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Not revealing too much about a new concept is one thing, giving next to no information is another. Seriously. How do they have Mark VIIs? Where did they get the forerunner upgrades for the Infinity? How the hell did they find Installation 03? What are the insurrectionists planning? I don't expect them to detail each and everything however I expect more than a couple of sentences. Karen barely gave us enough info that we could start speculating about those things.


My point still stands. Why would she reveal information that is supposed to be spread out over the course of a series? All of the questions you asked are valid, but we can still speculate on it without having any more information.

As it is we have very little to work with.


A good thing it's her job and not yours, then. Seriously, let the writer at least finish her trilogy before you start -blam!-ing about how she writes it.

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Posted by: Sniffy66

Not revealing too much about a new concept is one thing, giving next to no information is another. Seriously. How do they have Mark VIIs? Where did they get the forerunner upgrades for the Infinity? How the hell did they find Installation 03? What are the insurrectionists planning? I don't expect them to detail each and everything however I expect more than a couple of sentences. Karen barely gave us enough info that we could start speculating about those things.


My point still stands. Why would she reveal information that is supposed to be spread out over the course of a series? All of the questions you asked are valid, but we can still speculate on it without having any more information.


Um the point of a novel is to explain, not introduce everything in one novel then spend two novels explaining the first.


Cryptum was the first forerunner novel yet a large amount was explained about them. We know what they look like (roughly), how tall they are, how strong there ships are,what they are made of,etc.

What Sniffy said about Glasslands is 100 percent true; while Karen might be good at explaining characters and what not, she is horrible with concepts and lore.

She didn't attempt to explain how the ONI has been getting so much forerunner tech seeing how the first major cache they had is the portal. All the other little pockets they ether closed off,couldn't access, or (nearly all) had to be destroyed.
We could say she changed the strength of Spartan IIIs to being that of an ODST, She made full grown adults look and act like children, created the entire hate of halsey based off maggie not liking her,etc.

That is some of the issues that people have trouble with. As for Mark VII it should have gotten more than 2 sentences on it, the spartan IV project could have gotten more elaboration also.

Then you have the issue with a sphere the size of earth's orbit dropping out of slipspace and not putting a strain on it whatsoever. Which i find to be an unforgivable flaw seeing how that is far larger then the ark and 12 halos. So see clearly doesn't know anything about slipspace either.


Regardless of how good Karen might be with characters, it isn't worth the mishaps she created in the novel. I feel like the book would have been better if it was done by the author of "The Return".


So basically you're saying that you know how to write a Halo book better than the people that have been writing the Halo books? You clearly know nothing about what it takes to write a multi-novel series. What plot points would exist to explain on in future novels if she reveals any more than what she already did? Did you forget that this novel was supposed to hint at a few things in Halo 4? Why would you want to go play a game/read some books where you already know all the backstory to most of the dramatis personae? Karen did a fantastic job revealing some things that we can speculate on in the time until the next book. You're just going to have to suck it up and wait for the rest of the books to be written. Oh, the horror.

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Posted by: Sniffy66

Not revealing too much about a new concept is one thing, giving next to no information is another. Seriously. How do they have Mark VIIs? Where did they get the forerunner upgrades for the Infinity? How the hell did they find Installation 03? What are the insurrectionists planning? I don't expect them to detail each and everything however I expect more than a couple of sentences. Karen barely gave us enough info that we could start speculating about those things.


My point still stands. Why would she reveal information that is supposed to be spread out over the course of a series? All of the questions you asked are valid, but we can still speculate on it without having any more information.

As it is we have very little to work with.


A good thing it's her job and not yours, then. Seriously, let the writer at least finish her trilogy before you start -blam!-ing about how she writes it.

