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Subject: Is Master Chief the key to the Haloverse?

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Halo isn't the same without Master Chief...He's the face of Halo. Master Chief and Halo are like peanut butter and jelly. No matter how many times you deny it, Master Chief is the star, hero, legend. Like Wolverfrog said, everything revolves around Chief. Some things more then others, but it's all about Chief.

He's like Commander Shepard from Mass Effect. Like Isaac Clarke from Dead Space. Like Alan Wake...from Alan Wake! Etc.


So I guess from here on out we should start calling it Spartan-117 instead of Halo 4 then.

  • 12.30.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Everything revolves around Chief? Forerunner Saga onward towards The Fall of Reach say hi.

  • 12.30.2011 1:38 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Everything revolves around Chief? Forerunner Saga onward towards The Fall of Reach say hi.


Lol true. But for the games the Chief is essential for now.

  • 12.30.2011 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Bungie cares about its fans, they just had damn near everything stolen from them by the giant megacorporation that is Microsoft. It is Microsoft and 343 who have ruined the Halo series, NOT Bungie.

LOL, ignorant post is ignorant. Bungie decided to leave Halo, nothing was stolen from them. Also, before Bungie left, they left us with a game that completely disregarded canon. Then, replaced the original story with an abysmal, sh**ty campaign. Basically their so-called "swan song" was an abomination that should've never been made and damaged Halo's canon. So hmmm are you sure 343 and M$ are the ones ruining Halo? Seems to me Bungie is the one who has done Halo harm and 343 are the ones who have I fix Bungies mistakes.


Says the Master -blam!- fanboy and the one above him as well.


Why am i not suprised?
Instead of actually answering our points and my question,you just go the easy way which is trying to shut us down by declaring us "Master -blam!- fanboy".

You think you can put us down but your pathetic declaration?

I'll be waiting if you actually have any valid points,but it seems it's a concept alien to you.

  • 12.30.2011 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I think that Master Chief is important to the Halo universe but there is a bit too much focus on him. We have some good stories around him but a lot of other events are completely neglected. The war lasted for almost three decades but we only see the last year in any great detail. Everything else that is not important is pushed aside.

We have a grand total of two books and several short stories outside of the last year. Contact Harvest was an important book because it establishes the foundation of the war. Cole Protocol is not essential to the primary story but I like it because it did something different (whether it did it well is your own opinion). Rather than focusing on that last year of the war it tries to look elsewhere. Rather than having a book focused on all-out war with the Covenant we have a story that explores what the Innies were doing and what the Covenant is like. If there were more books that didn't focus on that last year we might have a much better universe.

Why should we have a short story focused on Cole? He is an important character and his actions shaped the universe. I feel that Cole's story has so much potential and to restrain it to a single short story sells short his importance.

I feel that focusing so much on Chief robs potential from the rest of the universe.

  • 12.30.2011 1:48 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

In my opinion, there are a set of stars.

Halsey, Mendez, Master Chief, Kelly, Kurt, and Keyes

Of course, this is for the entire canon, not the games exclusively.

  • 12.30.2011 1:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
I feel that focusing so much on Chief robs potential from the rest of the universe.
Agreed.

I think, as the character that launched the games, John will always be THAT guy, but the franchise has many other faces that can easily share the limelight with him. For those who delve into the extended fiction, they have many characters which they adore (perhaps moreso than 'Chief); and I believe 343 has the talent and passion to create many new ones as well that would have their own place in the universe. I believe after 6, 343 will do just that.

  • 12.30.2011 2:07 PM PDT

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Bungie cares about its fans, they just had damn near everything stolen from them by the giant megacorporation that is Microsoft. It is Microsoft and 343 who have ruined the Halo series, NOT Bungie.

LOL, ignorant post is ignorant. Bungie decided to leave Halo, nothing was stolen from them. Also, before Bungie left, they left us with a game that completely disregarded canon. Then, replaced the original story with an abysmal, sh**ty campaign. Basically their so-called "swan song" was an abomination that should've never been made and damaged Halo's canon. So hmmm are you sure 343 and M$ are the ones ruining Halo? Seems to me Bungie is the one who has done Halo harm and 343 are the ones who have I fix Bungies mistakes.


Says the Master -blam!- fanboy and the one above him as well.


Why am i not suprised?
Instead of actually answering our points and my question,you just go the easy way which is trying to shut us down by declaring us "Master -blam!- fanboy".

You think you can put us down but your pathetic declaration?

I'll be waiting if you actually have any valid points,but it seems it's a concept alien to you.


