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Subject: No Dual Wielding in Halo 3
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It's ridiculously easy to take down a duel-wielder if you have the boxer controller setting. It's called melee attack people.

  • 05.09.2006 4:41 PM PDT
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Dual wielding is fun, if nothing else. And if you presume to think dual wielded is eliminated soley because of this trailer...then you're a moron.

  • 05.09.2006 4:42 PM PDT
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And grenades. Those own dual wielders in the face.

  • 05.09.2006 4:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nightmare89
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Now if people didn't know this already, dual wielding was just an excuse to dumb down the weapons we grown to love from Halo1....


Sound likes someone should either stay off Live or learn how to use the combos themself.....


LOLZ

I was waiting for some idiot to defend dual-weilding.

If your implying that dual-weilding, which is basically grabbing two guns and squeezing both triggers while the large gun reticule is over your oppenent takes skill, than you are sadly mistaken buddy.


Calm down a little, K? Anyways, dual wielding wasn't realy unbalanced. Single wielding gave you grenades. If you didn't have any, of course it would be hard to take down someone who was dual wielding at close range.

  • 05.09.2006 4:44 PM PDT
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good point...

i think game balance kind of ruined the concept.

dual weilding was supposed to do more dmg, not less dmg.

grenades got screwed over too, the entire aim change is sensless.

you have to aim away from the target with your gun, in order to throw a grenade far enough to hit them...

just idiotic.

dual weilding would screw shotguns if they did too much dmg, so they had to be nerfed,

battlerifle + nades would be too good if nades werent nerfed....

  • 05.09.2006 4:45 PM PDT
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At least the grenades are stronger than they were pre patch. That was retarded. It was like throwing cherry bombs.

  • 05.09.2006 4:47 PM PDT
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Taking out dual wielding would be taking a step backward, learn to use the weapons and it won't be unbalanced.

  • 05.09.2006 4:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: OppitenNeu
Dual wielding is fun, if nothing else. And if you presume to think dual wielded is eliminated soley because of this trailer...then you're a moron.



WARTHOG NOT IN HALO 3? omg it's not in the trailer =)


i think he said it because he presumes the assault rife has replaced the smg's and thus there will be less dual weild combos, thus possibly instigating the thought that the pistol has returned, thus instigating the thought that the slowing mechanism has returned to plasma weapons, thus making dual weild cheap, and ending it entirely....

  • 05.09.2006 4:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nightmare89
Posted by: Azcal
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Now if people didn't know this already, dual wielding was just an excuse to dumb down the weapons we grown to love from Halo1....


Sound likes someone should either stay off Live or learn how to use the combos themself.....


LOLZ

I was waiting for some idiot to defend dual-weilding.

If your implying that dual-weilding, which is basically grabbing two guns and squeezing both triggers while the large gun reticule is over your oppenent takes skill, than you are sadly mistaken buddy.


and if you're implying that his foresight to grab those two weapons and just squeeze both triggers while holding a large reticule over you in a small room makes him a skill-less player, you're sadly mistaken. sorry about your luck, maybe you should have picked up the right weapon/s for the situation.

[Edited on 5/9/2006]

  • 05.09.2006 4:52 PM PDT

It'd be impossible to get rid of dual-weilding in the campaign cause many Covenants and humans have dual weildiable weapons and then where would they disappear off to if dualweilding was gone? Wait lets give more power to the SMG! Thats called the assault RIFLE! Lets give more power to the pistol! Wait thats the BR! See where i'm going with this !!

  • 05.09.2006 4:58 PM PDT
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haha Nightmare thinds hes so smart and cool.
he needs to settle down a little and realizes: first it just a game, and second if your so mad about dual weilding being over powered or to easy then why dont you use them. OR get a BR and take him down you can do it almost ecery time.
Maybe your just too attached to the old game and haven't realized that it is a dfferent game
(who would want to play the same game over agian just with better graphics)

[Edited on 5/9/2006]

  • 05.09.2006 5:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nightmare89

Dual Wielding also caused a lot of issues over xbox live. By making the game very un-balanced as it was almost impossible to take down someone with a dual wield with your single wield weapon.


Who said the weapons in multiplayer were supposed to be balanced?
No weapons in halo are balanced unless you are facing an opponent with the exact same weapon/s as you - even then, connection speeds, host advantage, bridging etc etc there's no balance.

Bungie always designed multiplayer with weapons superiority at its core and dual wielding gives you a short/medium range advantage just as shotgun/sword gives short range advantage and sniper, long range advantage. Whats balanced about a single SMG vs. rockets or snipe vs brute plasma at ong distance.

