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Subject: So why no "like" button?

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

It would most likely have the same effect that polls currently have. People just vote and leave. Many would just agree and leave. You would see 3 people actually respond to the OP while over 20-30 people just "like" a post.

Not very discussion oriented if you ask me :/

  • 12.22.2011 10:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: Buggy Virus
Because generally it just encourages contests to have everyone's favorite non-sequitur line rather than insightful continued discussion.

Just look at Youtube.
Making people's experiences easier on the forums has a weak correlation in encouraging spam. Saying otherwise means you must also believe that without the "like" feature, Youtube posts will suddenly increase in maturity and intelligence, which is silly.

Attention whores are gonna attention whore, regardless of the environment.

  • 12.22.2011 10:21 PM PDT

Posted by: spawn031
It would most likely have the same effect that polls currently have. People just vote and leave. Many would just agree and leave. You would see 3 people actually respond to the OP while over 20-30 people just "like" a post.

Not very discussion oriented if you ask me :/
What's so "discussion oriented" about those 20-30 people, instead of liking a post, all quoting one of the three people who responded and adding absolutely nothing to the "discussion"?

  • 12.22.2011 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: P3P5I
I've been in too many threads where one of the first few posters makes either a clever or insightful post and 10 people come in and just hit "quote" then "reply" on the same post, creating a very annoying and distracting quote train. If I do find myself agreeing with a particular comment in a thread but don't want to waste any replies doing so and potentially de-rail the thread, how am I to express my agreement?

Also, please don't even think about posting the "potential for abuse" argument.

  • 12.22.2011 10:27 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: spawn031
It would most likely have the same effect that polls currently have. People just vote and leave. Many would just agree and leave. You would see 3 people actually respond to the OP while over 20-30 people just "like" a post.

Not very discussion oriented if you ask me :/
What's so "discussion oriented" about those 20-30 people, instead of liking a post, all quoting one of the three people who responded and adding absolutely nothing to the "discussion"?
I guess, in essence, "quoting" somebody is the same as leaving a like. You're basically saying you agree with that person, which is just like leaving a like.

Making connections man....

  • 12.22.2011 10:29 PM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

Posted by: dazarobbo
Meh, it's just much easier to see who posted it out rather than having blotches of usernames in one box saying "So and so liked this". I could see many people liking a post just because a ninja or employee posted though.

I guess you could look at it from the other side though and consider it as "environmentally friendly" to the web space. Obviously the goal is to promote discussion and after you think about it, either way of having people "like" a post or constantly quote but not add (it least bumps the thread) one way isn't really better than the other. Unless you're going green!

  • 12.22.2011 10:33 PM PDT

Posted by: ECOH Cam
I guess, in essence, "quoting" somebody is the same as leaving a like. You're basically saying you agree with that person, which is just like leaving a like.

Making connections man....
No, it's not the same. One is distracting, pointless, and gets in the way of intelligent discourse, while the other doesn't.

Posted by: spawn031
Posted by: dazarobbo
Meh, it's just much easier to see who posted it out rather than having blotches of usernames in one box saying "So and so liked this". I could see many people liking a post just because a ninja or employee posted though.

I guess you could look at it from the other side though and consider it as "environmentally friendly" to the web space. Obviously the goal is to promote discussion and after you think about it, either way of having people "like" a post or constantly quote but not add (it least bumps the thread) one way isn't really better than the other. Unless you're going green!
Why does it even need to show the usernames, least of all in a single box? And why is it so bad if a whole bunch of people like certain users' posts? Would you rather them quote what they've said and derail a thread (as has happened numerous times in the past)?

[Edited on 12.22.2011 10:37 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 10:34 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: ECOH Cam
I guess, in essence, "quoting" somebody is the same as leaving a like. You're basically saying you agree with that person, which is just like leaving a like.

Making connections man....
No, it's not the same. One is distracting, pointless, and gets in the way of intelligent discourse, while the other doesn't.
The "like" button is meaningless and adds nothing to the discussion as well. The only thing it doesn't do is get in the way of "intelligent discourse". Which is easily fixable by scrolling over the one quote posts.

