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Subject: The thread of all threads to clear up ignorance in this forum

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: I RaveN I
mmkay. Let's get this straight: 1) Bloom is spread.

-snip-

First of all, in this context, no one cares about the AR/PR/etc. This is strictly about the utility weapons: the HCE pistol vs H2 BR vs H3 BR vs HR DMR.

Bloom is dynamic spread conditional on the rate of fire. It's not the same thing. Technically the H3 BR had bloom, but it was so miniscule that for all intents and purposes it was just static spread.

I love how you feel the need to lecture me on the intended purpose of bloom, too. Almost makes it sound like a good idea. Y'know, if the implementation weren't so poorly done that spamming is highly effective, and if we weren't playing a game with long kill times where degenerative accuracy causes the teamshoot to become excessively dominant.

Understanding the abstract theory behind a mechanic does not in any way mean you have any experience in how it affects gameplay at higher skill levels.

Yep, just one point for your nitwit brain to handle.
It's funny that I simply called your post stupid, whereas you immediately resort to direct personal attacks.

With respect to the second point you made originally:
You're just too stuck on the BR where you just pressed the trigger as rapidly as possible becuase as long as you saw him first you killed the other person first.
That was where the idiocy really, really hit new heights. Only truly, horribly awful players believe this. If your experience with the BR (H2 or H3) was that the player who shot first always won, you were a bad player playing other bad players. There's no way around it.

  • 12.26.2011 1:17 PM PDT

Last member of the i4Ni clan.

I'll post some of my gameplay on youtube later... I'm good. :D

However, you really have no idea. BR has a set RoF. As long as we're both good enough to headshot every time, whoever sees the person first wins.

As for this is strictly about utility weapons, that's your opinion. The title of this thread is not "DMR Bloom sucks". It's bloom sucks.

I've been playing Halo CE for the past (almost) 5 years, and h2 for 2 years. I know how the games played, and I've started reach recently and bloom is a huge benefit.

h1 had enough weapon diversity that you could at least pick up any weapon, and in the right situation it was the best. Not one or two god guns that were superpowered and destroyed everything. Reach's bloom on the DMR tries to counter that god gun; if you're shooting at someone mid range, you cant just keep pressing down the trigger like the BR and hope to hit the max RoF to kill them first. You have to pace your shots, which will mean death unless you use cover, grenades, or teamwork.

Reach's weapon diversity sucks ass, but bloom is a visual representation of spread, unlike what the OP said. That is what I was arguing. However, @ your DMR bloom, it puts some weapon diversity and a weakness into the god gun that has been lacking in recent halos.

Most games deliberately complicate matters with low ROF, fast movement, limited ammo, or weapon inaccuracy.

Halo does none of these

Games before Halo did though, back when having a learning curve and actual challenge in gameplay was considered fun. Now games just inflate entertainment value with lots of explosions, pretty graphics, and ranking systems.

It's the truth that Halo revolutionized gaming, it just wasn't in a good way.


You want a real competitive game? Go and play Starcraft II. Go play Red Orchestra. Reach, JKII, Call of Duty, and even Battlefield are little more than glory-hounding games where a single player can just skew results because of "skill." That "skill" is actually just knowing the game's mechanics and how to abuse them in such a way that it lets you do unholy things, things that were never even dreamed of during the game's development. I'm willing to wager that half of the stuff in Quake III is outside of the game's original design/gameplay parameters.

Real skill is knowing how to handily beat your opponent without abusing any mechanics, on a consistent basis. That's knowing what units to build early on in a game and how to organize your defense. That's knowing the distance to the target based on experience and how much you need to angle your shot to make that kill. That's knowing when to rush and when to turtle. That's knowing when to flank or when to throw that grenade and mop up. If we want to use games that you think are skillful (or not), that's knowing when to pull the trigger with your DMR, when to parry with your light-saber rather than thrust, or when to circumnavigate the map with your tank because experience tells you that all the other routes are an ambush in given conditions. THAT is skill.

  • 12.26.2011 1:36 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: I RaveN I
-giant wall I'm not reading-
Get a highest skill other than 9 in H3 before you talk about how you're "good" or not.

Everything you described in that bottom paragraph is retarded because it exists in every game. lolmapknowledge doesn't exist in Halo? Everything that has to do with victory involves abusing a mechanic better than the other side. In Starcraft, micro is abused constantly. Quake, bunny hopping and circlestrafing.

I laugh at people that think you can play a competitive game without serious abuse of gameplay mechanics because it shows just how impossibly inexperienced they are in competitive gameplay.

  • 12.26.2011 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: I RaveN I
-giant wall I'm not reading-
Get a highest skill other than 9 in H3 before you talk about how you're "good" or not.

Everything you described in that bottom paragraph is retarded because it exists in every game. lolmapknowledge doesn't exist in Halo? Everything that has to do with victory involves abusing a mechanic better than the other side. In Starcraft, micro is abused constantly. Quake, bunny hopping and circlestrafing.

I laugh at people that think you can play a competitive game without serious abuse of gameplay mechanics because it shows just how impossibly inexperienced they are in competitive gameplay.


Halo 2.

BXR
/ His argument just got raped.

  • 12.26.2011 1:46 PM PDT
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Halo: Reach is the beginning of a new age for gaming.
It proves that developers can get away with punishing their players instead of fixing their game....and yet the fanboys will still sing praises to them.

-blam!- all of you fanboys!

You are an idiot!

  • 12.26.2011 1:56 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: I RaveN I
I'll post some of my gameplay on youtube later

Please do. I assume it will be on your other account. You know, the one you must have if you're actually good, because your linked account sure isn't.

