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Subject: Bloom

Beowolf736

What is the problem with bloom? It's better in my opinion then getting shot three times by the br i wish people would stop complaining.

  • 12.22.2011 4:43 PM PDT

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  • 12.22.2011 4:45 PM PDT

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  • 12.22.2011 4:45 PM PDT

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Go suck a donkey dick. I'm tired of explaining why Bloom is inherently bad for gameplay.

  • 12.22.2011 4:50 PM PDT

no problem with bloom, idk why everyone is complaining, be patient and pace you shots and you will be fine and a better halo player

  • 12.22.2011 5:10 PM PDT


Posted by: MarkFanous
no problem with bloom, idk why everyone is complaining, be patient and pace you shots and you will be fine and a better halo player


says the kid with a 1.1 kd with the DMR.

In all honesty, theres nothing wrong with bloom in theory. However, in the application of this game, bloom was made too large- had it been reduced slightly like in the updated playlists, i dont think there would have been quite as much backlash.

  • 12.22.2011 5:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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I seriously hope OP is joking around.

  • 12.22.2011 5:45 PM PDT

Beowolf736

i wish all the complaining about bloom would just end

  • 12.23.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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People think that the fact that they can now see their reuticle indicate the inaccuracy of their weapon means that bloom is a new feature.

It is not.

If you were experienced with modding the original Halo for PC, like I am, you would understand that inaccuracy when you fire your weapon repeatedly has been in every Halo game. Every weapon has set values for Maximum Spread and related variables.

This is, of course, realistic. Anyone with a layman's interpretation of physics understands, the more you fire a gun, the less accurate your shots become. There isn't a way around this. You have to pace your shots to increase your accuracy, hence the tradeoff between firing slowly at range and firing like you just injected your trigger finger with adrenaline and caffine up close.

So Bungie decides to implement a nice visual feature that allows you to visibly see the spread of your shots, and everyone assumes that because they've never seen it before, it's now a new feature. Thus begins the flame war.

The idea of bloom, aside from introducing realism to the firearms, was to reduce the skill gap between skilled players (people who would get headshots more often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and unskilled players (people who would get headshots less often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and thus make the game more competitive and enjoyable for all. Clearly, like every other decision every game developer with a fan base has ever made, it didn't go over as planned, and people are angry over a feature that has always existed and isn't going to be removed or adjusted.

[Edited on 12.23.2011 9:59 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 9:58 AM PDT

@DeltaFiveZero: Well said.

  • 12.23.2011 10:06 AM PDT
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It's random. That and bloom works if it is implemented well.

Unfortunately it doesn't.

Also, on a side note, the DMR works just as bad without bloom as it wasn't built to work with no bloom.

  • 12.23.2011 10:12 AM PDT


Posted by: DeltaFiveZero
People think that the fact that they can now see their reuticle indicate the inaccuracy of their weapon means that bloom is a new feature.

It is not.

If you were experienced with modding the original Halo for PC, like I am, you would understand that inaccuracy when you fire your weapon repeatedly has been in every Halo game. Every weapon has set values for Maximum Spread and related variables.

This is, of course, realistic. Anyone with a layman's interpretation of physics understands, the more you fire a gun, the less accurate your shots become. There isn't a way around this. You have to pace your shots to increase your accuracy, hence the tradeoff between firing slowly at range and firing like you just injected your trigger finger with adrenaline and caffine up close.

So Bungie decides to implement a nice visual feature that allows you to visibly see the spread of your shots, and everyone assumes that because they've never seen it before, it's now a new feature. Thus begins the flame war.

The idea of bloom, aside from introducing realism to the firearms, was to reduce the skill gap between skilled players (people who would get headshots more often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and unskilled players (people who would get headshots less often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and thus make the game more competitive and enjoyable for all. Clearly, like every other decision every game developer with a fan base has ever made, it didn't go over as planned, and people are angry over a feature that has always existed and isn't going to be removed or adjusted.
There is quite a lot wrong with this post.

1) Excluding the CE pistol, no precision weapon in Halo has ever had bloom.

2) The reduced aim assist in CE meant that the bloom in CE didn't really matter. In Reach, the aim assist is huge.

3) This is a game. I don't care about realism.

4) Your gun gets no less accurate as you fire. Your gun will not stop firing in a straight line. If the reticule was moved up as you fired i.e. recoil, that would be acceptable. Bloom, game induced randomness, is not.