It is valid because it is the truth. It is people like you that keep this franchise from progressing and evolving to its full potential, because people like you are what cause rogue corporations like 343 to focus on Master Chief so that they can make their money off of you and continue to exploit and rob potential from what could be a great series.

Instead we get Halo 4, and foreign workers being exploited due to people supporting their greed and helping them in furthering their agenda of exploiting and destroying humanity...

...people like you.

  • 12.31.2011 3:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Bungie cares about its fans, they just had damn near everything stolen from them by the giant megacorporation that is Microsoft. It is Microsoft and 343 who have ruined the Halo series, NOT Bungie.

LOL, ignorant post is ignorant. Bungie decided to leave Halo, nothing was stolen from them. Also, before Bungie left, they left us with a game that completely disregarded canon. Then, replaced the original story with an abysmal, sh**ty campaign. Basically their so-called "swan song" was an abomination that should've never been made and damaged Halo's canon. So hmmm are you sure 343 and M$ are the ones ruining Halo? Seems to me Bungie is the one who has done Halo harm and 343 are the ones who have I fix Bungies mistakes.


Says the Master -blam!- fanboy and the one above him as well.


Why am i not suprised?
Instead of actually answering our points and my question,you just go the easy way which is trying to shut us down by declaring us "Master -blam!- fanboy".

You think you can put us down but your pathetic declaration?

I'll be waiting if you actually have any valid points,but it seems it's a concept alien to you.


It is valid because it is the truth. It is people like you that keep this franchise from progressing and evolving to its full potential, because people like you are what cause rogue corporations like 343 to focus on Master Chief so that they can make their money off of you and continue to exploit and rob potential from what could be a great series.

Instead we get Halo 4, and foreign workers being exploited due to people supporting their greed and helping them in furthering their agenda of exploiting and destroying humanity...

...people like you.


How is it my fault?
It's isn't my fault that the reclaimer trilogy is a very important chapter for the Halo universe where all things will be concluded and you will have to admit it, Master Chief is an important part of it,it isn't because of the many fans of him.Go complain to Bungie if you don't like it because they were the ones who created the legendary ending and had even plans for a Halo 4.

You can replace Master Chief in Halo 4...face it, he is important to the story.

I am always open to stories with different characters,so -blam!- somewhere else.

And again what is my fault?What is ours fault?Fault for what,that Halo is "ruined"?

You still have to prove that Halo is ruined by 343.

And you last phrases is just pathetic ,how is creating more Halo games equal to destroying Humanity.Most of the world doesn't even plays Halo.

  • 12.31.2011 5:09 AM PDT

Posted by: hotshot revan II


How is it my fault?
It's isn't my fault that the reclaimer trilogy is a very important chapter for the Halo universe where all things will be concluded and you will have to admit it, Master Chief is an important part of it,it isn't because of the many fans of him.Go complain to Bungie if you don't like it because they were the ones who created the legendary ending and had even plans for a Halo 4.

You can replace Master Chief in Halo 4...face it, he is important to the story.

I am always open to stories with different characters,so -blam!- somewhere else.

And again what is my fault?What is ours fault?Fault for what,that Halo is "ruined"?

And you last phrases is just pathetic ,how is creating more Halo games equal to destroying Humanity.Most of the world doesn't even plays Halo.



Right over your head, kid.
Right over your head.

It is the whining Master Chief fankids, most of them 12 or so, whining to Bungie about games like Reach and ODST not revolving around Master Chief. Congratz, you got what you wanted. Bungie left Halo for this specific reason. It is because of you they are gone, and is left in the hands of people not apart of Bungie, most of which have never worked on a Halo game in their life, and it is mainly your fault Halo is ruined but 343 is contributing.

Don't you get it? Megacorporations like Micro$hit and others, have complete and total disregard for the value of human life, look at worker conditions in foreign countries who work menial labor for cents on the hour just to support their starving families. Giant conglomerates, just like Micro$hit, who 343 I hope you know works for, screw over humanity and the environment, basically destroying our planet, so that they can make money off of this.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs25/f/2008/090/5/8/bill_gates___m aster_chief_by_DanteFan1.jpg

Hell, Bill Gates himself has spoken about 'population reduction'. How f**ked up is that? Just watch this video, educate yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-ZJB5mmcQ

The global elite are in of themselves a different species in my opinion, and Bill Gates, Ben Bernanke, and Ted Turner are just three of them, they number at about 6,000 and are essentially the super class who use the media and corporations to accumulate money & control our lives, and the way they are milking the Halo series and the Master Chief icon is just one example.

