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  • 12.23.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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  • 12.23.2011 3:31 PM PDT


Posted by: MajorGroove

Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?
Yes, it did. It annoyed me to no end.


Doesn't that qualify as bloom on a precision weapon then? The faster you fire the larger your spread becomes.
It didn't really matter, to be honest. No one ever picked up the carbine over the BR and you couldn't ever spawn with it.

  • 12.23.2011 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: MajorGroove

Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?
Yes, it did. It annoyed me to no end.


Doesn't that qualify as bloom on a precision weapon then? The faster you fire the larger your spread becomes.
It didn't really matter, to be honest. No one ever picked up the carbine over the BR and you couldn't ever spawn with it.


Your OP says that bloom has never been on a precision weapon besides the CE Magnum. You can't just ignore a weapon because it doesn't jive with your "facts".

  • 12.23.2011 3:34 PM PDT


Posted by: MajorGroove

Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: MajorGroove

Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?
Yes, it did. It annoyed me to no end.


Doesn't that qualify as bloom on a precision weapon then? The faster you fire the larger your spread becomes.
It didn't really matter, to be honest. No one ever picked up the carbine over the BR and you couldn't ever spawn with it.


Your OP says that bloom has never been on a precision weapon besides the CE Magnum. You can't just ignore a weapon because it doesn't jive with your "facts".
Okay, whatever. Carbine had bloom too. No one used it so it made no difference. In the same way that the BR having some bloom made no difference. This is like arguing that the Spiker had 90% melee damage compared to other weapons. No one ever used it anyway so it really doesn't matter in the slightest even if that was true.

  • 12.23.2011 3:41 PM PDT



Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: MajorGroove

Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?[/quote]Yes, it did. It annoyed me to no end.[/quote]

Doesn't that qualify as bloom on a precision weapon then? The faster you fire the larger your spread becomes.
It didn't really matter, to be honest. No one ever picked up the carbine over the BR and you couldn't ever spawn with it.


Your OP says that bloom has never been on a precision weapon besides the CE Magnum. You can't just ignore a weapon because it doesn't jive with your "facts".
Okay, whatever. Carbine had bloom too. No one used it so it made no difference. In the same way that the BR having some bloom made no difference. This is like arguing that the Spiker had 90% melee damage compared to other weapons. No one ever used it anyway so it really doesn't matter in the slightest even if that was true.


IIRC Halo 2 MLG spawned you with a BR and a carbine. BR was used from close to medium range while the carbine was for long range.

  • 12.23.2011 3:45 PM PDT


Posted by: MajorGroove


Posted by: X El BaZzA X

Posted by: MajorGroove

Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?[/quote]Yes, it did. It annoyed me to no end.[/quote]

Doesn't that qualify as bloom on a precision weapon then? The faster you fire the larger your spread becomes.
It didn't really matter, to be honest. No one ever picked up the carbine over the BR and you couldn't ever spawn with it.


Your OP says that bloom has never been on a precision weapon besides the CE Magnum. You can't just ignore a weapon because it doesn't jive with your "facts".
Okay, whatever. Carbine had bloom too. No one used it so it made no difference. In the same way that the BR having some bloom made no difference. This is like arguing that the Spiker had 90% melee damage compared to other weapons. No one ever used it anyway so it really doesn't matter in the slightest even if that was true.


IIRC Halo 2 MLG spawned you with a BR and a carbine. BR was used from close to medium range while the carbine was for long range.
I don't know if Halo 2 carbine had bloom

  • 12.23.2011 3:46 PM PDT

Shouldn't you edit the OP?

  • 12.23.2011 3:49 PM PDT

Posted by: MajorGroove
Posted by: Sanuel Jackson
Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?
Yes, it did. It annoyed me to no end.

Doesn't that qualify as bloom on a precision weapon then? The faster you fire the larger your spread becomes.

Yes, it does. The bullets still always landed within the reticle though. It never landed outside the reticle, which is what sets it apart from Reach's bloom mechanic.

  • 12.23.2011 3:49 PM PDT

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  • 12.23.2011 4:39 PM PDT

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  • 12.23.2011 4:50 PM PDT

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You think K/D makes a better player? You think just because you died less during a match makes you better? Or the fact like you pointed out that the maps are not balanced and that Spawn trapping is so easily manipulated which your death is highly unlikely makes you better?

Yeah, don't listen to a low K/D player. Let alone a player who has played Halo since it came out on the Xbox original for the last 11 years.. it's fine.

  • 12.23.2011 5:12 PM PDT

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  • 12.23.2011 5:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: chesney
lol @ best players spam.

If you are the best, how come your spamming doesn't get you kills? How come you don't adapt (like good players should do) and pace your shots, like the so called worse players?
You have a 1.1 k/d. The chance of me taking advice from you is 0. Listening to you would only make me worse because you have no idea what you're talking about.
This made me lol. The chances of you getting kills in a DMR fight are greater if you spam. This doesn't apply to long range though.

  • 12.23.2011 5:48 PM PDT

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  • 12.23.2011 5:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?


I thought its spread was consistent (in that it was always there) regardless of whether or not you paced or 'spammed' it at its max RoF...