Doh

  • 05.09.2006 5:04 PM PDT
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Ok to start of duel wielding is not cheap. It is a tactic used by differnt people in differnt ways.There are many differnt ways around duel wielding like the sword and shotgun in close range the BR in middle range and the sniper in long.If you are going to say that duel wielding is cheap then you should say the sword is or the rockets, but none of them are cheap they all are a tactic used by players that are good at that weapon set.I can bet that almost all of you used them and one point or another.If you take out duel wielding then you take out the second best way to take out the sword in close range(sidestep and shoot).The duel wielding is used for many differnt reasons.Also there is no sign saying there is no duel wielding in H3.If I some how missed where it says no duel wielding please point it out and i will gladly take a look.The assault rifle, hand gun, fuel rod, and any other weapon i missed from the first one(pc included) would be a great add on to H3, but taking out duel wielding would ruining not only some tactics but also take some logic out of the game, like he can flip a tank but can't hold two small guns at once. To sum up what i am saying the duel wielding is not cheap, it is not to make it easyer to win, it is to make the game funner and put more tactics in it. If you disagree thats fine, this is just the way i fill on this topic.

  • 05.09.2006 5:11 PM PDT
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Taking out a duel wielder is easier than taking out a stand-alone weapon person. (eh bad grammar so sue me) It's called a gernade buddy, then beat down. Often, the duel-wielder is so focused on using both weapons, they forget about the beat down and the gernades. Duel wielding can also be used to counter the shot gun and sword if no plasmas are available. Often, the sword or shotty guy is stupid enough to charge right at you, making him an easy target for duel weapons fire. They also tend to forget they too have a backup weapon, probably an smg and gernades.

Duel wielding offers alternatives, and alternatives are good. I, personally, duel wield only when i find Plasma Rifle/SMG combo, Magnum/SMG, or Magnum/Plasma Rifle. (You should try the last one, the PR takes out shields so quick and then if you can nail the head shot with the magnum...woah its fun, it takes a lil practice though) Some people duel wield like its a religion, grabbing the nearest whatever they can find be a needler or another SMG.

Besides, we know nothing at all about this game. This is a TEASER, not a trailer. A TEASER. We don't know if anything shown in the TEASER will even be in the final version. However, i am positive that duel wielding will remain in the game.

  • 05.09.2006 5:11 PM PDT
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taking out dual wielding would not be a wise choice for bungie.

  • 05.09.2006 5:13 PM PDT
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same here. What would also be could would be fighting with your hands with no plasme pistol,just you and the master chiefs hands
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  • 05.09.2006 5:14 PM PDT
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I sure hope its still in. dual wielding is fun and offers a tactical advatage. it also is a disadvantage at times......

  • 05.09.2006 5:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nightmare89
After seeing that awesome trailer and watching the Master Cheif wield his Assault Rifle (at least it looked like that).

I could only think, did they finally eliminate Dual Wielding???

Now if people didn't know this already, dual wielding was just an excuse to dumb down the weapons we grown to love from Halo1 so they could be Dual-Wieldable.

Dual Wielding also caused a lot of issues over xbox live. By making the game very un-balanced as it was almost impossible to take down someone with a dual wield with your single wield weapon.

Hopefully Bungie will realize their mistake of adding dual wielding and make every weapon single wield again. This way every weapon has its own unique use and no weapon becomes useless if its not dual wielded like in Halo 2. Therefore also creating a more fun / balanced out multiplayer game environment.

Balance<Fun.

I hope they kept Dual Wielding, it was a great idea, if they removed it, it would be rather stupid of them.

  • 05.09.2006 5:48 PM PDT

Sigs are stupid.

You are so full of it. dual wielding has its own faults, no grenades or melee for instance.

  • 05.09.2006 5:50 PM PDT
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Nightmare shut the heck up right now. Dual wielding was awsome and i got a legit 38 on xboxlive, which means i had no problem killing other guys with one weapon against 2. I dont want all the weapons balanced in this game. You just need to get better at halo 2 with dual wielding because what you are saying says you obviously suck more balls than a grandma on drugs...

  • 05.09.2006 6:01 PM PDT
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i like dual wielding

  • 05.09.2006 6:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bee Boy
You are so full of it. dual wielding has its own faults, no grenades or melee for instance.

You can still melee while dual wielding.

  • 05.09.2006 6:05 PM PDT
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Not if you have the boxer settings on...

  • 05.09.2006 6:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: SniperLegend12
Not if you have the boxer settings on...

Thats why I don't use boxer.

  • 05.09.2006 6:06 PM PDT
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just because they have more weopons than you doesnt mean you stand no chance. The power on two smgs is x1.5 of one smg. duel wielding does not rule the game in any way. Its a really nice feature and i would be surprised if it was gone in h3

  • 05.09.2006 6:07 PM PDT

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