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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.

Indeed.

  • 12.23.2011 12:41 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.

Indeed.


A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.

Indeed.


A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.

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If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.

Indeed.


A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.


What? How did you calculate defensive yields? as far, I know there is no calculated defense yields based on any information. Hell, there is not much information about defensive side of Forerunners. We know that Forerunner's armor is made of Adamantium, similar material used in Halo rings. Only way to destory Forerunner ships is you need high level Gt to mid level of Tt of TNT firepower to get through their defenses.

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Two things I'm assuming it will have based purely on things the UNSC were already prioritizing before the war ended and simple logistics of the space battle in the Halo universe.


One, I'm assuming they will have some form of shields. Either Forerunner or Covenant inspired, or hell hopefully the human usual which is a new better reimagined version.

Secondly; faster, more efficient and accurate Slipspace drives.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.

Indeed.


A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.


What? How did you calculate defensive yields? as far, I know there is no calculated defense yields based on any information. Hell, there is not much information about defensive side of Forerunners. We know that Forerunner's armor is made of Adamantium, similar material used in Halo rings. Only way to destory Forerunner ships is you need high level Gt to mid level of Tt of TNT firepower to get through their defenses.


A piece of a Halo ring scraped against a Forerunner Fortress and completely wrecked the Fortress. That... doesn't bode well for Forerunner vessel defensive ability (against projectiles).

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For some reason I always had in mind an unarmed experimental ship.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.
[/quote]
Indeed.[/quote]

A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.[/quote]
Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.


What? How did you calculate defensive yields? as far, I know there is no calculated defense yields based on any information. Hell, there is not much information about defensive side of Forerunners. We know that Forerunner's armor is made of Adamantium, similar material used in Halo rings. Only way to destory Forerunner ships is you need high level Gt to mid level of Tt of TNT firepower to get through their defenses.


A piece of a Halo ring scraped against a Forerunner Fortress and completely wrecked the Fortress. That... doesn't bode well for Forerunner vessel defensive ability (against projectiles).



Um, you do understand how large those rings are right? not to mention the speed they were traveling would have something to do with it along with said ship already being assaulted.

That example doesn't mean -blam!-

  • 12.24.2011 3:51 PM PDT

I think the Infinity will be destroyed at some point (logically after the mid-point, or near the end) when the plot gets really heated. Meaning that it'll be destroyed by something even more powerful than it is to show us what we'll be dealing with for the rest of the trilogy.

  • 12.24.2011 4:11 PM PDT

the fact the Fortress got junked is the exact reason I am always telling people to quit this whole 'yield this' and 'yield that' rubbish, the Installations were massive, hell Installation 04 is what 10,000KM in diameter? being hit by a chunk of something that large isn't like being shot by an assault rifle or something, momentum is a very very powerful thing, hell possibly even one of the supreme forces and it isn't easily counter-acted. look how hard it is in the present day to stop a projectile weighing a matter of grams travelling at twice the speed of sound. biggest problem with science fiction and the fans is complete blind misunderstanding of the forces at work in the stories, you can't just sit around and idly throw around gigatons of energy like its 'nothing'.

find it out right hilarious that so many fans (mainly those who are Star Wars fans as well!) point out that somehow a science fiction vessel can survive un-scathed being hit by something with potentially thousands of times its own mass, just because it has 'defensive technologies'...seriously? how about you put on some Dragon Skin (an actual bullet proof vest) and I hit you with an Elephant, lets see how much it helps...?

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the fact the Fortress got junked is the exact reason I am always telling people to quit this whole 'yield this' and 'yield that' rubbish, the Installations were massive, hell Installation 04 is what 10,000KM in diameter? being hit by a chunk of something that large isn't like being shot by an assault rifle or something, momentum is a very very powerful thing, hell possibly even one of the supreme forces and it isn't easily counter-acted. look how hard it is in the present day to stop a projectile weighing a matter of grams travelling at twice the speed of sound. biggest problem with science fiction and the fans is complete blind misunderstanding of the forces at work in the stories, you can't just sit around and idly throw around gigatons of energy like its 'nothing'.

find it out right hilarious that so many fans (mainly those who are Star Wars fans as well!) point out that somehow a science fiction vessel can survive un-scathed being hit by something with potentially thousands of times its own mass, just because it has 'defensive technologies'...seriously? how about you put on some Dragon Skin (an actual bullet proof vest) and I hit you with an Elephant, lets see how much it helps...?


Not sure about which Star Wars case you are talking about, I mainly talk purely weapons vs weapon.

