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Subject: Is Master Chief the key to the Haloverse?

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MC made Halo. There's no other way to put it. I disliked the idea of The Rookie, and Noble 6. It wasn't the same knowing that I wasn't able to be MC. Yes, the other two protagonists were good, but they weren't the first, and the certainly weren't the most bad ass. Without MC I wouldn't still like Halo. The fact that he created the story around which all the other Halo games are founded is what keeps me coming back. I love Reach, so it's obvious to me that a game can be made with him as an antagonist. But I don't like it.

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Posted by: Twinkerdoodle
MC made Halo. There's no other way to put it. I disliked the idea of The Rookie, and Noble 6. It wasn't the same knowing that I wasn't able to be MC. Yes, the other two protagonists were good, but they weren't the first, and the certainly weren't the most bad ass. Without MC I wouldn't still like Halo. The fact that he created the story around which all the other Halo games are founded is what keeps me coming back. I love Reach, so it's obvious to me that a game can be made with him as an antagonist. But I don't like it.


What??

  • 01.01.2012 7:39 AM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

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Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.


You're missing all the little subtle character development through body language, then. Like the wordless bond he and the Arbiter form in Halo 3, which starts with John jamming a pistol under Thel's throat, and ends with the first thing he does after landing in the Dawn checking the Arbiter's okay as they share a silent nod.

And the members of Noble doing the same equates to nothing? Not saying you do it, but I do see some people dismissing gestures that Noble makes while pointing towards Chief doing similar things as proof of his depth.


Thing is, with Noble team there's no development because we know virtually nothing about them before Reach. I think they were fine characters at face value, but I felt as though I'd missed a few games in which they starred; it was like when I got my first experience of Halo when Halo 3 released in 2007 at a mate's house; we played campaign and I saw all this stuff about Chief and Cortana and it seemed interesting, but I didn't care because I didn't know who they were.

That's how I felt with Noble team.

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  • 01.01.2012 10:28 AM PDT

Judging by the tone of the interviews in the last vidoc, I'm not sure that Bungie even wanted to make ODST and Reach. Two more games were part of the agreement when Bungie split from Microsoft. Marty says that they wanted to make sure the fans "thought" that everyone at Bungie wanted to make those games, and it does seem like some people were really invested in the latest games, but I'm not sure that ODST and Reach had the same place in Bungie's collective heart as the original trilogy.

OT: I think that a game in the Halo franchise can be great without Master Chief. Do I think it has been done yet? No. ODST and Reach were good, but not great in my opinion.

  • 01.01.2012 10:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

Even though you are being sarcastic I agree with this. Chief has very little character. He is just as bland as Noble without the books to back him up and even then his character is minimal at best. The only parts in the game where I saw evidence of character was in his interactions with Cortana. Other than that he just stands around sprouting off the occasional one-liner.


You're missing all the little subtle character development through body language, then. Like the wordless bond he and the Arbiter form in Halo 3, which starts with John jamming a pistol under Thel's throat, and ends with the first thing he does after landing in the Dawn checking the Arbiter's okay as they share a silent nod.

And the members of Noble doing the same equates to nothing? Not saying you do it, but I do see some people dismissing gestures that Noble makes while pointing towards Chief doing similar things as proof of his depth.


Thing is, with Noble team there's no development because we know virtually nothing about them before Reach. I think they were fine characters at face value, but I felt as though I'd missed a few games in which they starred; it was like when I got my first experience of Halo when Halo 3 released in 2007 at a mate's house; we played campaign and I saw all this stuff about Chief and Cortana and it seemed interesting, but I didn't care because I didn't know who they were.

That's how I felt with Noble team.

Then why don't we give them some more material? A short story or two, maybe even a book. It won't change what happened in Reach but it might heal some of the cracks.

  • 01.01.2012 10:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999[/quote]
Then why don't we give them some more material? A short story or two, maybe even a book. It won't change what happened in Reach but it might heal some of the cracks.


I'd like that, and it should have happened around the time of Reach's release. But it didn't, and I doubt it will given their unpopularity amongst the majority of the fanbase.

  • 01.01.2012 10:36 AM PDT

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Let's throw all our TV's,PC's and ipods out of the window.Face it,all these things have become a part of our life.

We humans will keep buying things from them.You complain about these so called bad Human conditions that they barely get any money?Well at least a little money is better then nothing.
Life on this planet is hard,people in all countries will always buy those kind of things as they have become a permanent part of our life and it's impossible to get rid off it unless you want us to go back into stone age.


So what do you want us to do,stop buying any things.

If you are so against MS and all those big corporations then go boycott all their products ,you can as well life in a forest without any tech or whatsover.

You know that PC where you're hiding behind at this moment?Guess where it comes from...right.
Oh how hypocritical.



