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You don't really need to read the books to know some of this, but it helps a lot if you did; Cortana is a very special AI, mapped from the mind of the doctor whos name I'm going to spell wrong; Dr. Hasley, and fitted with the very best software that ONI had to offer. Based on that, do you think that she has gone rampant at all, has gone rampant and is being manipulated or is working with Gravemind, possibly that Gravemind pushed her into rampancy, maybe even infecting her somehow, or taking the opportunity to attack her somehow in her weakened psychological state, if she has indeed gone rampant.

As a sidenote, did you notice in the trailer how the spartan was ignoring Cortana? I almost get the feeling that we were seing the conclusion (expecially with the spartan's battered armor) to a long and complex set of events.

  • 05.09.2006 8:08 PM PDT

Gravemind is hurting and controlling her a lil(listen to when she first speaks you can hear graveming)

  • 05.09.2006 8:09 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

If you listen closely, at least in the first part of Cortana's little talk, you can hear Gravemind's voice in the background saying the same thing. Creepy as hell. I think they're kind of working together or have linked up in some weird way to stop the Prophets from activating the Ark.

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so what you're suggesting is that Tentacle + USB port = connection? Seriously, how in the world does that work?

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Perhaps Cortana, in her UNSC authority position, made a bargain with the Flood to temporarily allign to fight the common enemy.

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indeed. thank you for bringing up the rampancy topic! I do believe Cortana has gone rampant, judging from Marathon and those AI's

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Posted by: Uberdawg
If you listen closely, at least in the first part of Cortana's little talk, you can hear Gravemind's voice in the background saying the same thing. Creepy as hell. I think they're kind of working together or have linked up in some weird way to stop the Prophets from activating the Ark.
I noticed that when I watched/listened to the trailer. It certainly was creepy.

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Cortana + Halo computer + Covenent ship computer = Rampant

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Posted by: Elce Rolumee
(listen to when she first speaks you can hear graveming)

Who is this Graveming you speak of?

I think she's willingly embraced the dark side and was influenced by gravemind.

  • 05.09.2006 8:23 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

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Posted by: Elce Rolumee
(listen to when she first speaks you can hear graveming)

Who is this Graveming you speak of?

I think she's willingly embraced the dark side and was influenced by gravemind.


LOL! Sounded like Star Wars, there...

Seriously, though, I think that's definently a possibility. However, she seems to be friendly towards the Chief... or maybe not? We don't really have proof either way from the trailer, I don't think. Other than that she said she's the Chief's sword and shield, which sounds positive towards him... heck, I'm not sure man.

Cortana says, "I know you. Your past. Your future."

She knows his past, alright, since she hacked into the Spartan files back in Fall of Reach and read about his past and training and all that stuff. But how does she know his future?

Perhaps her new best friend (Gravemind) is much, much deeper than he gives the appearance of being....

  • 05.09.2006 8:27 PM PDT
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no i think that maybe cortana has died and that gravmind is taking advantage of her lifeless cpu, and when she says "i have defied gods and demons" that isnt somthing cortana would say, she thinks logically not religously, so i think shes being used.

  • 05.09.2006 8:28 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

Posted by: afw30000
no i think that maybe cortana has died and that gravmind is taking advantage of her lifeless cpu, and when she says "i have defied gods and demons" that isnt somthing cortana would say, she thinks logically not religously, so i think shes being used.


Whoa! I hadn't even thought of that! That's extremely likely, if you ask me... Hmmmmm. Brilliant, I proclaim it!

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I think Cortana has finally gone rampant, or is on the verge.

If you've read the books, you know that Smart AIs usuay go rampant after.. 7 years of life? Cortana is getting pretty close to that lifespan. Plus she's accumulated more knowledge then any other AI in the shortest amount of time ever: She interfaced with the first Halo's computer core and now by my guess she knows ALOT more about the Forerunner then we might think. Its only safe to say that she got some information about the Forerunner and the Arc from Gravemind.