And to think, you actually support these psychopaths, you actually believe in this anti-Bungie, pro-Microsoft and big business propaganda, and because of that, you sicken me.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 5:41 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 5:32 AM PDT

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No, if there was no master chief Halo would be very dispointing. I do think that they should bring more spartans up though.

  • 12.31.2011 7:49 AM PDT
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Right over your head, kid.
Right over your head.


Look if you keep refusing to give any valid points on 343 ruining Halo then i'm done with you in this thread.
Calling me a kid,That's what you got?Keep giving people titles so you can feel superior on the internet but that's where it stops.


It is the whining Master Chief fankids, most of them 12 or so, whining to Bungie about games like Reach and ODST not revolving around Master Chief. Congratz, you got what you wanted. Bungie left Halo for this specific reason. It is because of you they are gone, and is left in the hands of people not apart of Bungie, most of which have never worked on a Halo game in their life, and it is mainly your fault Halo is ruined but 343 is contributing.
Right over your head, kid.
Right over your head.

hahah
No,if i were you i would actually read anything about Bungie before spitting out false BS.

Bungie had a 10 year contract with microsoft,so now that it is over Bungie has nothing to say anything about Halo as Microsoft has the rights over the Halo IP(the two seperated in 2007 or 2008)

.Which means MS can do anything they want with Halo like creating 343 industries to continue the franchise.Then there is also the fact that Bungie is tired of Halo and want to move into something else,they are a studio who want to make awesome different games and not just Halo.

You think Bungie planned to create Halo games in their entire carreer?-blam!- no

Your so called reasons for Bungie leaving Halo like the Master Chief fanboys -blam!-ing,i would love to see a link for it,so try again,although i expect nothing from you

True reasons:
-10 year contact,c'est fini
-They're bored and want do something new


The guys at 343 had either a history with Halo like Frankie, or they are passioned Halo fans.And that's all you need for a new Halo studio.Many of them come from other studios like pandemic or EA,so there is enough skill involved to make a kickass game.They don't need people who worked on Halo ,skilled fans is all you need.

Example:Greg Bear,did he had a history with Halo starting in 2001?Nope,he started on Halo a few years ago and Cryptum became a top favorite among fans,so it doesn't matters if most of the guys at 343 never worked in a Halo game.Irrelevant as hell

Don't you get it? Megacorporations like Micro$hit and others, have complete and total disregard for the value of human life, look at worker conditions in foreign countries who work menial labor for cents on the hour just to support their starving families. Giant conglomerates, just like Micro$hit, who 343 I hope you know works for, screw over humanity and the environment, basically destroying our planet, so that they can make money off of this.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs25/f/2008/090/5/8/bill_gates___m aster_chief_by_DanteFan1.jpg

Hell, Bill Gates himself has spoken about 'population reduction'. How f**ked up is that? Just watch this video, educate yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-ZJB5mmcQ

The global elite are in of themselves a different species in my opinion, and Bill Gates, Ben Bernanke, and Ted Turner are just three of them, they number at about 6,000 and are essentially the super class who use the media and corporations to accumulate money & control our lives, and the way they are milking the Halo series and the Master Chief icon is just one example.

And to think, you actually support these psychopaths, you actually believe in this anti-Bungie, pro-Microsoft and big business propaganda, and because of that, you sicken me.




Let's throw all our TV's,PC's and ipods out of the window.Face it,all these things have become a part of our life.

We humans will keep buying things from them.You complain about these so called bad Human conditions that they barely get any money?Well at least a little money is better then nothing.
Life on this planet is hard,people in all countries will always buy those kind of things as they have become a permanent part of our life and it's impossible to get rid off it unless you want us to go back into stone age.


So what do you want us to do,stop buying any things.

If you are so against MS and all those big corporations then go boycott all their products ,you can as well life in a forest without any tech or whatsover.

You know that PC where you're hiding behind at this moment?Guess where it comes from...right.
Oh how hypocritical.



  • 12.31.2011 10:39 AM PDT

You can't haz mudkip.


Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

I'm glad Bungie finally realized and finally made great characters, like that one dimensional and extremely boring ODST squad we got in Halo 3: ODST. It helps that their story is so unimportant to the current battle of Earth so that the gamer can realize that if they were playing as the Chief, they would probably be fighting in an incredible Halo ring in order to save humanity, the last thing we want, obviously.

And what about that incredible squad of brain damaged Spartan-III? I mean, their decisions sure saved Reach for five minutes, those glorious five minutes without that Supercarrier destroying Reach. Not to mention how developed they were, I mean, they were so extremely well developed that we barely see them in the game. Genius!

So yeah, who needs the Chief? As long as we have a faceless protagonist without personality and a bunch of one dimensional partners with a mediocre A.I., the Halo universe is safe.