  • 12.22.2011 10:38 PM PDT


Posted by: ECOH Cam

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: ECOH Cam
I guess, in essence, "quoting" somebody is the same as leaving a like. You're basically saying you agree with that person, which is just like leaving a like.

Making connections man....
No, it's not the same. One is distracting, pointless, and gets in the way of intelligent discourse, while the other doesn't.
The "like" button is meaningless and adds nothing to the discussion as well. The only thing it doesn't do is get in the way of "intelligent discourse". Which is easily fixable by scrolling over the one quote posts.
Why should we have to "fix" anything? With the like button in place it may decrease the number of actual posts, but it will make the average of actually intelligent and meaningful posts go up.

[Edited on 12.22.2011 10:43 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 10:43 PM PDT

I ain't want like button.

  • 12.22.2011 10:45 PM PDT

Posted by: ECOH Cam
The "like" button is meaningless and adds nothing to the discussion as well. The only thing it doesn't do is get in the way of "intelligent discourse". Which is easily fixable by scrolling over the one quote posts.
I'd argue that with a counter beside a post showing how many people agree with it is a good indication of... how many people agree with it! Thereby showing support. When getting to meta-level stuff, there's also the possibility of using the same data to filter posts and showing "top" content - the things that people agree with or find interesting (see: reddit).

The scrolling argument is kind of weak too.

  • 12.22.2011 10:45 PM PDT


Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: ECOH Cam

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: ECOH Cam
I guess, in essence, "quoting" somebody is the same as leaving a like. You're basically saying you agree with that person, which is just like leaving a like.

Making connections man....
No, it's not the same. One is distracting, pointless, and gets in the way of intelligent discourse, while the other doesn't.
The "like" button is meaningless and adds nothing to the discussion as well. The only thing it doesn't do is get in the way of "intelligent discourse". Which is easily fixable by scrolling over the one quote posts.
Why should we have to "fix" anything? With the like button in place it may decrease the number of actual posts, but it will make the average of actually intelligent and meaningful posts go up.
I agree with this. But the contrast between "liking" something and simply "quoting" something is what I strongly disagree with. The only real difference is that one takes two clicks.

  • 12.22.2011 10:45 PM PDT

Why do people have to show that they agree with something?

  • 12.22.2011 10:46 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: ECOH Cam
The "like" button is meaningless and adds nothing to the discussion as well. The only thing it doesn't do is get in the way of "intelligent discourse". Which is easily fixable by scrolling over the one quote posts.
I'd argue that with a counter beside a post showing how many people agree with it is a good indication of... how many people agree with it! Thereby showing support. When getting to meta-level stuff, there's also the possibility of using the same data to filter posts and showing "top" content - the things that people agree with or find interesting (see: reddit).

The scrolling argument is kind of weak too.
0_o

Ok, so there are a few incidences where the scrolling method is n't so helpful. But shouldn't those users get banned for not even adding to the discussion? I apologize if that's not a bannable offense as of late.

  • 12.22.2011 10:48 PM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

Posted by: dazarobbo
After putting more though into it, I suppose it could work like the Halo Reach file system only on a smaller scale. So many "likes" could get a flaming icon for that post. I read through some other posts in this thread about the idea and I agree most with Cortana:

Posted by: cortana 5
My only concern is seeing such a feature overtaking actual discussion.

I'm not necessarily against the whole idea. I just feel that in some forums it would take the place of the discussion rather than having users actually type out their own point of view. Users that constantly quote right now, as seen in the Halo Reach and Flood forums mostly, derail a thread rather quickly, but I don't see how adding a "like" function would fix that.

Especially for threads that have very well thought out OP. Like 2-3 posts or something. I think many people would like the post and not even read it or post. Maybe some well thought out ideas might get buried just because people like their post. Maybe if 5 likes = bump of the thread if they're all on the OP's post?

Just a thought.

