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Subject: Spartan IVs

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Posted by: grey101
They won't be as strong as 2's or 3's, they aren't aboard Infinity they were just stationed there for a bit.


You have no evidence that SPARTAN-IV won't be strong as SPARTAN-II or IIIs. You forget that fact is that biotech and biomedical technology may have drastically improved, thanks to discovery of Forerunners resources and materials. So it is possible that SPARTAN-IVs are similar as SPARTAN-II, just less restrictive and easier to insert augmentation without causing any mortality. Also MJOLNIR Mark VII is likely armor that SPARTAN-IVS will use it.

Hell, remaining SPARTAN-IIs and IIIS will probably get MJOLNIR Mark VII as well since they are integrated to SPARTAN-IV program. Also I suspect that Mark VII is likely cheaper due to lighter weight and nanotechnology (reducing need of technical people to repair armor.)

In Glasslands, it stated that they WERE stationed at Infinity. I think you have misread that part, :P




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  • 12.23.2011 9:57 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: Poy Poy
I honestly believe the Spartan-IVs to be part propaganda.

*My 2 cents worth.*
Perhaps. But I don't think ONI would pull a bluff that big for the sake of morale.

They might not wear MJOLNIR, unless M 7 somehow tosses augmentations out the window. In which case, it'd just be armor and there probably wouldn't be anything special about the 4s.

  • 12.23.2011 11:53 PM PDT

There should be a program of super-soldiers stronger than both the IIs and IIIs combined, having the potential to put them both out of service, and eventually, threaten them with replacement. THAT would produce an interesting story-telling angle for future Halo games. Blue Team and John-117 meeting their match, their ultimate rivals... I think that would be a very interesting twist. Maybe even an antagonist faction working for ONI to suppress people's civil liberties, and then Blue Team steps in to fight against the corrupt Shadow Government.

  • 12.24.2011 12:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
There should be a program of super-soldiers stronger than both the IIs and IIIs combined, having the potential to put them both out of service, and eventually, threaten them with replacement. THAT would produce an interesting story-telling angle for future Halo games. Blue Team and John-117 meeting their match, their ultimate rivals... I think that would be a very interesting twist. Maybe even an antagonist faction working for ONI to suppress people's civil liberties, and then Blue Team steps in to fight against the corrupt Shadow Government.


It wouldn't work like that since Halo 4 is centered on Master Chief and Cortana only.

  • 12.24.2011 12:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
There should be a program of super-soldiers stronger than both the IIs and IIIs combined, having the potential to put them both out of service, and eventually, threaten them with replacement. THAT would produce an interesting story-telling angle for future Halo games. Blue Team and John-117 meeting their match, their ultimate rivals... I think that would be a very interesting twist. Maybe even an antagonist faction working for ONI to suppress people's civil liberties, and then Blue Team steps in to fight against the corrupt Shadow Government.


It wouldn't work like that since Halo 4 is centered on Master Chief and Cortana only.


So them only, NO OTHER CHARACTERS? AT ALL?

Are you CERTAIN of this?

  • 12.24.2011 3:45 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
There should be a program of super-soldiers stronger than both the IIs and IIIs combined, having the potential to put them both out of service, and eventually, threaten them with replacement. THAT would produce an interesting story-telling angle for future Halo games. Blue Team and John-117 meeting their match, their ultimate rivals... I think that would be a very interesting twist. Maybe even an antagonist faction working for ONI to suppress people's civil liberties, and then Blue Team steps in to fight against the corrupt Shadow Government.


You're forgetting that the spartan II's are trained soldiers almost programmed into loyalty towards UNSC. The Spartan II's don't care about soldiers stronger then them. They want to win the war/fight/conflict. It's results they want even if that means being obsolete.

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Posted by: Poy Poy
I honestly believe the Spartan-IVs to be part propaganda.

*My 2 cents worth.*
Perhaps. But I don't think ONI would pull a bluff that big for the sake of morale.

They might not wear MJOLNIR, unless M 7 somehow tosses augmentations out the window. In which case, it'd just be armor and there probably wouldn't be anything special about the 4s.


I find hiding the S-III programme from public and keeping the death of the S-IIs secret to be quite the bluff, don't you think?

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Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
They won't be as strong as 2's or 3's, they aren't aboard Infinity they were just stationed there for a bit.

Well, that sucks. More like the ORION project I suppose?


That's not such a bad thing, considering the capable fighters it produced e.g, Johnson, the one lone marine who fought his way through over half the Library before Chief arrived.

  • 12.24.2011 7:46 AM PDT

Why are you here?

You know, saying that the Spartan IV's are aboard the Infinity tells me something.

If the Infinity uses secret Forerunner tech and has new features, do you think they could use some of that new tech to make better suits like MJONLIR that maybe even regular marines can wear? Who knows, just speculation. It would be cool to see new era Spartans or Marines with powerful Forerunner battlesuits.

  • 12.24.2011 9:50 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I'm really hoping that the IV's are more like the I's. If they were as powerful as the II's or III's it'd take so much away from them.

  • 12.24.2011 11:12 AM PDT


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Posted by: grey101
They won't be as strong as 2's or 3's, they aren't aboard Infinity they were just stationed there for a bit .

May I ask, how are you so certain that Spartan 4's won't be as strong as 2s and 3s ?
Is there any evidence of it?


Orion used adult volunteers, the issue with that is Mods don't work too well on a fully developed human hence why other projects used kids.