Well, yeah, but Nathan Fillion played Buck. Your argument is therefore ghey and invalid.

  • 12.31.2011 6:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Ketsumaye

Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

I'm glad Bungie finally realized and finally made great characters, like that one dimensional and extremely boring ODST squad we got in Halo 3: ODST. It helps that their story is so unimportant to the current battle of Earth so that the gamer can realize that if they were playing as the Chief, they would probably be fighting in an incredible Halo ring in order to save humanity, the last thing we want, obviously.

And what about that incredible squad of brain damaged Spartan-III? I mean, their decisions sure saved Reach for five minutes, those glorious five minutes without that Supercarrier destroying Reach. Not to mention how developed they were, I mean, they were so extremely well developed that we barely see them in the game. Genius!

So yeah, who needs the Chief? As long as we have a faceless protagonist without personality and a bunch of one dimensional partners with a mediocre A.I., the Halo universe is safe.

Well, yeah, but Nathan Fillion played Buck. Your argument is therefore ghey and invalid.

*facepalm*

Seriously? Rather than wasting my time explaining how laughable and horrible your post is, I'll simply report and ignore you.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 6:39 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 6:38 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.

  • 12.31.2011 7:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.


You're missing all the little subtle character development through body language, then. Like the wordless bond he and the Arbiter form in Halo 3, which starts with John jamming a pistol under Thel's throat, and ends with the first thing he does after landing in the Dawn checking the Arbiter's okay as they share a silent nod.

[Edited on 12.31.2011 7:14 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2011 7:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Hell, Bill Gates himself has spoken about 'population reduction'. How f**ked up is that? Just watch this video, educate yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-ZJB5mmcQ

The person who made that video has no understanding of population dynamics. It is a cherry-picked, quote-mined strawman that completely misrepresents what Bill Gates' was proposing.

TIN HATS FOR ALL!.

  • 12.31.2011 7:32 PM PDT
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I agree that Master Chief is not as bland as people make him out to be. Besides the books, throughout the games we see Chief do a lot of subtle things, little jokes, ect. Those little things add up, and you actually get a decent character.

  • 12.31.2011 7:34 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.


You're missing all the little subtle character development through body language, then. Like the wordless bond he and the Arbiter form in Halo 3, which starts with John jamming a pistol under Thel's throat, and ends with the first thing he does after landing in the Dawn checking the Arbiter's okay as they share a silent nod.

And the members of Noble doing the same equates to nothing? Not saying you do it, but I do see some people dismissing gestures that Noble makes while pointing towards Chief doing similar things as proof of his depth.

  • 12.31.2011 7:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.


You're missing all the little subtle character development through body language, then. Like the wordless bond he and the Arbiter form in Halo 3, which starts with John jamming a pistol under Thel's throat, and ends with the first thing he does after landing in the Dawn checking the Arbiter's okay as they share a silent nod.

And the members of Noble doing the same equates to nothing? Not saying you do it, but I do see some people dismissing gestures that Noble makes while pointing towards Chief doing similar things as proof of his depth.


Strawman, nobody(That I'm aware of) in this thread said that the subtle gestures of NOBLE Team don't give them any depth. Which is true, their subtle gestures do give quite the good development, though people that are ignorant tend to miss such gestures then go off and label both MC and NOBLE 1-Dimensional.

  • 12.31.2011 7:50 PM PDT

Who's Master Chief?

  • 12.31.2011 8:00 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Says the Master -blam!- fanboy and the one above him as well.

So, you realize you're completely wrong and ignorant therefore you insult me because you can't be a man and admit that you're wrong. Classy.

  • 12.31.2011 8:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.


You're missing all the little subtle character development through body language, then. Like the wordless bond he and the Arbiter form in Halo 3, which starts with John jamming a pistol under Thel's throat, and ends with the first thing he does after landing in the Dawn checking the Arbiter's okay as they share a silent nod.

And the members of Noble doing the same equates to nothing? Not saying you do it, but I do see some people dismissing gestures that Noble makes while pointing towards Chief doing similar things as proof of his depth.

Maybe because those gestures are never elaborated and end up being random and unimportant. Stop acting like the victim, the gestures Master Chief makes are easy to understand, the ones from Noble Team are just... well... random and unimportant.

  • 12.31.2011 8:04 PM PDT
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Bungie did claim that there would be apparent depth. There was depth, just not as clear as they had said it would be.

  • 12.31.2011 8:30 PM PDT

Waypoint Moderators aren't really Moderators, just power hungry and its goal is defend their beloved Halo at all costs. (Meaning that they wank Halo too much.)

