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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101

I'm just going to come to the understanding that you're a complete idiot who contradicts himself because that is what you're doing right now.


Is this the part i go cry in a corner or pretend that i am suppose to be offended in some manner?I don't know which one you want me to do.


I am not "contradicting" anything. I am trying to understand why the ring was fired when it was over kill. if that is too much for you to understand then i won't apologize.


Because escaping an exploding Halo on a Warthog is more exciting than pressing a button. Not to mention that we don't know if glassing would work on a Halo ring, or if some automatic defenses would boot up and retaliate.

It was too much of a risk. Far safer to destroy it internally. I also think that the firing of the Halo ring didn't just blow it up, but actually initiated a localised neutrino pulse too which destroyed all life in that sector.


Elder says that blowing up the dawn wouldn't be enough even in the rings weak state. He said that blowing up the Shadow would be more than enough. So i don't see why they didn't just detach half the unneeded parts of that ship and blow it up along with the dawn.
the could have used corvettes to transport the remaining crew.


What i am trying to work out here is a way to save the ark that didn't require activating halo. And yes it was activated there is a video on waypoint that states it did. I believe i also say it on bungie or something saying "the ark was ravaged by fires that destroyed it". The Ring isn't large enough to destroy the ark anyway.

  • 12.21.2011 5:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
He was killed there is a difference.

That's not an answer to the OP's question.

OT: Yes, of course he deserved it. He manipulated the Chief in Halo, killed SGT Johnson in Halo 3 and almost killed the Chief and the Arbiter in Halo 3 as well.



The OP's topic is stupid.

No 343 did not need to be killed for following protocol. Especially when the ring didn't need to be activated in the first place. Rushing to "The Dawn" and having the ship explode would have damaged the ring enough in it's unfinished state. They then could have taken a pelican to the portal and live happily ever after.


And if glassing is "Soo powerful" I don't understand why they didn't just blow the ring up from space anyway. Both the shadow of intent and the Dawn could have destroyed it from space easy. As much as people are trying to make 343 look like they have no idea what they are doing, all bungie really does is blow stuff up to save the time of explaining it.


Wow, you like to complain a lot.
AND you hated on Bungie on Bungie.net...wtf?

  • 12.21.2011 5:22 PM PDT

Hey matt! Ur on!

  • 12.21.2011 5:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: MAnTiTail227

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheSpiderChief

Posted by: grey101
He was killed there is a difference.

That's not an answer to the OP's question.

OT: Yes, of course he deserved it. He manipulated the Chief in Halo, killed SGT Johnson in Halo 3 and almost killed the Chief and the Arbiter in Halo 3 as well.



The OP's topic is stupid.

No 343 did not need to be killed for following protocol. Especially when the ring didn't need to be activated in the first place. Rushing to "The Dawn" and having the ship explode would have damaged the ring enough in it's unfinished state. They then could have taken a pelican to the portal and live happily ever after.


And if glassing is "Soo powerful" I don't understand why they didn't just blow the ring up from space anyway. Both the shadow of intent and the Dawn could have destroyed it from space easy. As much as people are trying to make 343 look like they have no idea what they are doing, all bungie really does is blow stuff up to save the time of explaining it.


Wow, you like to complain a lot.
AND you hated on Bungie on Bungie.net...wtf?


You do understand what "complaining" is right? I am not complaining about anything but trying to work out how they could have accomplished their goals without destroying the ark.

I don't recall "hating on bungie" and even if i did i don';t understand the relevance. i am just stating the fact that bungie would rather blow something new up rather than take the time explaining it or giving it more depth.

  • 12.21.2011 5:24 PM PDT

i agree with grey

  • 12.21.2011 5:25 PM PDT

Why are you here?

He'll be back.

And in greater numbers...


[Edited on 12.21.2011 6:28 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2011 6:27 PM PDT
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Like what?
"Oh hey honey im going to virtually destroy oh.... 10 or so interplanetary species and hopefully become a god after I have a cataclysmic suicide!"

I'm thinking the ring wasn't developed so it put out a different frequency than normal. Like how the original halo destroyed the precursor artifacts on that planet (which name escapes me)

Imagine what it would do to forerunner infrastructure (the ark)

And it's always better to be safe than sure, and from what I can tell, if you're not taking it safe with the Flood and just assuming things you're just asking for another outbreak.

  • 12.21.2011 7:08 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

I voted Bleep Bloop for my achievable.

Well he couldn't really die, being a robot, but that's a cop-out. He didn't deserve to die so much as his life was impeding all life in the galaxy. The needs of the many over the needs of the few.

  • 12.21.2011 7:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101I don't recall it being said that ALL flood were on the ring. I always figured that by activating it, they were wiping out all flood in the area, rather than just those on the ring.

  • 12.21.2011 8:43 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101

I'm just going to come to the understanding that you're a complete idiot who contradicts himself because that is what you're doing right now.


Is this the part i go cry in a corner or pretend that i am suppose to be offended in some manner?I don't know which one you want me to do.