  • 12.22.2011 10:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Breadisgood91
Why do people have to show that they agree with something?
They don't have to, but they do. So why should they only have the option to make meaningless, annoying, and inconvenient quotes.

[Edited on 12.22.2011 10:51 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 10:51 PM PDT

They shouldn't have any options. Agreeing with someone doesn't add to the conversation either.
Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: Breadisgood91
Why do people have to show that they agree with something?
They don't have to, but they do. So why should they only have the option to make meaningless, annoying, and inconvenient quotes.

  • 12.22.2011 10:52 PM PDT


Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: Breadisgood91
Why do people have to show that they agree with something?
They don't have to, but they do. So why should they only have the option to make meaningless, annoying, and inconvenient quotes.

But shouldn't those users get banned for not even adding to the discussion? I apologize if that's not a bannable offense as of late.

  • 12.22.2011 10:52 PM PDT


Posted by: ECOH Cam

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: Breadisgood91
Why do people have to show that they agree with something?
They don't have to, but they do. So why should they only have the option to make meaningless, annoying, and inconvenient quotes.

But shouldn't those users get banned for not even adding to the discussion? I apologize if that's not a bannable offense as of late.
Technically yes, it is spam. However clearly these people want to agree or show recognition for urk's post, so why not give them the option to with a discrete yet useful like button?

[Edited on 12.22.2011 10:55 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 10:54 PM PDT


Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: ECOH Cam

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: Breadisgood91
Why do people have to show that they agree with something?
They don't have to, but they do. So why should they only have the option to make meaningless, annoying, and inconvenient quotes.

But shouldn't those users get banned for not even adding to the discussion? I apologize if that's not a bannable offense as of late.
Technically yes, it is spam. However clearly these people want to agree or show recognition for urk's post, so why not give them the option to with a discrete yet useful like button?
So we want to discourage participating in a discussion with the addition of a feature that would encourage people to be lazy? I say leave it out. If they have nothing to contribute, they can sit back and wait for their chance to contribute.

  • 12.22.2011 10:57 PM PDT


Posted by: ECOH Cam

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: ECOH Cam

Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: Breadisgood91
Why do people have to show that they agree with something?
They don't have to, but they do. So why should they only have the option to make meaningless, annoying, and inconvenient quotes.

But shouldn't those users get banned for not even adding to the discussion? I apologize if that's not a bannable offense as of late.
Technically yes, it is spam. However clearly these people want to agree or show recognition for urk's post, so why not give them the option to with a discrete yet useful like button?
So we want to discourage participating in a discussion with the addition of a feature that would encourage people to be lazy? I say leave it out. If they have nothing to contribute, they can sit back and wait for their chance to contribute.
No, we want to discourage meaningless posts while also giving those people who would have otherwise made those meaningless posts a way to still be active and show their opinions.

  • 12.22.2011 11:00 PM PDT


Posted by: insaneAssass1n9
No, we want to discourage meaningless posts while also giving those people who would have otherwise made those meaningless posts a way to still be active and show their opinions.
...

I'm done.

  • 12.22.2011 11:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: DeathSkills
This isn't facebook.
Neither is this, or this, or this, or this, or this, or this, or this, or this.
Or this.

You don't even have to show the votes. Just highlight highly-rated posts and dim lowly-rated posts.

[Edited on 12.22.2011 11:05 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2011 11:04 PM PDT
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How do you know that the like button would stop users from quote posts?

Although a like button wouldn't get in the way of discussion, some users might, instead of posting what they think about the subject at hand, like some post(s) and leave without adding any discussion or attempting to prove the points of the thought with a post of their own.

  • 12.22.2011 11:18 PM PDT


Posted by: insaneAssass1n9

Posted by: cortana 5
My only concern is seeing such a feature overtaking actual discussion.

I can get fifty likes, but only five replies, as opposed to getting 55 replies in the absence of such a feature. I'm not totally against it, but I think that we need to find out how to maintain a good balance.
It would act much like a poll does at the moment.

And polls draw in very few replies.

  • 12.22.2011 11:19 PM PDT