No, it is not impossible, stop supporting them making crappy games. Its that simple. Go for the underdog, like Bungie. Seriously, what is so wrong with Bungie? If you hate Bungie so much why the hell are you even on this site? Oh, so you can spout your big-business propaganda and the like - Master Chief fan boys and your videogame monopoly scheme. I know EXACTLY what you want. You want a game that basically sells out all others, to make any game other than Halo with Master Chief on its front cover obsolete, so we can get these monster conglomerate video game organizations like 343 to support the growing many-headed hydra that is Micro$hit.

Oh, trust me. Soon, Microsoft and every other mega corporation will control all avenues of cashflow on the planet. Any and all dissent against the Microsoft Empire and the New World Order will be executed without trial, no further questions asked. Obviously that is what you want. No variety. No choices. No God. No Jesus. Just Master Chief. The path of Halo and the light of the Master Chief is the only path, the only light - any and all dissenters against the Church of Chief will be executed no further questions asked. Your New World Order is just around the corner.

  • 01.13.2012 6:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Let's throw all our TV's,PC's and ipods out of the window.Face it,all these things have become a part of our life.

We humans will keep buying things from them.You complain about these so called bad Human conditions that they barely get any money?Well at least a little money is better then nothing.
Life on this planet is hard,people in all countries will always buy those kind of things as they have become a permanent part of our life and it's impossible to get rid off it unless you want us to go back into stone age.


So what do you want us to do,stop buying any things.

If you are so against MS and all those big corporations then go boycott all their products ,you can as well life in a forest without any tech or whatsover.

You know that PC where you're hiding behind at this moment?Guess where it comes from...right.
Oh how hypocritical.



No, it is not impossible, stop supporting them making crappy games. Its that simple. Go for the underdog, like Bungie. Seriously, what is so wrong with Bungie? If you hate Bungie so much why the hell are you even on this site? Oh, so you can spout your big-business propaganda and the like - Master Chief fan boys and your videogame monopoly scheme. I know EXACTLY what you want. You want a game that basically sells out all others, to make any game other than Halo with Master Chief on its front cover obsolete, so we can get these monster conglomerate video game organizations like 343 to support the growing many-headed hydra that is Micro$hit.

Oh, trust me. Soon, Microsoft and every other mega corporation will control all avenues of cashflow on the planet. Any and all dissent against the Microsoft Empire and the New World Order will be executed without trial, no further questions asked. Obviously that is what you want. No variety. No choices. No God. No Jesus. Just Master Chief. The path of Halo and the light of the Master Chief is the only path, the only light - any and all dissenters against the Church of Chief will be executed no further questions asked. Your New World Order is just around the corner.


-Those games aren't crappy in my freaking eyes or millions of others,s let us enjoy the games.Go ahead,you can stop buy those games if you want,but stop say us what to do as we Humans have different taste.You have a problem that people have different opinions?

Strawman

I never said there was something wrong with Bungie,never said that in any post of my in this thread.I don't hate them either.I'll stay here as long as i please too and you better suck it up as you will still see me lurking here for years to go.

You know what i want?Tell me can you suddenly mind read my head?
You don't know a -blam!- about my deepest desires.
Halo is my favorite franchise but it isn't important in my life,i have other things i want to do.


-hahahah lmao,your post is -blam!- silly and entertaining at the same time.
I feel pity for you,how pathetic...

  • 01.14.2012 4:23 AM PDT

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I will say no, and that he is just one of the players. I believe the trilogy is being made so that they can find what they can also have time to brainstorm ideas for the next character.

  • 01.14.2012 6:50 AM PDT
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You could be a random spartan and it would be the same.

  • 01.14.2012 7:34 AM PDT

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-Those games aren't crappy in my freaking eyes or millions of others,s let us enjoy the games.Go ahead,you can stop buy those games if you want,but stop say us what to do as we Humans have different taste.You have a problem that people have different opinions?


Jesus christ I can barely even read that, but what I got out of it was basically you're sticking up for the millions of mindless, brainwashed zombies, that about right? And no, it seems to me you're the one with the problem about me having my own opinion.

and you better suck it up as you will still see me lurking here for years to go.

Why am I not surprised, got anything better to do? Thought not.


You know what i want?Tell me can you suddenly mind read my head?
You don't know a -blam!- about my deepest desires.
Halo is my favorite franchise but it isn't important in my life,i have other things i want to do.


Like... lurking on these here forums for years to go?


-hahahah lmao,your post is -blam!- silly and entertaining at the same time.
I feel pity for you,how pathetic...


Likewise - keep feeding yourself to the power dons. I'll be on the other side of your little delusion looking in as you torture yourself.

  • 01.15.2012 10:08 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

I think the Spartans are the key to the Halo Universe because they are the embodiment of heroism which is what gives the Halo Universe its lure.