Wait for several years before criticism? I am saying that by including such important plot points (at least it seems this way) with nothing to go along with it seems rather shoehorned in there. Including a Halo but leaving it completely unmentioned? A new mark of MJOLNIR comes around and we are told nothing except a sentence saying it has nanites? I would expect that these things would have at least some connection to the plot. These are obviously important plot points for future endeavors so I am dissapointed that we are told nothing. The book essentially says "We have a super ship full of Forerunner tech! Also, Spartan IVs!" If they had some relevance to the plot then I would have been fine but they don't.

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Posted by: Sniffy66

Not revealing too much about a new concept is one thing, giving next to no information is another. Seriously. How do they have Mark VIIs? Where did they get the forerunner upgrades for the Infinity? How the hell did they find Installation 03? What are the insurrectionists planning? I don't expect them to detail each and everything however I expect more than a couple of sentences. Karen barely gave us enough info that we could start speculating about those things.


My point still stands. Why would she reveal information that is supposed to be spread out over the course of a series? All of the questions you asked are valid, but we can still speculate on it without having any more information.

As it is we have very little to work with.


A good thing it's her job and not yours, then. Seriously, let the writer at least finish her trilogy before you start -blam!-ing about how she writes it.

Wait for several years before criticism? I am saying that by including such important plot points (at least it seems this way) with nothing to go along with it seems rather shoehorned in there. Including a Halo but leaving it completely unmentioned? A new mark of MJOLNIR comes around and we are told nothing except a sentence saying it has nanites? I would expect that these things would have at least some connection to the plot. These are obviously important plot points for future endeavors so I am dissapointed that we are told nothing. The book essentially says "We have a super ship full of Forerunner tech! Also, Spartan IVs!" If they had some relevance to the plot then I would have been fine but they don't.


We're not told much more because they are supposed to be plot points explained in greater detail in future novels. What is so hard to understand about that? Are you 12?

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Posted by: Sniffy66

Not revealing too much about a new concept is one thing, giving next to no information is another. Seriously. How do they have Mark VIIs? Where did they get the forerunner upgrades for the Infinity? How the hell did they find Installation 03? What are the insurrectionists planning? I don't expect them to detail each and everything however I expect more than a couple of sentences. Karen barely gave us enough info that we could start speculating about those things.


My point still stands. Why would she reveal information that is supposed to be spread out over the course of a series? All of the questions you asked are valid, but we can still speculate on it without having any more information.


Um the point of a novel is to explain, not introduce everything in one novel then spend two novels explaining the first.


Cryptum was the first forerunner novel yet a large amount was explained about them. We know what they look like (roughly), how tall they are, how strong there ships are,what they are made of,etc.

What Sniffy said about Glasslands is 100 percent true; while Karen might be good at explaining characters and what not, she is horrible with concepts and lore.

She didn't attempt to explain how the ONI has been getting so much forerunner tech seeing how the first major cache they had is the portal. All the other little pockets they ether closed off,couldn't access, or (nearly all) had to be destroyed.
We could say she changed the strength of Spartan IIIs to being that of an ODST, She made full grown adults look and act like children, created the entire hate of halsey based off maggie not liking her,etc.

That is some of the issues that people have trouble with. As for Mark VII it should have gotten more than 2 sentences on it, the spartan IV project could have gotten more elaboration also.

Then you have the issue with a sphere the size of earth's orbit dropping out of slipspace and not putting a strain on it whatsoever. Which i find to be an unforgivable flaw seeing how that is far larger then the ark and 12 halos. So see clearly doesn't know anything about slipspace either.


Regardless of how good Karen might be with characters, it isn't worth the mishaps she created in the novel. I feel like the book would have been better if it was done by the author of "The Return".


So basically you're saying that you know how to write a Halo book better than the people that have been writing the Halo books? You clearly know nothing about what it takes to write a multi-novel series. What plot points would exist to explain on in future novels if she reveals any more than what she already did? Did you forget that this novel was supposed to hint at a few things in Halo 4? Why would you want to go play a game/read some books where you already know all the backstory to most of the dramatis personae? Karen did a fantastic job revealing some things that we can speculate on in the time until the next book. You're just going to have to suck it up and wait for the rest of the books to be written. Oh, the horror.