Though, a prime example is in Star Trek Nemesis. One of the Mogai escorts (the Romulan warbirds in the movie) gets destroyed/wing sheathed off by disruptor fire. It flies over, and smashes against the Enterprise. I forget it if impacts shields only, but the strike regardless I believe either killed that section of shields entirely, or did a chunk of damage anyway.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.
[/quote]
Indeed.[/quote]

A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.


What? How did you calculate defensive yields? as far, I know there is no calculated defense yields based on any information. Hell, there is not much information about defensive side of Forerunners. We know that Forerunner's armor is made of Adamantium, similar material used in Halo rings. Only way to destory Forerunner ships is you need high level Gt to mid level of Tt of TNT firepower to get through their defenses.


A piece of a Halo ring scraped against a Forerunner Fortress and completely wrecked the Fortress. That... doesn't bode well for Forerunner vessel defensive ability (against projectiles).


That's not how we calculate defense yields, bub. That mass is massively larger than the ship and you forgot about momentum that plays big role.

Whoever calculated on defense yield based on this situation is moron or whatever. If it is from Factpile.com, then I'll straighten them out.

  • 12.25.2011 4:08 PM PDT

How well will the Infinity do against a Covenant capital ship?

Surprisingly well, I say. It would be pointless to hype up UNSC ship if it's not capable.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.
[/quote]
Indeed.[/quote]

A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.


What? How did you calculate defensive yields? as far, I know there is no calculated defense yields based on any information. Hell, there is not much information about defensive side of Forerunners. We know that Forerunner's armor is made of Adamantium, similar material used in Halo rings. Only way to destory Forerunner ships is you need high level Gt to mid level of Tt of TNT firepower to get through their defenses.


A piece of a Halo ring scraped against a Forerunner Fortress and completely wrecked the Fortress. That... doesn't bode well for Forerunner vessel defensive ability (against projectiles).


That's not how we calculate defense yields, bub. That mass is massively larger than the ship and you forgot about momentum that plays big role.

Whoever calculated on defense yield based on this situation is moron or whatever. If it is from Factpile.com, then I'll straighten them out.



Not from Factpile, unless I missed it in the 46 or so pages of FR vs GE. If so, then I'LL staighten them out. I mean, simply using the kinetic energy formula would show how powerful a multi-kilometer chunck of ultra-dense metal moving at a high speed really is. I mean, the chunk that blew installation 04 apart crossed the 10,000km gap in less than 10 seconds, meaning faster than 1,000 kilometers per second. So if we give this even a very low estimate of a mass of 30,000,000 kilograms*For the piece that hit the fortesss):
0.5 x 30,000,000 x 1,000,000^2
15,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules which is about
3,600,000,000 tons which is
3.6 Gigatons

This is with a TINY estimate of the weight of the piece.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

If it were, all Forerunner ships are Mary Sues by that logic.
[/quote]
Indeed.[/quote]

A Forerunner Fortress is destroyed in Cryptum, they're not perfect. They may be perfect to the standards of the UNSC--as would Infinity, I suppose, assuming its on Forerunner levels--but they aren't perfect to the Forerunners' own standards, or any race on a similarly advanced technological level.

Perfection is subjective to the observing party.

Right, forgot that Forerunner ships may be really powerful with scary yields, but their defensive ability is crap.


What? How did you calculate defensive yields? as far, I know there is no calculated defense yields based on any information. Hell, there is not much information about defensive side of Forerunners. We know that Forerunner's armor is made of Adamantium, similar material used in Halo rings. Only way to destory Forerunner ships is you need high level Gt to mid level of Tt of TNT firepower to get through their defenses.


A piece of a Halo ring scraped against a Forerunner Fortress and completely wrecked the Fortress. That... doesn't bode well for Forerunner vessel defensive ability (against projectiles).


That's not how we calculate defense yields, bub. That mass is massively larger than the ship and you forgot about momentum that plays big role.

Whoever calculated on defense yield based on this situation is moron or whatever. If it is from Factpile.com, then I'll straighten them out.


Guy wasn't from Factpile.com, but Spacebattles.com. Topic was one of the many Forerunners vs Star Trek (or was it Star Wars...) threads.

Also, after reading the Didact's ship was destroyed by other Forerunner ships opening fire with [destructor beams]. Now all we need is size of those ships and we can scale up from the shown [picket cruiser] example.

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I think the Infinity will be destroyed at some point (logically after the mid-point, or near the end) when the plot gets really heated. Meaning that it'll be destroyed by something even more powerful than it is to show us what we'll be dealing with for the rest of the trilogy.