  • 12.23.2011 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
Nope. SouthPole isn't a person. He's the avatar of the force of tryhards everywhere. He stalks the web looking for retards to set straight. He can not be stopped by mere bans or thread locks for he shall rise anew.

There has never been bloom on precision weapons before. It was only on the CE pistol when fired fully automatic.

We are playing as super human soldiers with an unimaginable amount of experience with firearms; speaking of which, the guns they are using are five hundred years ahead of the guns we have today. If anything, not being able to fire a weapon without bloom is unrealistic.

  • 12.23.2011 10:18 AM PDT

Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD

  • 12.23.2011 10:20 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

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Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Pants go on your legs, not head.

  • 12.23.2011 10:22 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Pants go on your legs, not head.
This

  • 12.23.2011 10:24 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Pants go on your legs, not head.


Seriously, go into a private game of ZB, and spam your DMR into something. The shots will spread out (admittedly less than in normal bloom, but they do)

  • 12.23.2011 10:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeltaFiveZero
People think that the fact that they can now see their reuticle indicate the inaccuracy of their weapon means that bloom is a new feature.

It is not.

If you were experienced with modding the original Halo for PC, like I am, you would understand that inaccuracy when you fire your weapon repeatedly has been in every Halo game. Every weapon has set values for Maximum Spread and related variables.

This is, of course, realistic. Anyone with a layman's interpretation of physics understands, the more you fire a gun, the less accurate your shots become. There isn't a way around this. You have to pace your shots to increase your accuracy, hence the tradeoff between firing slowly at range and firing like you just injected your trigger finger with adrenaline and caffine up close.

So Bungie decides to implement a nice visual feature that allows you to visibly see the spread of your shots, and everyone assumes that because they've never seen it before, it's now a new feature. Thus begins the flame war.

The idea of bloom, aside from introducing realism to the firearms, was to reduce the skill gap between skilled players (people who would get headshots more often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and unskilled players (people who would get headshots less often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and thus make the game more competitive and enjoyable for all. Clearly, like every other decision every game developer with a fan base has ever made, it didn't go over as planned, and people are angry over a feature that has always existed and isn't going to be removed or adjusted.
There is quite a lot wrong with this post.

1) Excluding the CE pistol, no precision weapon in Halo has ever had bloom.

2) The reduced aim assist in CE meant that the bloom in CE didn't really matter. In Reach, the aim assist is huge.

3) This is a game. I don't care about realism.

4) Your gun gets no less accurate as you fire. Your gun will not stop firing in a straight line. If the reticule was moved up as you fired i.e. recoil, that would be acceptable. Bloom, game induced randomness, is not.


I don't know much about the first claim. What I know is that the Halo engine was designed to account for inaccuracy, and that weapons did have it. I don't know exactly which weapons did or did not; I want to point out there were basically two precision weapons in the original Halo, and one of them fired a .57 fin-stabilized discarding sabot, which I would expect to be pretty accurate.

I don't know much about the second claim, and the third only leads me to make assumptions about your intelligence behind closed doors.

The fourth one is where you are wrong. Yes, the weapon itself will not fire in any other direction, and yes, the regular direction of recoil is up. But as the recoil of the weapon slams against your shoulder, super soldier or not, there's going to be a slight difference in the angle at which you're firing it, which is more pronounced at range, and the impact of this is greater when you're firing faster and giving yourself less time to recover. There's also wind; the simple fact that the bullet is flying through dozens of meters of open air is going to alter it's trajectory ever so slightly.

I don't care how good your reaction time is, I don't care how strong you are, I don't care if you have nerves of steel. The best damn sharpshooter in the world will tell you the faster you fire your gun the less accurate your shots will be. There isn't a way around this phenomenon, it is fact.

  • 12.23.2011 10:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
Nope. SouthPole isn't a person. He's the avatar of the force of tryhards everywhere. He stalks the web looking for retards to set straight. He can not be stopped by mere bans or thread locks for he shall rise anew.


Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Drink lighter fluid. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your -blam!- mouth.

What a surprise, you're -blam!- god awful at this game.

[Edited on 12.23.2011 10:28 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 10:25 AM PDT


Posted by: DeltaFiveZero

Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: DeltaFiveZero
People think that the fact that they can now see their reuticle indicate the inaccuracy of their weapon means that bloom is a new feature.