I don't remember saying nor implying that i could write a book better, so stop being childish. Um, Eric had no problem explaining concepts first introduced in a book same with bear and many other writers. No, this book was suppose to further the post-war saga, halo 4 is only taking little bits from this story. I Liked halo CE more because it had a novel on it, i don't see the relevance to it though.


It shouldn't take more books to explain every little detail in the first book and things are probably going to get better explained because of the criticism she is getting. I personally do not care for the little Hate Karen then, i am looking at it from a non-Bias perspective when i say She could have done a far better job in explaining newly introduced concepts and sticking with previous ones.

If you are honestly going to whine about somebody not having the same point as you then Don't every try working with a human being. I made my points (which were all valid) and i will stick to them. If you want to start arguing over it then so be it, but some things Karen did are clear mishaps that she doesn't need to do again.

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I don't remember saying nor implying that i could write a book better, so stop being childish. Um, Eric had no problem explaining concepts first introduced in a book same with bear and many other writers. No, this book was suppose to further the post-war saga, halo 4 is only taking little bits from this story. I Liked halo CE more because it had a novel on it, i don't see the relevance to it though.


It shouldn't take more books to explain every little detail in the first book and things are probably going to get better explained because of the criticism she is getting. I personally do not care for the little Hate Karen then, i am looking at it from a non-Bias perspective when i say She could have done a far better job in explaining newly introduced concepts and sticking with previous ones.

If you are honestly going to whine about somebody not having the same point as you then Don't every try working with a human being. I made my points (which were all valid) and i will stick to them. If you want to start arguing over it then so be it, but some things Karen did are clear mishaps that she doesn't need to do again.


You can stick to your opinions all you want, doesn't change the fact that it's based on an incorrect assumption. Like I said earlier, there's no point to explain everything that was mentioned in the book, or even hint at them a little more, if there are going to be more books explaining all of these events in the future. It's not supposed to be a standalone book, by that logic, FoR, FS, and GoO should've all been one book. The way it sounds to me, you just don't have the comprehension or patience to wait for further entries in this series.

Not to mention, have you ever considered that she might not be allowed to explain more? The series of books could already be all planned out for all you know, and you're whining because she didn't explain more about Infinity, or explain more about the S-IVs. Don't trash an author or their work just because you think it was done wrong.

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Who are you to say my opinions are incorrectly wrong when they aren't? i am just not trying to press them as a fact because i am not arrogant. Give me a quote where i asked for everything to be explained in one book. If you can't give it then shut up with that and re-read what i have been saying.

All i have been saying is that Karen could have done a better job further explaining some of the stuff she introduced. Did i say explain all of it in one go? No i did not. I said She could have done better than giving single sentences for some of the concepts.

So please tell me how may opinion on that matter is "incorrect"? because i am sure even the diehard Glasslands saviors can agree on that reasonable notion. So get your head out of your ass before trying to say somebody is "incorrect".


Now i know for a fact Glasslands isn't planned out seeing how Frankie said Cryptum was written out before halo 4's story even came into play. He then said that cryptum will be the backbone for the new trilogy and that it will take some bits from Karen Travis's novel Glasslands. Therefore, Glasslands isn't some well thought out storyline that was written months in advance like you are making it out to be. Not to mention it more or less retconned "the Return".


So am i suppose to blindly say that the book was 100 percent awesome and not state any flaws it had? Some people have no problem taking constructive criticism and if you can't then just get over yourself. Karen as a writer should be use to it,especially from what she did to starwars (from what i have heard).
Infinity was well explained but not where all these advances are coming from. another main issue is the fact the story is taking place before halo 3 even ends, which wasn't a good choice in timing whatsoever and it seems like it is being rushed for halo 4.