I believe it will be silent for the first bit of the game.. like you're alone.. a few skirmishes here and there. And then, boom, the infinity shows up blazing in a wave of fire and heat. The master cheif reconizes it as UNSC and goes to check it out but finds it's abandoned.. and there's a new enemy inside.

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Not from Factpile, unless I missed it in the 46 or so pages of FR vs GE. If so, then I'LL staighten them out. I mean, simply using the kinetic energy formula would show how powerful a multi-kilometer chunck of ultra-dense metal moving at a high speed really is. I mean, the chunk that blew installation 04 apart crossed the 10,000km gap in less than 10 seconds, meaning faster than 1,000 kilometers per second. So if we give this even a very low estimate of a mass of 30,000,000 kilograms*For the piece that hit the fortesss):
0.5 x 30,000,000 x 1,000,000^2
15,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules which is about
3,600,000,000 tons which is
3.6 Gigatons

This is with a TINY estimate of the weight of the piece.

Despite seeming rather low it actually seems to fit well with the rest of the universe, in my opinion. IIRC, covenant firepower was retconned from Gts to Mts. Having defense abilities in the Gt range still allows the Forerunners to stand head and shoulders above everything else without being to crazy.

It does seem low compared to their offensive power allegedly being in the Tts but we may have overestimated. The source for the Tts of power comes from the final battle at the capital. Maybe the Fortress outputs several Tts of firepower as a whole but each individual gun only outputs a few Gts. Because remember, it was a whole fortress and accompanying ships firing at a single Halo and not a single weapon.

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Not from Factpile, unless I missed it in the 46 or so pages of FR vs GE. If so, then I'LL staighten them out. I mean, simply using the kinetic energy formula would show how powerful a multi-kilometer chunck of ultra-dense metal moving at a high speed really is. I mean, the chunk that blew installation 04 apart crossed the 10,000km gap in less than 10 seconds, meaning faster than 1,000 kilometers per second. So if we give this even a very low estimate of a mass of 30,000,000 kilograms*For the piece that hit the fortesss):
0.5 x 30,000,000 x 1,000,000^2
15,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules which is about
3,600,000,000 tons which is
3.6 Gigatons

This is with a TINY estimate of the weight of the piece.

Despite seeming rather low it actually seems to fit well with the rest of the universe, in my opinion. IIRC, covenant firepower was retconned from Gts to Mts. Having defense abilities in the Gt range still allows the Forerunners to stand head and shoulders above everything else without being to crazy.

It does seem low compared to their offensive power allegedly being in the Tts but we may have overestimated. The source for the Tts of power comes from the final battle at the capital. Maybe the Fortress outputs several Tts of firepower as a whole but each individual gun only outputs a few Gts. Because remember, it was a whole fortress and accompanying ships firing at a single Halo and not a single weapon.

The teraton event was calculated by the Fortresses' picket cruisers (small enough that one could land in a football field) opening fire on the ring to destroy it like it was wrecked in Halo CE.

This is a picket cruiser.
Scaling up from that makes Fortresses [REDACTED]-huge death machines.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 3:53 PM PST]

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Not from Factpile, unless I missed it in the 46 or so pages of FR vs GE. If so, then I'LL staighten them out. I mean, simply using the kinetic energy formula would show how powerful a multi-kilometer chunck of ultra-dense metal moving at a high speed really is. I mean, the chunk that blew installation 04 apart crossed the 10,000km gap in less than 10 seconds, meaning faster than 1,000 kilometers per second. So if we give this even a very low estimate of a mass of 30,000,000 kilograms*For the piece that hit the fortesss):
0.5 x 30,000,000 x 1,000,000^2
15,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules which is about
3,600,000,000 tons which is
3.6 Gigatons

This is with a TINY estimate of the weight of the piece.

Despite seeming rather low it actually seems to fit well with the rest of the universe, in my opinion. IIRC, covenant firepower was retconned from Gts to Mts. Having defense abilities in the Gt range still allows the Forerunners to stand head and shoulders above everything else without being to crazy.

It does seem low compared to their offensive power allegedly being in the Tts but we may have overestimated. The source for the Tts of power comes from the final battle at the capital. Maybe the Fortress outputs several Tts of firepower as a whole but each individual gun only outputs a few Gts. Because remember, it was a whole fortress and accompanying ships firing at a single Halo and not a single weapon.

The teraton event was calculated by the Fortresses' picket cruisers (small enough that one could land in a football field) opening fire on the ring to destroy it like it was wrecked in Halo CE.

This is a picket cruiser.
Scaling up from that makes Fortresses [REDACTED]-huge death machines.