Though it could be possible for Gravemind and Cortana to link up. If you look in the last scene of Halo 2, Cortana puts up her hand to stop Gravemind from touching her and it stops. That makes me think, perhaps Gravemind is capable of interfacing with covenant technology and is somehow part of the network on High Charity as is Cortana.

Well I'm really excited by this Trailer. Wow....

  • 05.09.2006 8:34 PM PDT
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no after about 7 years they think themselfs to death

  • 05.09.2006 8:36 PM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

Nope, I'm gonna have to go with AFW here and say that the C-dawg's (Cortana) been straight up infected by the G-dizzle-fo-shizzle (Gravemind). That's why she's talking mystically, that's why you can just barely hear his voice in the background, and that's why she sounds... lifeless.

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It didn't sound like Jen Taylor's voice. It definitely seems like Cortana has wigged out. However, we have no evidence that the Flood can interface with technology, so I don't buy that the Gravemind has taken control of her. No one controls Cortana. Each novel made that very clear.

I didn't care for the music.

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Posted by: Blue Rexx
It didn't sound like Jen Taylor's voice. It definitely seems like Cortana has wigged out. However, we have no evidence that the Flood can interface with technology, so I don't buy that the Gravemind has taken control of her. No one controls Cortana. Each novel made that very clear.

I didn't care for the music.


The only problem with Flood not being able to interface with technology statement is the fact that Gravemind did. He teleported Chief and the Arbiter (sp?), remember? He was there with no control terminal and just teleported them on a whim.

I think she's gone rampant, personally. Here's hoping this doesn't culminate in her "fighting it" and ending the game with Chief being locked out of a terminal and ejected by a "conflicted" Cortana who knows her death is the only way, while she blows up with a ship.

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  • 05.09.2006 9:24 PM PDT
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the flood fly pelicans. isnt that interfacing?

on the alien city level at the end when the flood drop down from pelicans.

If you look in the crashhed pelican at the begining it has flood goo all over the inside of the cockpit. The goo Flew

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AI's go Rampant after 7 years of life, roughly. It all depends on how much knowledge they accumulate. Whoever stated that earlier is correct. This has been explained in the books, in the Marathon games, and in the I Love Bees storyline. They don't just die.

It is my opinion that Cortana began going rampant as early as Halo 1, when she was first introduced into the Halo control center. She hasn't been the same since then, but at this point she has experienced four major things.


* 1. She was already arguably the most powerful human AI.
* 2. She got to get into a Halo control center.
* 3. She was put into the Holy City's computer systems.
* 4. She has, at the very least, had a long conversation with the Gravemind, whose existance dates back to the time of the forerunners.


That's a wealth of knowledge, ladies and gentlemen. Whether the gravemind is influencing her in some way... There is no way to tell. But she is most definitely rampant. I never played the Marathon games, but if I'm not mistaken Durandal (the rampant AI in that series) was eventually powerful enough to develop time travel of a sort. Past? Future? Quite possibly all the same to her, and with some of the things that 343 Guilty Spark said, perhaps they are factually the same, and mankind is forced to repeat the same exact existance over and over - anyone like Wheel of Time?

The part of all of this that sends chills up my spine is the fact that, even through her rampancy, the bond between her and the Chief is still there, and perhaps stronger than ever. In the depths of insanity, with her spouting religious gibberish, she is still entirely loyal to him. Let's hope it stays that way.

  • 05.09.2006 9:41 PM PDT
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^ And doesn't she start exhibiting signs after her upload near the end of H2?

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call it rampancy if you will, but i think that Cortana has become something wholely different from what she once was and that it isn't really gravemind in the begining but her adjusting to her new state of being. and going by the first line she speaks i think that the "gods" are either the forrunners or the caretakers left behind, and that the "demons" refers to the flood most notebly gravemind. any how just a thought.

  • 05.09.2006 10:57 PM PDT