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Who are you to say my opinions are incorrectly wrong when they aren't? i am just not trying to press them as a fact because i am not arrogant. Give me a quote where i asked for everything to be explained in one book. If you can't give it then shut up with that and re-read what i have been saying.

All i have been saying is that Karen could have done a better job further explaining some of the stuff she introduced. Did i say explain all of it in one go? No i did not. I said She could have done better than giving single sentences for some of the concepts.

So please tell me how may opinion on that matter is "incorrect"? because i am sure even the diehard Glasslands saviors can agree on that reasonable notion. So get your head out of your ass before trying to say somebody is "incorrect".


Now i know for a fact Glasslands isn't planned out seeing how Frankie said Cryptum was written out before halo 4's story even came into play. He then said that cryptum will be the backbone for the new trilogy and that it will take some bits from Karen Travis's novel Glasslands. Therefore, Glasslands isn't some well thought out storyline that was written months in advance like you are making it out to be. Not to mention it more or less retconned "the Return".


So am i suppose to blindly say that the book was 100 percent awesome and not state any flaws it had? Some people have no problem taking constructive criticism and if you can't then just get over yourself. Karen as a writer should be use to it,especially from what she did to starwars (from what i have heard).
Infinity was well explained but not where all these advances are coming from. another main issue is the fact the story is taking place before halo 3 even ends, which wasn't a good choice in timing whatsoever and it seems like it is being rushed for halo 4.



It shouldn't take more books to explain every little detail in the first book and things are probably going to get better explained because of the criticism she is getting.

How's that? You're pretty much saying that you think everything should've been neatly summarized in one book, and that it only has to be explained across more novels because of people complaining.

Judging by your poorly-constructed counterpoints(alot of which focused on you calling me names), I have no choice but to still insist you really have no idea how this book was supposed to function. It was a setup for future stories dealing with the post-Halo trilogy era, and to drop some hints regarding Halo 4. The way you're insisting the book have been written, you might as well say that Halo:CE was poorly done because it didn't explain more of the story. That mystery is what made that game amazing, and it's the same reason why Glasslands was a very good novel. You've refused to acknowledge that, insisting that this book was shoddy and poorly-written based on your personal assumptions on how the book should've been done. Traviss has written alot of books, many of which I've read, and they've all been very good. I think it's a safe bet to say that she knows more about structuring a book than you. After all, you don't try to tell an NFL quarterback how you think he should play the game, do you? No, you don't.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

That isn't what i am saying, i have stated several times what i am saying.

"It shouldn't take more books to explain every little detail in the first book and things are probably going to get better explained because of the criticism she is getting."

Are you going to warp anything anybody says to support yourself?
Why (If there even is a reason) the dyson sphere didn't crash slipspace could have been explained, along with how the hell it just came out of slipspace. That could have been covered in this novel, same for Mark VII; which i am saying could have been further explained not fully. There is a clear difference in those words.

Just because i am not saying what you want to hear doesn't make my counter points "poorly constructed". unless you have an extreme issue in understand the simple thing i am expressing. What? So the mystery in why ONI has the funds to do everything despite the fact the UEG economy is shattered is amazing to you?

And i couldn't care less to hear your opinion either since you think you know so much about novels. not to mention you are forcing your viewpoint as an exaggerated fact. You are a hyper-hypocrite in all standards and meanings of that title.

"Traviss has written alot of books, many of which I've read, and they've all been very good.


That is a clear opinion, while you may have liked her books there are many people that don't. so live with the fact there aren't alot of people on the Karen Travis brown nosing fanclub.
Plenty of starwars fans dislike her for whatever she wrote in her books, so before praising her like a god acknowledge the fact she clearly messed up somewhere in the line.

"I think it's a safe bet to say that she knows more about structuring a book than you."

