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Okay here we go:
Halo 1 - AR - Assault Rifle
Halo 2 - BR - Battle Rifle
Halo 3 - CR - Crusade Rifle
Notice that all of them have something to do with action and fighting.

  • 05.10.2006 3:46 AM PDT

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and that was his first and final rebel eradication mission

Asteroid belt, not africa? where the hell are you people getting african rebels......there where NEVER african rebels in the books or the games.


Doesn't mean there aren't any African Rebels either.


You really have no respect for Halo do you, stop trying to invent your own story.

The weapons looks like a mutated form of the AR it is not the old AR is is not as chunky and has a longer barrel, getting the Halo one booklet out shows you that.

Second, you guys where saying that he was made MADE to fight rebels, whe nhe was not, and we have NOT been told of "African rebels" so they would not just randomly add somthing never before seen or heard of just to get a simple weapon. all other abandoned places like Zanzibar have always been ex-military outposts, but offical ones, not some random rebels.

  • 05.10.2006 3:47 AM PDT

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No I freaking told you to cut the hose off, if i told to pull it off then i would have said pull it off. Now you broke the AC you dumb ass.
Me to my mother.

what he was made to fight rebels because they were the biggest threat the UNSC had until the purple loving punks came.
and whats in africa now,rebels.get off ur xbox,get some sunshine and take a history lesson

  • 05.10.2006 3:52 AM PDT
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"Okay here we go:
Halo 1 - AR - Assault Rifle
Halo 2 - BR - Battle Rifle
Halo 3 - CR - Crusade Rifle
Notice that all of them have something to do with action and fighting."

Ahaha..No. One that name is far to cheesy, 2 Bungie is simply playing to the Halo 1 fans who wrenched at Halo 2 and it's terrible loadout. It is THE assault rifle END QUOTE. Besdies it has the same hud on it displaying 60 ammo and the star compass.

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Lol, ok I am no dumbass with halo and also, I am no dumbass in real life

Someone in this thread said that it could not be a br cos is did not have a scope,
That is a very intelligent statement.

What is also intelligent is that the pistol in halo 2 was NOT stronger than an assault rifle, or a semi auto in the case of a br.

so taking into account that there has to be an adequate (and clearly visible) scope on something for it to be able to "ZOOM IN" that completely make the pistol in halo:CE very --"unintelligent"--

a weather I am cool or not, well you are the one who is living in the past, u are a dumbass for thinking the pistol was ever a good idea and you are currently on the "halo3!" forum -blam!-ing about halo 2.

If you are prepared to say if anyone that does not agree with you are uncool, maybe your should get better points than

"I was betrayed by bungie because halo 2 was not the exact same as halo 1, so I will make a big cult and winge about it on halo 2 and 3 forums and see if I can get anyone to like me"

you are absolutely pathetic and u say I suck too?, well that was hardly called for, weather or not u consider gamers as nerds or uncool, you are saying that we (as a community) suck, you being on a gaming forum, is that really the smartest thing to be saying now is it?


Or as my good friend worded it

First off, i would just like to comment on the realistic value of the pistol in Halo: CE. Firstly, it has no scope, even though you are presented with the ability to zoom in. I believe that this feature was implemented to make up for the lack of a medium range weapon. This was probably on account of the lack of time Bungie actually had to produce this game.

Secondly, I would like to address the effect this has on gameplay. This weapon is overpowered, and as such, it eliminated the use for just about every weapon in the game. The fact that Bungie decided to remedie this was a necessary, and timely action. The pistol in Halo2 was designed to be a last ditch attempt to preserve your life. It was designed to be used as a normal pistol would be on earth, which is where the first part of the game is set, and also where the human weapons come from.In gameplay, it can be used in tandem with other weapons, such as the SMG, Plasma rifel, or Plasma Pistol. This is so that once your opponents shield is down, you can execute a deadly headshot.

"Noobs" such as yourself, fail to see the power of the new pistol, or duel wielding as another variable to the outcome of a confontation. The more variables, the variety of different outcomes increases. This serves to make these confrontations more exciting. This leads to better gameplay.


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Halo 3 - CR - Crusade Rifle


I highly doubt its called the Crusade rifle. And to address some previous comments, the Marines are one branch of our military. The UNSC has no Army, only the Marines and the Navy. Highly efficient.

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  • 05.10.2006 3:53 AM PDT

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I wasn't making my own story, just stating a fact. We don't know if there are African Rebels in the Halo Universe, but just because we don't know of their existence doesn't mean we should deny their existence. I also never said he was made to fight rebels. And Bungie hasn't stated if it is a new weapon or the old AR, they could've just given it an updated look that they found more realistic or more to their liking.