BS Angel is alleged foe so, be wary of Waypoint and its moderators! Do not attempt to move to Waypoint. Enter your own risk.

*WARNING* IT IS MY OPINION.

Posted by: Juan Teran

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Posted by: Quantam

Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

I'm glad Bungie finally realized and finally made great characters, like
that one dimensional and extremely boring ODST squad we got in Halo 3: ODST. It helps that their story is so unimportant to the current battle of Earth so that the gamer can realize that if they were playing as the Chief, they would probably be fighting in an incredible Halo ring in order to save humanity, the last thing we want, obviously.

And what about that incredible squad of brain damaged Spartan-III? I mean, their decisions sure saved Reach for five minutes, those glorious five minutes without that Supercarrier destroying Reach. Not to mention how developed they were, I mean, they were so extremely well developed that we barely see them in the game. Genius!

So yeah, who needs the Chief? As long as we have a faceless protagonist without personality and a bunch of one dimensional partners with a mediocre A.I., the Halo universe is safe.

The Arbiter was well developed.


Just ignore Juen, Quantam, he's generally not really worth the time to start an argument or debate with. The post here being case in point, he talks in overly large generalizations and generally won't listen to anything counter to what he thinks :/

@Juen

Of course, if you think it, it must be true right, every other opinion couldn't possibly be right in any way and must automatically be wrong because it contradicts yours. It all makes sense now! :P

Simmer down, monkey-boy. Your opinion is not fact, and it would serve you well to remember that. As well as to not be so confrontational. Acting as you are now is only going to make people mad and/or never take you at all seriously.
Hmmm, sorta of surprised by your response, especially by that obvious mispelling of my name. I mean, that other dude who constantly leaves an argument unfinished when he realizes that he is wrong and can't find the courage to admit it is one thing, and sure, I never really liked you to begin with, especially how close minded you were saying "there's a way to repair the plot holes, THERE'S A WAY!". But surprise, surprise, 343i actually found a way to repair the canon, congratulations guys, guess I was the close minded after all, but guess what? Now the "noble" sacrifice of those Spartans is part of the canon, the whole stupidity of the campaign in Halo: Reach can now be explained. The invasion starting in July 24, Reach being destroyed by a single Supercarrier and Corvettes that don't carry any shields. I guess I really hated the Campaign to the point where it doesn't matters if it can be explained or not, nothing makes sense. Doesn't helps that the characters are one dimensional, you don't get to see their Spartan awesomeness at all (scripted events Bungie, it could work, you know?), between many other obvious flaws. Hell, perhaps the most offensive flaw in the game is that Vidoc where Halsey describes each Spartan, I mean, why are we constantly told that Carter is a great leader, why can't we see it by ourselves in the Campaign? The same applies to every other member in the team, if it wasn't for Halsey, I wouldn't know what's their purpose in the team.

Where was I? Oh yeah, too bad since you actually gained some respect for taking the time to actually describe all the flaws in The Fall of Reach, describing how "lame" the ground defenses were, and how much of a joke the battle for Reach was.

But you guys are still missing the point. What it means for Reach to fall in a single day AGAINST THE BIGGEST COVENANT FLEET EVER. It represents the fate of humanity, we lost our second most important planet, the heart of the UNSC, in a single day, now all we have left is Earth. By making the battle longer, that feeling is lost. No desperation for survival, no shocking factor that not even Reach was able to survive this war, so many emotions found. But no, the fact that it was destroyed in a single day is the thing that you guys hate. Funny that you don't have a problem with Reach being destroyed BY A SINGLE SUPERCARRIER. Who wrote this game?

Interesting article about Bungie not even trying.

In that article, a guy asks Marcus Lehto why is Cortana in Reach when she should be aboard The Pillar of Autumn. Lehto actually happens to know that she should be in orbit with The Pillar of Autumn, but they prefer this story. In other words, they don't care. It's actually sad, because Cortana being in Reach is explained in Halsey's journal, and he doesn't even remembers that, or just happens to ignore it, but again, they don't care about the universe, let's make a game about shooting and jetpacks!

And last but not least, in case you people didn't understood my overly sarcastic post, yes, Master Chief is the center of the Halo universe. Halo 3: ODST and Reach have failed miserably because of the unimportant campaigns that have little to no importance in the war. I could tolerate this if it was a character oriented story, but that's not the case, as you barely get to see your squad, and all of them are so -blam!- boring and annoying. Doesn't helps that their A.I. is broken.


This man speaks truth. Thats why Reach sucked in my opinion.

  • 12.31.2011 8:35 PM PDT

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