Who cares about "structure"? I all have been saying is that she could have done a better job in explaining some concepts. I don't know how many times i need to repeat that to you in order for you to understand. And if she was so god she wouldn't be getting flak from starwars fans and now halo fans.


I am not telling her how to write a book. I am just stating that she could have explained things better. seriously, do you not understand what that means?

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Grey made valid points on the Glasslands's inconsistencies, etc.

Also, in fact, this book received poor rating because of traviss's poor writing skills and it sounded that she didn't use so much facts from Halo universe.

Look at her star wars novels, it received a lot criticism. It's not surprising that Halo Glasslands received similar results.

I even have read this book personally and I can say, it is horrible book.

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That isn't what i am saying, i have stated several times what i am saying.

I am not telling her how to write a book. I am just stating that she could have explained things better. seriously, do you not understand what that means?


I understand what it means. It means you don't think she's a good enough writer to do what you expected out of the book. Again, you're not taking the book for what it is, you're buttstrated that it wasn't what you expected.

Who cares about "structure"?

Intelligent people.

That is a clear opinion, while you may have liked her books there are many people that don't. so live with the fact there aren't alot of people on the Karen Travis brown nosing fanclub.
Plenty of starwars fans dislike her for whatever she wrote in her books, so before praising her like a god acknowledge the fact she clearly messed up somewhere in the line.


I could make some witty joke here, most likely a 'u mad?', but honestly, at this point, that's beneath me. You're still insisting the only reason I like her work is that I worship her like a god, or I'm a brown-noser. I mean, those insults don't even make any sense. If you're going to resort to idiotic insults, I wouldn't be surprised if more people in the future wrote you off as a moron. I already did, considering that you haven't come back with any decent counterpoint, you've stuck to insisting 'she could've done a better job explaining things hurr da durr da derp'. Which, is not a valid criticism. It's an opinion. She wrote the book how she thought it should be written, not according to buttstrated children.

Just because i am not saying what you want to hear doesn't make my counter points "poorly constructed". unless you have an extreme issue in understand the simple thing i am expressing.

I'm not looking for anything I want to hear from you. I'd just like some sort of legitimate criticism of her work and not whining.

What? So the mystery in why ONI has the funds to do everything despite the fact the UEG economy is shattered is amazing to you?

What the hell does this even mean? How is this even a rebuttal to anything I've said? Sense, you don't make it.

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chubbz

Grey made valid points on the Glasslands's inconsistencies, etc.

Also, in fact, this book received poor rating because of traviss's poor writing skills and it sounded that she didn't use so much facts from Halo universe.

Look at her star wars novels, it received a lot criticism. It's not surprising that Halo Glasslands received similar results.

I even have read this book personally and I can say, it is horrible book.


No, he hasn't. He's been complaining that Traviss didn't hold his hand and tell him everything she could.

I've probably read all of her Star Wars novels, considering I've read a solid 40-50% of the Expanded Universe. New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force, Fate of the Jedi, Dark Nest trilogy, etc. Please inform me as to which novels of hers have been criticized, so I can go back and look them up. Don't worry, I'll wait.

As far as poor writing skills go, I highly doubt that Lucasarts OR Microsoft would allow her anywhere near a book if she had subpar writing skills, or has been critically lambasted as much as you and Grey say she has been.

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Posted by: grey101
That isn't what i am saying, i have stated several times what i am saying.

I am not telling her how to write a book. I am just stating that she could have explained things better. seriously, do you not understand what that means?


I understand what it means. It means you don't think she's a good enough writer to do what you expected out of the book. Again, you're not taking the book for what it is, you're buttstrated that it wasn't what you expected.

Who cares about "structure"?

Intelligent people.

That is a clear opinion, while you may have liked her books there are many people that don't. so live with the fact there aren't alot of people on the Karen Travis brown nosing fanclub.
Plenty of starwars fans dislike her for whatever she wrote in her books, so before praising her like a god acknowledge the fact she clearly messed up somewhere in the line.