  • 05.10.2006 3:53 AM PDT

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what he was made to fight rebels because they were the biggest threat the UNSC had until the purple loving punks came.
and whats in africa now,rebels.get off ur xbox,get some sunshine and take a history lesson


Since when has Halo bee nset now, it's a long way in the future, before delaing with off planet threats, they would deal with internal ones, rendering earth rebels moot, plus, since when has Halo run off just history, bits and peices do, not much.

  • 05.10.2006 3:56 AM PDT

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Still doesn't mean that there aren't any rebels.

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Maybe the rifle is a cross between a battle and an assault rifle; an automatic battle rifle!

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Lol, ok I am no dumbass with halo and also, I am no dumbass in real life

Someone in this thread said that it could not be a br cos is did not have a scope,
That is a very intelligent statement.

What is also intelligent is that the pistol in halo 2 was NOT stronger than an assault rifle, or a semi auto in the case of a br.

so taking into account that there has to be an adequate (and clearly visible) scope on something for it to be able to "ZOOM IN" that completely make the pistol in halo:CE very --"unintelligent"--

a weather I am cool or not, well you are the one who is living in the past, u are a dumbass for thinking the pistol was ever a good idea and you are currently on the "halo3!" forum -blam!-ing about halo 2.

If you are prepared to say if anyone that does not agree with you are uncool, maybe your should get better points than

"I was betrayed by bungie because halo 2 was not the exact same as halo 1, so I will make a big cult and winge about it on halo 2 and 3 forums and see if I can get anyone to like me"

you are absolutely pathetic and u say I suck too?, well that was hardly called for, weather or not u consider gamers as nerds or uncool, you are saying that we (as a community) suck, you being on a gaming forum, is that really the smartest thing to be saying now is it?


Or as my good friend TIKILAL says

First off, i would just like to comment on the realistic value of the pistol in Halo: CE. Firstly, it has no scope, even though you are presented with the ability to zoom in. I believe that this feature was implemented to make up for the lack of a medium range weapon. This was probably on account of the lack of time Bungie actually had to produce this game.

Secondly, I would like to address the effect this has on gameplay. This weapon is overpowered, and as such, it eliminated the use for just about every weapon in the game. The fact that Bungie decided to remedie this was a necessary, and timely action. The pistol in Halo2 was designed to be a last ditch attempt to preserve your life. It was designed to be used as a normal pistol would be on earth, which is where the first part of the game is set, and also where the human weapons come from.In gameplay, it can be used in tandem with other weapons, such as the SMG, Plasma rifel, or Plasma Pistol. This is so that once your opponents shield is down, you can execute a deadly headshot.

"Noobs" such as yourself, fail to see the power of the new pistol, or duel wielding as another variable to the outcome of a confontation. The more variables, the variety of different outcomes increases. This serves to make these confrontations more exciting. This leads to better gameplay.


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  • 05.10.2006 4:00 AM PDT

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No I freaking told you to cut the hose off, if i told to pull it off then i would have said pull it off. Now you broke the AC you dumb ass.
Me to my mother.

it could be rebels from another planet or sumfin,camped in africa, ready to take out a important feature.
i didnt say halo ran off history i said that there may be rebels in africa.like now in africa,the government is trying to stop rebels but there is a group of rebels fighting for the government and the government didnt have a clue what they were doing

  • 05.10.2006 4:02 AM PDT
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Lol, ok I am no dumbass with halo and also, I am no dumbass in real life

Someone in this thread said that it could not be a br cos is did not have a scope,
That is a very intelligent statement.

What is also intelligent is that the pistol in halo 2 was NOT stronger than an assault rifle, or a semi auto in the case of a br.

"I realise that it did seam akward to have a more powerful pistol than an assault rifle, but this was mainly due to the imbalance of the AR in Halo one interms of accuracy and power. Besides it was the concept of the pistol that many of the hardcore Halo 1 fans enjoy, a mid long weapons that balances the game as everyone has one, as is dependant on skill to use, it could have been anything other than a pistol, but it if served the same purpose it would have been equally praised."

so taking into account that there has to be an adequate (and clearly visible) scope on something for it to be able to "ZOOM IN" that completely make the pistol in halo:CE very --"unintelligent"--

"The scope on the pistol was digitally linked to the MC's HUD, meaning it was simply a camera on the front of the gun, much the same as both snipers , which are also digitally linked and not optically scoped. I find this --"Very intelligent"-- Also any true Halo fan would have at least a basic understanding of that and since "Lol, ok I am no dumbass with halo" I assumed you would know that"

a weather I am cool or not, well you are the one who is living in the past, u are a dumbass for thinking the pistol was ever a good idea and you are currently on the "halo3!" forum -blam!-ing about halo 2.