There were Fortress class vessels firing upon the Halos as well. Not just picket cruisers. In addition there was a massive amount of picket cruisers firing at the Halo, well over a few thousand. You are also assuming the fact that firepower scales linearly. You are assuming quite a bit.

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Posted by: MAC Blast

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Not from Factpile, unless I missed it in the 46 or so pages of FR vs GE. If so, then I'LL staighten them out. I mean, simply using the kinetic energy formula would show how powerful a multi-kilometer chunck of ultra-dense metal moving at a high speed really is. I mean, the chunk that blew installation 04 apart crossed the 10,000km gap in less than 10 seconds, meaning faster than 1,000 kilometers per second. So if we give this even a very low estimate of a mass of 30,000,000 kilograms*For the piece that hit the fortesss):
0.5 x 30,000,000 x 1,000,000^2
15,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules which is about
3,600,000,000 tons which is
3.6 Gigatons

This is with a TINY estimate of the weight of the piece.

Despite seeming rather low it actually seems to fit well with the rest of the universe, in my opinion. IIRC, covenant firepower was retconned from Gts to Mts. Having defense abilities in the Gt range still allows the Forerunners to stand head and shoulders above everything else without being to crazy.

It does seem low compared to their offensive power allegedly being in the Tts but we may have overestimated. The source for the Tts of power comes from the final battle at the capital. Maybe the Fortress outputs several Tts of firepower as a whole but each individual gun only outputs a few Gts. Because remember, it was a whole fortress and accompanying ships firing at a single Halo and not a single weapon.

The teraton event was calculated by the Fortresses' picket cruisers (small enough that one could land in a football field) opening fire on the ring to destroy it like it was wrecked in Halo CE.

This is a picket cruiser.
Scaling up from that makes Fortresses [REDACTED]-huge death machines.

There were Fortress class vessels firing upon the Halos as well. Not just picket cruisers. In addition there was a massive amount of picket cruisers firing at the Halo, well over a few thousand. You are also assuming the fact that firepower scales linearly. You are assuming quite a bit.

Halo Cryptum page 314
"The first fortress's fighters moved in, surrounding one of the primed Halos and engaging it's sentinels. Simultaneously, four cruisers sent white-hot beams to points around the targeted installation. Sentinels intercepted some of those beams, partially deflecting them but also absorbing and sacrificing. Other beams struck home, carving canyon-like gouges across the mottled inner surface and blowing blue-white plumes of debris and plasma from the edges."
Cue destruction as shown in Halo CE.

Four cruisers. Not thousands. And this time the Fortress certainly didn't fire it's weapons.

Of course, we get pretty loopy calcs from the Sentinels as well. Being able to deflect capship weaponry (albeit for a very limited time and resulting in destruction for the Sentinel) and engage spacefighters in combat...

Man, the Sentinels on 04/05 were nerfed to hell.

[Edited on 12.27.2011 2:45 PM PST]

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I'd say it probably has shields, and I saw a pic of it on Halopedia, it looked pretty big. I'd say it's gonna be pretty badass.

  • 12.27.2011 2:46 PM PDT

It'll be an indomitable force, so long as Forerunner technology bends to human will.

I don't think that will last forever, though. It'd be too much of a trump card for humanity, putting them on an uneven plane against all the Covenant races and such.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
It'll be an indomitable force, so long as Forerunner technology bends to human will.

I don't think that will last forever, though. It'd be too much of a trump card for humanity, putting them on an uneven plane against all the Covenant races and such.

You mean, like how the Covenant was to Humanity during the Human-Covenant War?

I say it's poetic justice.

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Posted by: Ignited Prophecy
Full contingent of Spartan IV's, forerunner technology, not to mention the horugok that had upgrading this thing. I'm betting it has 2 triple Mac guns instead of the 1 the Autumn had. Remember the Autumn took out that Covenant superubercarrier above reach on it's own.

If Andrew Del Rio is competent and Rear Admiral Saeed Shafiq is understanding we should be good to go.



Lol mac cannons on this bastard? I don't think so. It's gonna have badass Forerunner guns that can do a hell of a lot better then that!

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
It'll be an indomitable force, so long as Forerunner technology bends to human will.

I don't think that will last forever, though. It'd be too much of a trump card for humanity, putting them on an uneven plane against all the Covenant races and such.

You mean, like how the Covenant was to Humanity during the Human-Covenant War?

I say it's poetic justice.


Perhaps the UNSC will initiate a genocide against the Covenant then we will get to play as covie Master Chief to stop the evil UNSC!

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