I could make some witty joke here, most likely a 'u mad?', but honestly, at this point, that's beneath me. You're still insisting the only reason I like her work is that I worship her like a god, or I'm a brown-noser. I mean, those insults don't even make any sense. If you're going to resort to idiotic insults, I wouldn't be surprised if more people in the future wrote you off as a moron. I already did, considering that you haven't come back with any decent counterpoint, you've stuck to insisting 'she could've done a better job explaining things hurr da durr da derp'. Which, is not a valid criticism. It's an opinion. She wrote the book how she thought it should be written, not according to buttstrated children.

Just because i am not saying what you want to hear doesn't make my counter points "poorly constructed". unless you have an extreme issue in understand the simple thing i am expressing.

I'm not looking for anything I want to hear from you. I'd just like some sort of legitimate criticism of her work and not whining.

What? So the mystery in why ONI has the funds to do everything despite the fact the UEG economy is shattered is amazing to you?

What the hell does this even mean? How is this even a rebuttal to anything I've said? Sense, you don't make it.

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chubbz

Grey made valid points on the Glasslands's inconsistencies, etc.

Also, in fact, this book received poor rating because of traviss's poor writing skills and it sounded that she didn't use so much facts from Halo universe.

Look at her star wars novels, it received a lot criticism. It's not surprising that Halo Glasslands received similar results.

I even have read this book personally and I can say, it is horrible book.


No, he hasn't. He's been complaining that Traviss didn't hold his hand and tell him everything she could.

I've probably read all of her Star Wars novels, considering I've read a solid 40-50% of the Expanded Universe. New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force, Fate of the Jedi, Dark Nest trilogy, etc. Please inform me as to which novels of hers have been criticized, so I can go back and look them up. Don't worry, I'll wait.

As far as poor writing skills go, I highly doubt that Lucasarts OR Microsoft would allow her anywhere near a book if she had subpar writing skills, or has been critically lambasted as much as you and Grey say she has been.



Are you mental? I have stated exactly what i mean several times, if i thought she was a flat-out horrible writer i would say so. Stop making up interpretations for my extremely clear statements.


You aren't that bright seeing how you are failing to understand what i am telling you. Then again this confirms i am insane since i keep telling you the same think expecting a different response.

I just now insisted that. you have been insisting the entire time that i hate her when i have clearly stated my issue with the novel. I don't have a "decent counter-point" because i don't need to change anything i have been saying. You are clearly having issues understanding my simple reason for disliking the book. And you can't call me a "moron" if i have said the same thing to you several times and you are twisting the words up.

I am not "Whining" and how is "Should could better explain some concepts" not constructive criticism? I honestly think you are trying to troll right now or you are a retarded child.
In your eyes any bit of "constructive criticism" is nothing more than an opinion if somebody isn't flat out worshiping the novel. You are overplaying the "Everything is subjective" motif.



you might as well say that Halo:CE was poorly done because it didn't explain more of the story. That mystery is what made that game amazing, and it's the same reason why Glasslands was a very good novel.


In which i said

"What? So the mystery in why ONI has the funds to do everything despite the fact the UEG economy is shattered is amazing to you?"


If you can't even remember what you said no wonder you can't understand something simple.



I have been "complaining"? Wolverfrog and i don't get along but i am sure if i Linked him to this thread he would tell you that i am not "complaining". I have avoided the mindless hate with glasslands and gave a clear and simple reason on why i didn't like the novel. Which is call constructive criticism.


You do understand That Lucas removed her from writing more novels right (correct me if i am wrong). And Microsoft does not care about halo They only care about money, do you really think they would give a damn if it made a million bucks?


you have no idea what has been said nor the simple concept of business.

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No, he hasn't. He's been complaining that Traviss didn't hold his hand and tell him everything she could.