  • 01.16.2012 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: hotshot revan II

Let's throw all our TV's,PC's and ipods out of the window.Face it,all these things have become a part of our life.

We humans will keep buying things from them.You complain about these so called bad Human conditions that they barely get any money?Well at least a little money is better then nothing.
Life on this planet is hard,people in all countries will always buy those kind of things as they have become a permanent part of our life and it's impossible to get rid off it unless you want us to go back into stone age.


So what do you want us to do,stop buying any things.

If you are so against MS and all those big corporations then go boycott all their products ,you can as well life in a forest without any tech or whatsover.

You know that PC where you're hiding behind at this moment?Guess where it comes from...right.
Oh how hypocritical.



No, it is not impossible, stop supporting them making crappy games. Its that simple. Go for the underdog, like Bungie. Seriously, what is so wrong with Bungie? If you hate Bungie so much why the hell are you even on this site? Oh, so you can spout your big-business propaganda and the like - Master Chief fan boys and your videogame monopoly scheme. I know EXACTLY what you want. You want a game that basically sells out all others, to make any game other than Halo with Master Chief on its front cover obsolete, so we can get these monster conglomerate video game organizations like 343 to support the growing many-headed hydra that is Micro$hit.

Oh, trust me. Soon, Microsoft and every other mega corporation will control all avenues of cashflow on the planet. Any and all dissent against the Microsoft Empire and the New World Order will be executed without trial, no further questions asked. Obviously that is what you want. No variety. No choices. No God. No Jesus. Just Master Chief. The path of Halo and the light of the Master Chief is the only path, the only light - any and all dissenters against the Church of Chief will be executed no further questions asked. Your New World Order is just around the corner.


I hope you are trolling, I mean seriously.


So Master Chief fanboys have a huge buisiness scheme that ends with the entire world being influenced by Master Chief? I hope you realise that Master Chief was CREATED by Bungie, and they made 3 games about him. Master Chief isn't the creation of a big coprporation like Microsoft, but rather the creation of the much smaller company Bungie.

Regardless, this is all the slippery slope fallacy, but whatever.

I also hope you realise that what you described is not how the world really works either. In the big picture, it is the CONSUMERS(i.e. you) that influence and control large companies. These big companies also are some of the largest job providers, charity donators, and suppliers that there are. Without them you wouldn't have 75%-90% of the items or food that you own.

Ever watched Undercover Boss? The CEOs of large coporations DO care.

  • 01.16.2012 1:18 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein


Ever watched Undercover Boss? The CEOs of large coporations DO care.

Don't be so naïve bud.

  • 01.16.2012 1:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

I'm glad Bungie finally realized and finally made great characters, like that one dimensional and extremely boring ODST squad we got in Halo 3: ODST. It helps that their story is so unimportant to the current battle of Earth so that the gamer can realize that if they were playing as the Chief, they would probably be fighting in an incredible Halo ring in order to save humanity, the last thing we want, obviously.

And what about that incredible squad of brain damaged Spartan-III? I mean, their decisions sure saved Reach for five minutes, those glorious five minutes without that Supercarrier destroying Reach. Not to mention how developed they were, I mean, they were so extremely well developed that we barely see them in the game. Genius!

So yeah, who needs the Chief? As long as we have a faceless protagonist without personality and a bunch of one dimensional partners with a mediocre A.I., the Halo universe is safe.


I almost got angry until I sussed the sarcasm

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Ever watched Undercover Boss? The CEOs of large coporations DO care.

Don't be so naïve bud.


I'm not saying they are the most loving thing out there, but they do care. People tend to put inhuman faces on corporations, when really the corporations are made, supported, and staffed by humans.

Regardless, I was just supplying a contrast to Pred's "truths"

  • 01.16.2012 2:41 PM PDT

Corporations, when considering corporate personhood, would be psychopaths. They exhibit all the major symptoms of a pychopath, disregard for human life, the environment - they have no other concern, other than making money. They do not care. You are so naive and ignorant to the truth of the world it is sad.

Watch this documentary, please, enlighten yourself - think for yourself - quit watching the news, it is brainwashing you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR9n_YnOn8

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Corporations, when considering corporate personhood, would be psychopaths. They exhibit all the major symptoms of a pychopath, disregard for human life, the environment - they have no other concern, other than making money. They do not care. You are so naive and ignorant to the truth of the world it is sad.

Watch this documentary, please, enlighten yourself - think for yourself - quit watching the news, it is brainwashing you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR9n_YnOn8


I don't even know where to start. I honestly don't.

I honestly hope you are just trolling.

  • 01.16.2012 7:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Corporations, when considering corporate personhood, would be psychopaths. They exhibit all the major symptoms of a pychopath, disregard for human life, the environment - they have no other concern, other than making money. They do not care. You are so naive and ignorant to the truth of the world it is sad.