The Spartan II project was the best since it used augmentations and certain ones. not to mention a list of other things.

The Spartan III project was from a less strict gene pool, used injections, and didn't get the same stuff the SIIs got.


The Spartan IV project will most likely use injections since it is going to have a larger class, no gene restrictions, and they will be adults. Thus they won't be as strong. I think ONI is going to put all the money on whatever armor they get.


The Goal of the Assembly is to get the entire populace genetically modified, hence the spartan projects.



Sorry to be a stickler about stuff, but the II's were not necessarily better than the III's, they just had more combat experience. The III's actually had a tougher training program, and their augmentations were just as effective as the II's, they were just induced chemically rather than physically. GoO for reference.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The Genes alone make the SIIs naturally better.

  • 12.24.2011 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
The Genes alone make the SIIs naturally better.


Their genes had to be a perfect match for the augmentations to even have a chance to work, and even so, over half of the candidates for the II program washed out. The III's didn't need such a strict gene pool, but that doesn't make them inferior. Everyone believes the II's to be so much better because they have MJOLNIR. That is one of the things that makes them nearly unstoppable. Not saying the II's aren't better, but they are not better because of genes.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I don't care for the personal politics of which class is better.

I am looking at it at face value.

Strict Genes + Augs= Spartan II

Non Strict Genes + Injections= Spartan III

I Don't even think the SIIIs honestly had a Gene pool at all since Ackerson just coxed children into the program.

  • 12.24.2011 7:55 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
I don't care for the personal politics of which class is better.

I am looking at it at face value.

Strict Genes + Augs= Spartan II

Non Strict Genes + Injections= Spartan III

I Don't even think the SIIIs honestly had a Gene pool at all since Ackerson just coxed children into the program.


Whoever said the III's didn't have a strict gene pool? They were both the best of the best humanity had to offer, and they both had augmentations that did EXACTLY the same thing.

The chemical vs. physical means nothing, just that the III's didn't have to be extensively operated on. In GoO, Kurt notes that many of the chemicals he saw did the same thing the bone grafts and surgeries did to the II's. Like ceramic carbide ossification of their bones? II's and III's both got it, enhanced night vision? Both. Denser muscles? Both. The differences between the two programs results are few and far between.

TL;DR: Different means to the same ends.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Did you even Read GoO? Read it again.

The SIIIs had a less strict Gene pool (I am debating about contesting that) and Injections aren't the same as Augmentations nor did they get the same ones.

  • 12.24.2011 8:02 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Did you even Read GoO? Read it again.

The SIIIs had a less strict Gene pool (I am debating about contesting that) and Injections aren't the same as Augmentations nor did they get the same ones.


It was marginally less strict, but they were both the cream of the crop of all of humanity. Ackerson had all the children in the Outer Colonies DNA screened.

The injections are augmentations, and I'm going to go and get my GoO so I can give you a direct quote of Kurt stating about the same augments that he got.

Also: "our new bioaugmentation protocols target a very specific genetic set..." Kurt, GoO page 83

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Less strict is less strict.


We already know they didn't get the Exact same augmentations giving the fact the SIIIs aren't as tall as the SIIs.

Injections meaning they just got needles poked in them.

Augmentations meaning they got the drugs surgically inserted to them.

  • 12.24.2011 8:08 PM PDT

Augmentation: to make larger; enlarge in size, number, strength, or extent; increase:

Says nothing about a chemical vs surgical difference. Nylund himself calls them AUGMENTATIONS, multiple times. And the Spartan III's were, what? 12? Even though puberty was artificially induced, they can only grow so fast.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

But anybody can see the clear difference in using injections. Yet if they got the same Augmentations they would still be far taller than an ODST, even at that age.

  • 12.24.2011 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I don't care for the personal politics of which class is better.

I am looking at it at face value.

Strict Genes + Augs= Spartan II

Non Strict Genes + Injections= Spartan III

I Don't even think the SIIIs honestly had a Gene pool at all since Ackerson just coxed children into the program.


It doesn't matter at all.

SPARTAN-III's augmentation yielded same results with no mortality as SPARTAN-II's augmentations did with high mortality rate

SPARTAN-III = SPARTAN-II without MJOLNIR and catatlic thyroid implant. Simple as that.

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  • 12.24.2011 8:17 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
But anybody can see the clear difference in using injections. Yet if they got the same Augmentations they would still be far taller than an ODST, even at that age.


Lucy, the smallest SIII was 5' 2" at twelve. What was MC?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I said face value, hence me leaving armor out of it.

We can't comment on the mortality rate for the SII program seeing as we don't have a confirmed death for any of them.

Which means they didn't get all the same Augmentations, which is all i have been saying.

*Like 6'10 out of armor

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  • 12.24.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
But anybody can see the clear difference in using injections. Yet if they got the same Augmentations they would still be far taller than an ODST, even at that age.


Catalic Thyroid Implant is missing in SPARTAN-III augmentation. (that stuff makes you so tall.)

  • 12.24.2011 8:20 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
I said face value, hence me leaving armor out of it.

We can't comment on the mortality rate for the SII program seeing as we don't have a confirmed death for any of them.

Which means they didn't get all the same Augmentations, which is all i have been saying.

*Like 6'10 out of armor


When he was 12? I find that hard to believe

And you didn't say they just didn't get all the same augmentations, you were questioning the validity of the III's as augmentations.

The SII did have a higher washout rate, no matter how few died, at least half did, and the III's had 0 throughout the course of the program*.

*in the augmentation phase


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