I've probably read all of her Star Wars novels, considering I've read a solid 40-50% of the Expanded Universe. New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force, Fate of the Jedi, Dark Nest trilogy, etc. Please inform me as to which novels of hers have been criticized, so I can go back and look them up. Don't worry, I'll wait.

As far as poor writing skills go, I highly doubt that Lucasarts OR Microsoft would allow her anywhere near a book if she had subpar writing skills, or has been critically lambasted as much as you and Grey say she has been.


Um, he is complaining about those canon inconsistencies and Traviss's poor writing skills. Let's put this way. Traviss didn't really understand Eric Nylund's characters from GoO. She radically changed the environment of the book to "Let's Crucify Halsey" because that's what it is about.

I remember that specific novels that changed the culture of Mandalorians so drastically, every hardcore Star Wars fan were outraged and even Lucasarts was outraged as well, decided to remove Traviss from writing more star wars books. Microsoft doesn't care because they want money.

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My biggest problem is Mendez having issues with the SPARTAN projects. I mean really? From everything we knew prior, even from just reading the actions of Mendez, he is incredibally proud in the SPARTANs and the fact that he trained them.

  • 12.25.2011 7:27 PM PDT


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My biggest problem is Mendez having issues with the SPARTAN projects. I mean really? From everything we knew prior, even from just reading the actions of Mendez, he is incredibally proud in the SPARTANs and the fact that he trained them.


Yeah, and he never seemed the type that would debate letting a person starve.

He also, from previous lore, at least respected, if not trust Halsey. But the bits I read had him accusing her of withholding information that would harm the group. Where did that trust go?

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Posted by: grey101


Well since you obviously still don't understand what I'm asking either, I'll go back to what I asked originally, before you turned into a slavering rage-filled beast:

What purpose would it serve for KT to explain the different plot points she hinted at in Glasslands, other than satisfying your own personal interest? I say personal interest because I read the same book you did, and was perfectly fine not knowing any more about Infinity or the S-IVs. I've said before, multiple times, that I like that she didn't detail anything any more because it creates an opportunity to continue novels detailing the post-war Halo universe.

you might as well say that Halo:CE was poorly done because it didn't explain more of the story. That mystery is what made that game amazing, and it's the same reason why Glasslands was a very good novel.

In which i said

"What? So the mystery in why ONI has the funds to do everything despite the fact the UEG economy is shattered is amazing to you?"


If you can't even remember what you said no wonder you can't understand something simple.


It's no wonder I didn't understand that considering you never framed that response directly to my statement before your most recent post. You can't expect people to understand anything when you have the grammar skills of an autistic platypus.


I have been "complaining"? Wolverfrog and i don't get along but i am sure if i Linked him to this thread he would tell you that i am not "complaining". I have avoided the mindless hate with glasslands and gave a clear and simple reason on why i didn't like the novel. Which is call constructive criticism.


Wolverfrog already posted in this thread, in response to someone with the same viewpoint as you. It wasn't friendly, so before you go name-dropping people make sure they would actually back you up first. It'd be pretty embarrassing if he came in here and disagreed with you.


You do understand That Lucas removed her from writing more novels right (correct me if i am wrong). And Microsoft does not care about halo They only care about money, do you really think they would give a damn if it made a million bucks?

She cancelled her planned upcoming books with Lucasarts because the Clone Wars TV show was going to create continuity issues with the Mandalorian, well, lore she had already established.. Lucasarts didn't remove her. And honestly, if I was going to spend the effort into writing whole books then have everything I worked on swept under the rug for a kids TV show, I'd give it up too.

I'd like to quote something that she said that may have a little more insight as to why so many people have a problem with her work:


If I work on something, I can't engage with it as a consumer it's one or the other, or else both suffer. (Like cooking for myself never tastes as good as someone else cooking for me!) As a consumer, I can't work on something or it kills it dead for me. Hence my "I am not a fan of anything I work on" quote. (What I love about an IP is the stuff that relates to the creative process for me, not the end product.) I have to approach projects cold and discover them as a writer. That's partly because I'm a journalist and I need to deconstruct objectively for myself, but mainly because I need to keep that wall between my different modes of engagement.


