably in childhood than in their later years, as by the time Reach rolls around we've got Blue Team, Red Team, Green Team, etc. Not to mention Noble Team and the Spartan IIIs, from which we get Lieutenant Commander Kurt Ambrose, who has a friggen planetoid named after him, and Commander Carter-259, who outranks Master Chief by at least like six ranks. Who knows what Carter could've done to climb to such a rank in such a short amount of time?


Actually we know why Noble has such high ranks (Commander might not be what Carter started at, but the members of Noble team always have had higher ranks than most other Spartans), it's to give them more independence in the field so they can't be "hijacked" from their missions by just anyone, unlike the Spartan IIs, who did have a slight problem with this sometimes, like in First Strike, that one ONI guy who had been on the Pillar of Autumn. IIRC (I don't know very much at all about military ranking systems) even Johnson held a higher rank than Chief for most of the Trilogy.

The Spartans look to John as the leader because he is the leader. He's been such since the early days of the program, I'm sure you remember that little field trip into the wilderness the Spartans went on and the results of that :P After that Halsey and Mendez appointed him as the leader of the Spartans. And the Spartans have always had different teams, even in training, and I believe there wasn't really a set number of teams, as they seemed to vary. Like for instance during the Fall of Reach there's only Blue and Red Team, despite all the current Spartans being present at the time. Blue Team seems to have been the only team with any real degree of permanence.


But still... Master Chief aka John-117 has never had a PLANET named after him, not to mention a DYSON-FRIGGEN-SPHERE. =P


Who's really going to really hear about the Dyson Sphere though? That's only going to become yet another of ONI's closely viciously guarded secrets. I doubt anyone outside of those involved with the Spartan II/III Program(s) even know Kurt exists :/

And while Chief might not have a planetoid named after him, he does have countless other memorials and acknowledgements left to him. Like a prominent place in the Museum of Humanity (I believe that's the name at least) and at least one monument. Not trying to minimize Kurt or anything here (he's one of the best Spartan character in the series), but I think Chief has probably left a bigger mark and impact on human space.

  • 12.20.2011 5:28 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

I love the Chief. <3

  • 12.20.2011 5:35 PM PDT
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MC Confusing back in this b--ch with a parking sandwich and a chicken ticket....

I like the chief as a character. Not my favorite Halo character, not my least favorite.
The fans piss me off, however. Most (not saying all) MC fans often come off as immature and intolerant of other's opinions.

  • 12.20.2011 8:11 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
I think the Spartans more or less looked to him as their leader, but this was most recognizably in childhood than in their later years, as by the time Reach rolls around we've got Blue Team, Red Team, Green Team, etc. Not to mention Noble Team and the Spartan IIIs, from which we get Lieutenant Commander Kurt Ambrose, who has a friggen planetoid named after him, and Commander Carter-259, who outranks Master Chief by at least like six ranks. Who knows what Carter could've done to climb to such a rank in such a short amount of time?


Actually we know why Noble has such high ranks (Commander might not be what Carter started at, but the members of Noble team always have had higher ranks than most other Spartans), it's to give them more independence in the field so they can't be "hijacked" from their missions by just anyone, unlike the Spartan IIs, who did have a slight problem with this sometimes, like in First Strike, that one ONI guy who had been on the Pillar of Autumn. IIRC (I don't know very much at all about military ranking systems) even Johnson held a higher rank than Chief for most of the Trilogy.

The Spartans look to John as the leader because he is the leader. He's been such since the early days of the program, I'm sure you remember that little field trip into the wilderness the Spartans went on and the results of that :P After that Halsey and Mendez appointed him as the leader of the Spartans. And the Spartans have always had different teams, even in training, and I believe there wasn't really a set number of teams, as they seemed to vary. Like for instance during the Fall of Reach there's only Blue and Red Team, despite all the current Spartans being present at the time. Blue Team seems to have been the only team with any real degree of permanence.


But still... Master Chief aka John-117 has never had a PLANET named after him, not to mention a DYSON-FRIGGEN-SPHERE. =P


Who's really going to really hear about the Dyson Sphere though? That's only going to become yet another of ONI's closely viciously guarded secrets. I doubt anyone outside of those involved with the Spartan II/III Program(s) even know Kurt exists :/

And while Chief might not have a planetoid named after him, he does have countless other memorials and acknowledgements left to him. Like a prominent place in the Museum of Humanity (I believe that's the name at least) and at least one monument. Not trying to minimize Kurt or anything here (he's one of the best Spartan character in the series), but I think Chief has probably left a bigger mark and impact on human space.


I'm pretty sure the John-117 Memorial was to commemorate all the SPARTANS on their sacrifices and was most likely apart of a much larger memorial as well, and I think people would more commonly look at the SPARTANS as a whole than just John by himself, for their accomplishments.

I honestly have a feeling that a majority of the events taking place in the Halo series were exaggerated by ONI as a form of propaganda to boost morale, and the events that actually transpired on Halo were actually more realistic and isolated, as opposed to the feel of a 'Galaxy-Wide War' feel we get from the games. Who's to say anyone outside of Master Chief's 'inner circle' really knows what went down? Most of that could be filler/shocker material to boost morale and action. Who's to say Master Chief seriously took on all of the Flood in High Charity by himself, when in all actuality, he would've probably dropped in with assistance from a highly trained ODST strike team, or the Arbiter, as seen in Co-Op (I actually view the Co-Op version of the campaign as having a more realistic point of view of what actually transpired), I mean, you hear all the bull-malarky about Chuck Norris... but... he didn't really do half the crap people go on about him doing. I'm sure the stories and 'tall-tales' of Master Chief, are for the most part, false.

[Edited on 12.20.2011 8:18 PM PST]

  • 12.20.2011 8:12 PM PDT

Spartans never die there just getting a mission brief from God


Posted by: mojeda101
Kelly is faster
Kurt led better
Fred fought hand to hand better
Linda sniped better

That's all they have on John. John was above average in everything, he had no speciality really. But those four above were outstanding in their categories.


Also John had... Luck! :O

  • 12.22.2011 12:11 PM PDT

While I understand that some people don't like the Chief, most of the arguments are just plain ridiculous. Some people just want attention, or, in the worst case scenario, plain stupid.

[Edited on 12.22.2011 4:22 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 3:44 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

They be jelly.

  • 12.22.2011 3:51 PM PDT

Master Chief could kill all of noble team

  • 12.22.2011 3:52 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: deadimike
Master Chief could kill all of noble team

Nope.

  • 12.22.2011 3:56 PM PDT