  • 12.23.2011 5:50 PM PDT

The spread on the BR gets looser as you shoot.

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
I thought its spread was consistent (in that it was always there) regardless of whether or not you paced or 'spammed' it at its max RoF...


That is true of the carbine. It just shoots all random ass, so it can be hard to get that final headshot.


[Edited on 12.23.2011 6:04 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Milo2107
Yeah, don't listen to a low K/D player. Let alone a player who has played Halo since it came out on the Xbox original for the last 11 years.. it's fine.
Just because you play more doesn't mean your a better player.

  • 12.23.2011 5:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: MajorGroove
Didn't the carbine become less accurate if you fired it too fast?


I thought its spread was consistent (in that it was always there) regardless of whether or not you paced or 'spammed' it at its max RoF...


Just popped in H2 and tested the carbine out and it does appear to have random spread and not bloom. There was an ever so slightly larger spread when I rapid fired it but that could just be coincidence or me misinterpreting the results. Ill check the H3 carbine later, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

On a side note I forget the crisp strafe of H2 and how good the announcer sounded.

  • 12.23.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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Oh, aren't we raging today?

Let me clear something up for you: Most people simply don't care. The sooner you can stop being an angry prick on the internet, the sooner you can get on with your goddamned life.

I came to play and enjoy the game, and damnit, that's exactly what I did. You could do well to either enjoy playing the damn game or else leave everyone who does the hell alone. It's a game, meant for your enjoyment. If it's taking up this much of your life arguing with people on the internet, I doubt you're enjoying it.

  • 12.23.2011 6:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: DeltaFiveZero
Oh, aren't we raging today?

Let me clear something up for you: Most people simply don't care. The sooner you can stop being an angry prick on the internet, the sooner you can get on with your goddamned life.

I came to play and enjoy the game, and damnit, that's exactly what I did. You could do well to either enjoy playing the damn game or else leave everyone who does the hell alone. It's a game, meant for your enjoyment. If it's taking up this much of your life arguing with people on the internet, I doubt you're enjoying it.

Dude you are my hero! Exactly what I thought.

  • 12.23.2011 6:14 PM PDT


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Posted by: DeltaFiveZero
Oh, aren't we raging today?

Let me clear something up for you: Most people simply don't care. The sooner you can stop being an angry prick on the internet, the sooner you can get on with your goddamned life.

I came to play and enjoy the game, and damnit, that's exactly what I did. You could do well to either enjoy playing the damn game or else leave everyone who does the hell alone. It's a game, meant for your enjoyment. If it's taking up this much of your life arguing with people on the internet, I doubt you're enjoying it.

Dude you are my hero! Exactly what I thought.


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  • 12.23.2011 6:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sentox6
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I stopped reading when he said bloom != spread. Bloom is just an animated way to show spread. It's meant to make it easier to track spread, and it's a great idea.

You're just too stuck on the BR where you just pressed the trigger as rapidly as possible becuase as long as you saw him first you killed the other person first.

I hope you're happy. You packed so much stupid into that post I got dumber just reading it.

mmkay. Let's get this straight: 1) Bloom is spread.

Yep, just one point for your nitwit brain to handle. Even back in Halo 1, spread increases exponentialy over time with weapons. Why do you think you fire bursts from the AR? And using full auto on the PR?

You have no idea what you're talking about; I modded halo 1, I know exactly how the weapons work. They had "bloom", just not animated. Every Halo has had "bloom", just not noticable on precision weapons (except apparently the h3 carbine).

Bloom is helpful, it shows the spread so not just people who have been playing reach for all their waking hours can see when to cut down RoF and be more accurate. You're just all pissed it's on a precision weapon, but it introduces a strategic aspect; whether to take a shot and risk missing and win or to fire steadily with a guarenteed hit but possibly die. Basically every other good FPS has a choice for you to make like this, and it's a strategical part of the game. I should have known by now all modern halo players expect their primary weapon to shoot in a perfectly straight line all the time, no matter how much they spam the trigger. It's what the BR did for two games, so I guess that's good enough?

TBH the BR was a nightmare. In h2, no one used anything but the BR or the carbine, and all the other weapons that halo 1 got right were just accessories. In h1, you could go out with a PR and kill people with its stun and if you used a low RoF, it was pretty accurate. The pistol was easily beaten in relatively close range with a good AR, and you didn't have to be in melee range to shotgun your opponents. The FRG wasn't an OP pos that let you kill your opponents in one hit, and the sniper had a decent sized max ammo that actually let you move around instead of having to constantly camp near an ammo source.

In reach, the PR/repeater is -blam!- and only takes down shields, the PP stuns vehicles for wwwwaaaay too long, and the shotgun is a melee weapon.

Oh, and on previous page, the h2 carbine did not have spread, it was always dead on accurate which is why it was long range.

Spread is random, with no control. Bloom is controlled by smaller RoF. Herp, maybe you need to see a vid to show you that hce had bloom: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OilVqh0lhNY

Bloom was always in halo; reach just visualized it.


[Edited on 12.26.2011 1:03 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 12:51 PM PDT