She basically writes books as an author, not a fan. Of course you and others would have a problem with the way the book was written because she didn't write it as a fan of Halo.

you have no idea what has been said nor the simple concept of business.

Business is not simple, and it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Would you like to try again?

The only reason I still maintain this conversation with you despite your constant childish insults like the one above, is because I enjoying discussing literature. Were this about something else, I'd be ripping you a new one for being an incoherent scatterbrain.


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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The point of showing alternate viewpoints is for it to be a more realistic approach seeing how nothing is one sided. That way the reader can put understand both sides of the fence and pick which one they can understand best. Glasslands didn't do that.


The only reason you are saying you "understand now" is because i went through the trouble of pointing it out. If you actually fully read my post before replying you would see that i have been repeating the exact same thing.


It wouldn't be "embarrassing" seeing how this is an internet forum and it is well established we don't get along. It would actually be expected, you clearly don't know either of us.


Karen Also states that she is a reporter not a writer and that she likes re-building people from the ground up.


Business is extremely simple, seeing how the entire point is to make alot of money with little effort. It is how you go about that which makes it complicated. And It has something to do with the discussion because you claimed "microsoft wouldn't let her near halo if she wouldn't do well with it". Which is when i said they don't care long as they make money.

If you don't even remember what you are typing how do you expect to carry this conversation on?

  • 12.26.2011 4:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Karen Also states that she is a reporter not a writer and that she likes re-building people from the ground up.


Or as my dad, a die-hard Star Wars fan says, -blam!- up the characters.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
Karen Also states that she is a reporter not a writer and that she likes re-building people from the ground up.


Or as my dad, a die-hard Star Wars fan says, -blam!- up the characters.


If i remember correctly she "quit" due to the massive backlash she was getting for the changes she made, thus she got out before she was fired. and aren't her novels declared non canon?

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Posted by: grey101
Karen Also states that she is a reporter not a writer and that she likes re-building people from the ground up.


Or as my dad, a die-hard Star Wars fan says, -blam!- up the characters.


If i remember correctly she "quit" due to the massive backlash she was getting for the changes she made, thus she got out before she was fired. and aren't her novels declared non canon?


Correct, at least, plot revolving about Mandalorians were rendered as non-canon so far what I have heard.

Traviss writing in Star Wars proved it is bad idea, I don't know why Halo franchise even allowed her to write Glasslands that is now considered an abomination just like Reach.

343i are really trying to shoot their own foot.

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  • 12.26.2011 4:51 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101


Um the point of a novel is to explain, not introduce everything in one novel then spend two novels explaining the first.




I trust you highly qualified to define the purpose of novels in such absolute terms. I was under the mistaken impression that the point of a novel was determined by the author's intent...

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Posted by: grey101


Um the point of a novel is to explain


Ignorance.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: grey101


Um the point of a novel is to explain


Ignorance.


Explaining and establishing a story are the reasons novels are made. If i am wrong i am wrong, but i always assumed that's what their purpose was.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: grey101


Um the point of a novel is to explain


Ignorance.


How is it ignorance?

If I read the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I expect to receive and explanation about the One Ring.

If I read the Eregon books, I expect to get an explanation about why Eregon and Saphira are so important.

  • 12.26.2011 5:11 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: grey101


Um the point of a novel is to explain


Ignorance.


How is it ignorance?

If I read the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I expect to receive and explanation about the One Ring.

If I read the Eregon books, I expect to get an explanation about why Eregon and Saphira are so important.


Why? You do not dictate what the author writes anymore than you command their thoughts. What they write is their prerogative, and to say you're not satisfied with an explanation for something of their own creation is absurd.

You do not read a novel for an explanation. You read it for what it is; a novel.

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