I am not "contradicting" anything. I am trying to understand why the ring was fired when it was over kill. if that is too much for you to understand then i won't apologize.


Because escaping an exploding Halo on a Warthog is more exciting than pressing a button. Not to mention that we don't know if glassing would work on a Halo ring, or if some automatic defenses would boot up and retaliate.

It was too much of a risk. Far safer to destroy it internally. I also think that the firing of the Halo ring didn't just blow it up, but actually initiated a localised neutrino pulse too which destroyed all life in that sector.


Elder says that blowing up the dawn wouldn't be enough even in the rings weak state. He said that blowing up the Shadow would be more than enough. So i don't see why they didn't just detach half the unneeded parts of that ship and blow it up along with the dawn.
the could have used corvettes to transport the remaining crew.


What i am trying to work out here is a way to save the ark that didn't require activating halo. And yes it was activated there is a video on waypoint that states it did. I believe i also say it on bungie or something saying "the ark was ravaged by fires that destroyed it". The Ring isn't large enough to destroy the ark anyway.


They didn't want to save the Ark; it was infested by the Flood. Of course the Ring's big enough to destroy it; it was barely risen from its atmosphere, and the ensuing explosion must have been collosal.

In Cryptum, the First Councillor says that the Halo rings are programmed to automatically defend themselves should they come under attack. Were MAC rounds or plasma immolation to begin striking either installation, the entire combined fleet would be wiped out; in the battle for the Capital, even Forerunner ships are unable to destroy all the Halos, only one managing to be destroyed by the Fortress-class ship. As we know, even the Forerunner Keyship far outstrips any Covenant or human vessel, and that's not even a dedicated combat ship.

As far as the igniting a reactor core goes, there are too many unknown variables where that's concerned. Not only could 343 Guilty Spark have prevented the meltdown, but so could the Gravemind, Penitent Tangent or even Mendicant Bias -- John had seen the terminals, so for all he knew the Contender ancilla still remained loyal to the Mind.

Not to mention that the explosion might have only been enough to partition the ring into several pieces as the Autumn did in CE; hardly a sufficient enough blast to also wipe out the Flood and the Ark.

But I don't even think the intention was to blow up Halo. They just wanted to fire the ring on a localised scale; when told by Spark that the installation would be ready to fire "in just a few more days," Johnson answers with "we don't have a few more days," and regret seems to sweep across his eyes before he inserts Cortana into Halo and tells Spark to "deal with it." That implies that if they did have the time, they would have waited until the Ring could have properly fired and then just activated the neutrino pulse, which would have wiped out all Flood infection in the local area.

You've got to understand that all the Flood wasn't on the Halo ring; most of it was on the Ark and there were probably ships all around it that we never saw. Activating Halo was the only way to make sure they were all wiped out.

It blowing up and destroying the Ark was just an unfortunate side effect; I highly doubt they all planned to do a last-minute desperate escape in the Warthog, evidenced by Cortana telling Johnson that "safe is better than close." If they'd planned to drive across an exploding Halo, explosions cascading all around them, then I'm sure Johnson would have risked landing the Dawn closer.

[Edited on 12.22.2011 4:02 AM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 3:52 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: TheSpiderChief

Posted by: grey101
He was killed there is a difference.

That's not an answer to the OP's question.

OT: Yes, of course he deserved it. He manipulated the Chief in Halo, killed SGT Johnson in Halo 3 and almost killed the Chief and the Arbiter in Halo 3 as well.



The OP's topic is stupid.

No 343 did not need to be killed for following protocol. Especially when the ring didn't need to be activated in the first place. Rushing to "The Dawn" and having the ship explode would have damaged the ring enough in it's unfinished state. They then could have taken a pelican to the portal and live happily ever after.


And if glassing is "Soo powerful" I don't understand why they didn't just blow the ring up from space anyway. Both the shadow of intent and the Dawn could have destroyed it from space easy. As much as people are trying to make 343 look like they have no idea what they are doing, all bungie really does is blow stuff up to save the time of explaining it.


They weren't blowing up the ring in Halo 3, they activated Halo to eliminate the Flood infected High Charity, and before that they were only at the Ark to stop Truth from activating the rings. Blowing up the Dawn via wildcat destabilisation of the fusion reactors isn't going to kill the Flood, nor is it going to full destroy the Halo ring like the premature activation did.

On topic: 343i was trying to follow protocol after 100,000 years of doing pretty much jack all...any AI would go rampant after that amount of time. So ultimately, 343 was just obsessed with his orders, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

  • 12.22.2011 4:55 AM PDT
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He will be back.

If the installation gets destroyed ...it rebuilds.
If the monitor gets destroyed...the installation would be almost impossible to use...so he will be rebuilded...

  • 12.22.2011 6:35 AM PDT

GhostRider

I think so. He did try and stop the chief after deceiving him.

  • 12.22.2011 10:39 AM PDT

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