As long as we're both good enough to headshot every time
Which of course is always the case. Everyone has perfect accuracy, no one ever makes mistakes, and strafing is meaningless (admittedly, the last one is true in Halo: Reach).

I've been playing Halo CE for the past (almost) 5 years, and h2 for 2 years.
So I have more experience with Halo than you. I guess by your implied metric, my opinion now carries added validity. Great.

You have to pace your shots, which will mean death unless you use cover, grenades, or teamwork.
No, you don't. Spamming is a viable tactic. With good teamshoot coordination, it's a dominant tactic.

Real skill is knowing how to handily beat your opponent without abusing any mechanics, on a consistent basis.
LOL

I really have nothing else to say. The second half of your post was just rambling nonsense.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 2:17 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 2:15 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.


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Posted by: CaptKrunch 96
Wat

  • 12.26.2011 2:17 PM PDT

someone who doesn't come off as ignorant should probably post this thread and give us something more in the realm of explanation. you're spouting off 'FACT' in caps like an ignorant dumbass would.

dat irony bro.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 6:40 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 6:40 PM PDT
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Bungie should consider investing in precipitation gathering nets for these forums. The sheer amount of tears shed by anyone who's been destroyed by armor lock, jet pack, grenades, and the AR could continuously operate hydroelectric dams, irrigate farms, and provide clean drinking water for third world countries.

Half of OPs 'Facts' are opinions and are not quantifiable as anything but.

  • 12.26.2011 6:43 PM PDT

DMR + Sniper Rifle + Sprint= total demolish

You move slower because you are not a spartan II FACT

  • 12.26.2011 6:45 PM PDT
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This is why i try to stay away from broken Casual Slayer aka Team Slayer.

  • 12.26.2011 6:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.


Posted by: scotia96
You move slower because you are not a spartan II FACT


Doesn't make it right. Megaman is the "downgraded" version of Megaman X, yet he moves and jumps the same(in proportional to the game).

  • 12.26.2011 6:47 PM PDT

Posted by: scotia96
You move slower because you are not a spartan II FACT
Gameplay is far more important than following canon.

  • 12.26.2011 7:04 PM PDT

Bazza less sweeping generalizations and more substantiated arguments please.

Regardless, no matter what you say the same people will still go on talking about how Bloom is great, Armor Lock is awesome, the maps are pretty cool, jetpack is neat, etc. I gave up ages ago.

  • 12.26.2011 7:11 PM PDT

Remember Elk

-HALO REACH HAS YOU MOVE SLOWER THAN ANY OTHER HALO GAME FACT

There was this very nice thread a couple of months back with a guy running in halo 1, 2, 3, odst and reach next to warthogs.
Unless warthogs have gotten much smaller in reach making the distance he ran shorter then you run as fast as in halo 3 regulary, and even faster with sprint.

However this is only forward, you are slower strafing and going backwards and with the increased grenade blast radius (not damage, blast radius) you are more likely to get killed by them.

  • 12.26.2011 7:35 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: Dauss
Half of OPs 'Facts' are opinions and are not quantifiable as anything but.

Still better than your record on these forums. I've never seen you assert something that hasn't been stunningly ignorant and/or imbecilic. You're up there with the likes of Beirut and MR E0S.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 7:42 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 7:42 PM PDT

Lots of people parading their opinions around as facts ITT. Granted, I agree with most of the OP, but still.

  • 12.26.2011 7:49 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

Fact: a hypothesis that has not and can not be disproven
Theory: a hypothesis that has not been disproved but has been proved multiple times.
Hypothesis: a testable statement that has yet to be proved.

Your "Facts" are not even hypotheses, as they are terribly subjective. Just making things clear.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 8:01 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 7:57 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
Your "Facts" are hypotheses. Just making things clear.

Some are actual facts. Some are theories. Some are indeed hypotheses.

Just making things clearer.

  • 12.26.2011 8:01 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

True, like the first few, but the "Jetpack ruining map" one is a subjective opinion.

  • 12.26.2011 8:02 PM PDT
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Bungie should consider investing in precipitation gathering nets for these forums. The sheer amount of tears shed by anyone who's been destroyed by armor lock, jet pack, grenades, and the AR could continuously operate hydroelectric dams, irrigate farms, and provide clean drinking water for third world countries.

Boohoo sentox. We have differing opinions but because the forum consists of more whiners in your line of thinking you consider yourself right. Way2gobro

  • 12.26.2011 8:03 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
True, like the first few, but the "Jetpack ruining map" one is a subjective opinion.

There's plenty of footage of high level arena play that clearly demonstrates how abusing Jetpack destroys conventional map control, so it would be better classed as a theory.

Posted by: Dauss
Boohoo sentox. We have differing opinions but because the forum consists of more whiners in your line of thinking you consider yourself right. Way2gobro

Yes, the number of players here with thumbs and a brain clearly outnumber you and your band of terribad kids insisting you understand the game better. Right.

Stop abusing the word "opinion". It never did anything to hurt you. You don't get to say things like "the player who shoots first always wins" and get to claim that you simply have a differing "opinion". You are just wrong.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 8:12 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 8:06 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

No. Its an opinion, unless you can give solid proof (not anything that can be argued).

  • 12.26.2011 8:07 PM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

Reach host ranking algorithm: (a*quit_percentage + b*isMexican + c*(1/KDR) + d*hasGuest) * 100
where a > b = d > c

Posted by: TurnedSculpture
No. Its an opinion, unless you can give solid proof (not anything that can be argued).

Indeed. So until someone makes a solid argument explaining why the jetpack does not actually destroy conventional map control in all those arena gameplays where the jetpack clearly destroys conventional map control, I'm going to keep considering it a theory.

[Edited on 12.26.2011 8:15 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2011 8:11 PM PDT