It is not.

If you were experienced with modding the original Halo for PC, like I am, you would understand that inaccuracy when you fire your weapon repeatedly has been in every Halo game. Every weapon has set values for Maximum Spread and related variables.

This is, of course, realistic. Anyone with a layman's interpretation of physics understands, the more you fire a gun, the less accurate your shots become. There isn't a way around this. You have to pace your shots to increase your accuracy, hence the tradeoff between firing slowly at range and firing like you just injected your trigger finger with adrenaline and caffine up close.

So Bungie decides to implement a nice visual feature that allows you to visibly see the spread of your shots, and everyone assumes that because they've never seen it before, it's now a new feature. Thus begins the flame war.

The idea of bloom, aside from introducing realism to the firearms, was to reduce the skill gap between skilled players (people who would get headshots more often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and unskilled players (people who would get headshots less often if it weren't for Bloom's randomness) and thus make the game more competitive and enjoyable for all. Clearly, like every other decision every game developer with a fan base has ever made, it didn't go over as planned, and people are angry over a feature that has always existed and isn't going to be removed or adjusted.
There is quite a lot wrong with this post.

1) Excluding the CE pistol, no precision weapon in Halo has ever had bloom.

2) The reduced aim assist in CE meant that the bloom in CE didn't really matter. In Reach, the aim assist is huge.

3) This is a game. I don't care about realism.

4) Your gun gets no less accurate as you fire. Your gun will not stop firing in a straight line. If the reticule was moved up as you fired i.e. recoil, that would be acceptable. Bloom, game induced randomness, is not.


I don't know much about the first claim.
I don't know much about the second claim
Considering these two were the only two related to gameplay, I think you should shut your mouth. I couldn't give a -blam!- about realism in a Halo game. Good gameplay beats realism.

  • 12.23.2011 10:37 AM PDT


Posted by: SouthPoIe

Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Drink lighter fluid. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your -blam!- mouth.

What a surprise, you're -blam!- god awful at this game.


lol @ you saying that and you don't even have a linked gamertag.

Besides, I don't even play compeitively, K/D is just a number.

  • 12.23.2011 10:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: chesney

Posted by: SouthPoIe

Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Drink lighter fluid. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your -blam!- mouth.

What a surprise, you're -blam!- god awful at this game.


lol @ you saying that and you don't even have a linked gamertag.

Besides, I don't even play compeitively, K/D is just a number.


If someone is unlinked, best to assume they are better then you. 95% of the time, they are.

And they are right, just because they are better. You're not, so you must have some sort of mental retardation.

TL;DR : We're better, you suck. We're right, you're wrong because of it.

DEAL WITH IT

  • 12.23.2011 10:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
Prolonged exposure to this forum is bad for your health.


Posted by: aBIueBooksheIf
because I like pen­is.

source


Posted by: FaxMeApplejuice

Posted by: chesney

Posted by: SouthPoIe

Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Drink lighter fluid. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your -blam!- mouth.

What a surprise, you're -blam!- god awful at this game.


lol @ you saying that and you don't even have a linked gamertag.

Besides, I don't even play compeitively, K/D is just a number.


If someone is unlinked, best to assume they are better then you. 95% of the time, they are.

And they are right, just because they are better. You're not, so you must have some sort of mental retardation.

TL;DR : We're better, you suck. We're right, you're wrong because of it.

DEAL WITH IT


I believe you meant "ADAPT"

  • 12.23.2011 10:48 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: FaxMeApplejuice

Posted by: chesney

Posted by: SouthPoIe

Posted by: chesney
Funny thing is, I'm sure that bloom is in ZB games, except you can't see it in your reticule xD


Drink lighter fluid. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your -blam!- mouth.

What a surprise, you're -blam!- god awful at this game.


lol @ you saying that and you don't even have a linked gamertag.

Besides, I don't even play compeitively, K/D is just a number.


If someone is unlinked, best to assume they are better then you. 95% of the time, they are.

And they are right, just because they are better. You're not, so you must have some sort of mental retardation.

TL;DR : We're better, you suck. We're right, you're wrong because of it.

DEAL WITH IT


I believe you meant "ADAPT"


And he smacks right in the face!

What a great day to live!

Merry Christmas!

  • 12.23.2011 10:50 AM PDT

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