Watch this documentary, please, enlighten yourself - think for yourself - quit watching the news, it is brainwashing you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIR9n_YnOn8


I don't even know where to start. I honestly don't.

I honestly hope you are just trolling.


And I honestly hope you are not as brainwashed as you appear over the interwebs.

  • 01.17.2012 5:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Juan Teran

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Posted by: Juan Teran
Of course not, Master Chief is not the center of the Halo Universe, I hate his character, he isn't interesting and is far from being developed.

I'm glad Bungie finally realized and finally made great characters, like that one dimensional and extremely boring ODST squad we got in Halo 3: ODST. It helps that their story is so unimportant to the current battle of Earth so that the gamer can realize that if they were playing as the Chief, they would probably be fighting in an incredible Halo ring in order to save humanity, the last thing we want, obviously.

And what about that incredible squad of brain damaged Spartan-III? I mean, their decisions sure saved Reach for five minutes, those glorious five minutes without that Supercarrier destroying Reach. Not to mention how developed they were, I mean, they were so extremely well developed that we barely see them in the game. Genius!

So yeah, who needs the Chief? As long as we have a faceless protagonist without personality and a bunch of one dimensional partners with a mediocre A.I., the Halo universe is safe.

The Arbiter was well developed.


Just ignore Juen, Quantam, he's generally not really worth the time to start an argument or debate with. The post here being case in point, he talks in overly large generalizations and generally won't listen to anything counter to what he thinks :/

@Juen

Of course, if you think it, it must be true right, every other opinion couldn't possibly be right in any way and must automatically be wrong because it contradicts yours. It all makes sense now! :P

Simmer down, monkey-boy. Your opinion is not fact, and it would serve you well to remember that. As well as to not be so confrontational. Acting as you are now is only going to make people mad and/or never take you at all seriously.
Hmmm, sorta of surprised by your response, especially by that obvious mispelling of my name. I mean, that other dude who constantly leaves an argument unfinished when he realizes that he is wrong and can't find the courage to admit it is one thing, and sure, I never really liked you to begin with, especially how close minded you were saying "there's a way to repair the plot holes, THERE'S A WAY!". But surprise, surprise, 343i actually found a way to repair the canon, congratulations guys, guess I was the close minded after all, but guess what? Now the "noble" sacrifice of those Spartans is part of the canon, the whole stupidity of the campaign in Halo: Reach can now be explained. The invasion starting in July 24, Reach being destroyed by a single Supercarrier and Corvettes that don't carry any shields. I guess I really hated the Campaign to the point where it doesn't matters if it can be explained or not, nothing makes sense. Doesn't helps that the characters are one dimensional, you don't get to see their Spartan awesomeness at all (scripted events Bungie, it could work, you know?), between many other obvious flaws. Hell, perhaps the most offensive flaw in the game is that Vidoc where Halsey describes each Spartan, I mean, why are we constantly told that Carter is a great leader, why can't we see it by ourselves in the Campaign? The same applies to every other member in the team, if it wasn't for Halsey, I wouldn't know what's their purpose in the team.

Where was I? Oh yeah, too bad since you actually gained some respect for taking the time to actually describe all the flaws in The Fall of Reach, describing how "lame" the ground defenses were, and how much of a joke the battle for Reach was.

But you guys are still missing the point. What it means for Reach to fall in a single day AGAINST THE BIGGEST COVENANT FLEET EVER. It represents the fate of humanity, we lost our second most important planet, the heart of the UNSC, in a single day, now all we have left is Earth. By making the battle longer, that feeling is lost. No desperation for survival, no shocking factor that not even Reach was able to survive this war, so many emotions found. But no, the fact that it was destroyed in a single day is the thing that you guys hate. Funny that you don't have a problem with Reach being destroyed BY A SINGLE SUPERCARRIER. Who wrote this game?

Interesting article about Bungie not even trying.

In that article, a guy asks Marcus Lehto why is Cortana in Reach when she should be aboard The Pillar of Autumn. Lehto actually happens to know that she should be in orbit with The Pillar of Autumn, but they prefer this story. In other words, they don't care. It's actually sad, because Cortana being in Reach is explained in Halsey's journal, and he doesn't even remembers that, or just happens to ignore it, but again, they don't care about the universe, let's make a game about shooting and jetpacks!

And last but not least, in case you people didn't understood my overly sarcastic post, yes, Master Chief is the center of the Halo universe. Halo 3: ODST and Reach have failed miserably because of the unimportant campaigns that have little to no importance in the war. I could tolerate this if it was a character oriented story, but that's not the case, as you barely get to see your squad, and all of them are so -blam!- boring and annoying. Doesn't helps that their A.I. is broken.


[/RANT!] lol

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