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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: Juan Teran
Hmmm, sorta of surprised by your response, especially by that obvious mispelling of my name. I mean, that other dude who constantly leaves an argument unfinished when he realizes that he is wrong and can't find the courage to admit it is one thing, and sure, I never really liked you to begin with, especially how close minded you were saying "there's a way to repair the plot holes, THERE'S A WAY!". But surprise, surprise, 343i actually found a way to repair the canon, congratulations guys, guess I was the close minded after all, but guess what? Now the "noble" sacrifice of those Spartans is part of the canon, the whole stupidity of the campaign in Halo: Reach can now be explained. The invasion starting in July 24, Reach being destroyed by a single Supercarrier and Corvettes that don't carry any shields. I guess I really hated the Campaign to the point where it doesn't matters if it can be explained or not, nothing makes sense. Doesn't helps that the characters are one dimensional, you don't get to see their Spartan awesomeness at all (scripted events Bungie, it could work, you know?), between many other obvious flaws. Hell, perhaps the most offensive flaw in the game is that Vidoc where Halsey describes each Spartan, I mean, why are we constantly told that Carter is a great leader, why can't we see it by ourselves in the Campaign? The same applies to every other member in the team, if it wasn't for Halsey, I wouldn't know what's their purpose in the team.
Where was I? Oh yeah, too bad since you actually gained some respect for taking the time to actually describe all the flaws in The Fall of Reach, describing how "lame" the ground defenses were, and how much of a joke the battle for Reach was.
But you guys are still missing the point. What it means for Reach to fall in a single day AGAINST THE BIGGEST COVENANT FLEET EVER. It represents the fate of humanity, we lost our second most important planet, the heart of the UNSC, in a single day, now all we have left is Earth. By making the battle longer, that feeling is lost. No desperation for survival, no shocking factor that not even Reach was able to survive this war, so many emotions found. But no, the fact that it was destroyed in a single day is the thing that you guys hate. Funny that you don't have a problem with Reach being destroyed BY A SINGLE SUPERCARRIER. Who wrote this game?
Interesting article about Bungie not even trying.
In that article, a guy asks Marcus Lehto why is Cortana in Reach when she should be aboard The Pillar of Autumn. Lehto actually happens to know that she should be in orbit with The Pillar of Autumn, but they prefer this story. In other words, they don't care. It's actually sad, because Cortana being in Reach is explained in Halsey's journal, and he doesn't even remembers that, or just happens to ignore it, but again, they don't care about the universe, let's make a game about shooting and jetpacks!
And last but not least, in case you people didn't understood my overly sarcastic post, yes, Master Chief is the center of the Halo universe. Halo 3: ODST and Reach have failed miserably because of the unimportant campaigns that have little to no importance in the war. I could tolerate this if it was a character oriented story, but that's not the case, as you barely get to see your squad, and all of them are so -blam!- boring and annoying. Doesn't helps that their A.I. is broken.
Wow, the second person on B.net in my entire time here who actually understands.
Outside of this fiction in the Halo Universe there are significant people [i.e Bungie] who totally abandon the premiss of a good story, taking precendence towards whatever they want regardless of impact towards established canon.
The fact that they began to show complete disregard to their fans by shipping Reach in the state that it was [campaign story and character, Multiplayer changes] etc. Shows that from the top you have a primary source who doesn't give a donkey's nuts.
The only person who cared at this point was and is Eric Nylund, the guy who had to fix it all[i.e Halsey Journel]. But maybe he didn't care and just did it because he got paid, however he changed his own story to Bungie's interpretation in the best way it could be and I totally give him kudos for that.
It doesn't matter in the end. As in reality the canon ended there, in terms of consistancy and a sort of grounded atmosphere to the Universe. It took a new direction with Greg bear and focused on another aspect. Sure they did it well, but the intrusion of third parties signing on [i.e Karen traviss etc] and the passing on to 343i have now changed the atmosphere forever.
The canon of 2001-2007 was where Halo literature actually was worth reading. Thanks in large part to Eric Nylund and Joseph Staten. IMO the last 'Halo' book actually being 'Ghost of Onyx'. Again, Halo Cryptum being a brillent book in it's own right.
Although Greg Bear works are great on its own and delves deeper into the Halo Universe, it isn't why us fans played H1, H2 and H3 and read the novels. Halo of 2001-2007 had always had crucial themes of:
UNSC-Spartans, Humanitys survival, civilian life.
Covenant-Religious Rituals, Different races, Genocidal pursuits,Class based system [inner conflicts] etc
Flood-Horrific Nature, Unknown Intellegence
Forerunners-Mystery, absense, God-like nature.
I'm sure there's more but it's no longer that. In part because that arcs' arguebly concluded. It's a new direction on the Forerunner and others. One not headed by the original main sources.
As seen with Halo:CEA the direction and atmosphere portrayed are entirely different and one that I simply do not enjoy. It's simply not the Halo I've come to admire between 2001-2007 and it all started simply because:
Bungie stopped caring.
But hey ho we'll be seeing a lot of 343i, Marvel, Tor and other other authors who want a peice of the pie before it's all gone. I sure am looking forward to more Halo Legends, Halo Bloodlines, Halo: Helljumper, Cole Protocols, Glassland etc.
It really is sad too. Bungie was such a great studio, but not caring about the story that put Bungie where it is today is quite.... Hurtful to the fans of their series. I know I for one won't be buying anything else by the company because of this.
A story is sacred, nothing should go against it, and the total lack of care on Bungies part is just sad.