"It's not the pistol people want, its a gun similar to its concept which I mentioned above. The BR in halo 2 was a pistol like weapons, but the concept was foiled due to its high autoaim and magnitism."

If you are prepared to say if anyone that does not agree with you are uncool, maybe your should get better points than

"I was betrayed by bungie because halo 2 was not the exact same as halo 1, so I will make a big cult and winge about it on halo 2 and 3 forums and see if I can get anyone to like me"

"The purpose of a sequel is to take what people liked about the original and add to it, in this case Bungie decided not to keep the same great gameplay mechanics and therefor I do feel dissapointed and slightly betrayed about that."

you are absolutely pathetic and u say I suck too?, well that was hardly called for, weather or not u consider gamers as nerds or uncool, you are saying that we (as a community) suck, you being on a gaming forum, is that really the smartest thing to be saying now is it?

"Your not helping the situation by firing back at those who you speak about, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I thought you where " no dumbass in real life"."

Or as my good friend worded it

First off, i would just like to comment on the realistic value of the pistol in Halo: CE. Firstly, it has no scope, even though you are presented with the ability to zoom in. I believe that this feature was implemented to make up for the lack of a medium range weapon. This was probably on account of the lack of time Bungie actually had to produce this game.

"Mentioned above concerning the scope"

Secondly, I would like to address the effect this has on gameplay. This weapon is overpowered, and as such, it eliminated the use for just about every weapon in the game. The fact that Bungie decided to remedie this was a necessary, and timely action. The pistol in Halo2 was designed to be a last ditch attempt to preserve your life. It was designed to be used as a normal pistol would be on earth, which is where the first part of the game is set, and also where the human weapons come from.In gameplay, it can be used in tandem with other weapons, such as the SMG, Plasma rifel, or Plasma Pistol. This is so that once your opponents shield is down, you can execute a deadly headshot.

"At least it was balanced as everyone had one, and all the other weapons had there place."

"Noobs" such as yourself, fail to see the power of the new pistol, or duel wielding as another variable to the outcome of a confontation. The more variables, the variety of different outcomes increases. This serves to make these confrontations more exciting. This leads to better gameplay.

"Dual weilding creates imbalance and forces the developper to weaken certain weapons so that they are not overpowered when combined, mking them terrible when used alone."

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  • 05.10.2006 4:12 AM PDT

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  • 05.10.2006 4:14 AM PDT

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No I freaking told you to cut the hose off, if i told to pull it off then i would have said pull it off. Now you broke the AC you dumb ass.
Me to my mother.

^^just remembered sumfin^^ the mc needs both his hands to keep the pistol steady,even in the books he didnt dual weild with them,so to dual weild magnums would be like firing semi automatic overpowered smgs.

  • 05.10.2006 4:16 AM PDT

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  • 05.10.2006 4:17 AM PDT

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Lol, ok I am no dumbass with halo and also, I am no dumbass in real life

We'll see. I'm sitting on the fence in this argument but I can't help but put the boot in when someone makes idiotic statements.

"Noobs" such as yourself, fail to see the power of the new pistol, or duel wielding as another variable to the outcome of a confontation. The more variables, the variety of different outcomes increases. This serves to make these confrontations more exciting. This leads to better gameplay.

Wrong. It's just different gameplay which you prefer, not better. Your extra variables all revolve around close-range dual-wield spraying. (Note I did not refer to it as boring or unskilled) And by calling those who disagree with you noobs you show you are indeed a dumbass and no better than them.

By the way, I thought everyone knew it was perfectly clear the the pistol zoom from Halo 1 came from the MC's own optical technology, not the non-existant scope? It's been explained many times before.


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Well, just to say, the AR isn't outdated, it's an automatic rapid constant-fire rifle, which is more than can be said for the BR. I guess if it's a nice, wide, clean sweep you want, the AR's your gun, Whereas the BR's better for a ranged attack.
In this case, it looked more likely he was holding the AR. After taking several screenshots of the rifle in the clip, printing it off and comparing it with the one in H1's manual, I'd say he was almost definitely holding an AR.

P.S. If they do decide to bring back the scoped pistol, I wouldn't mind too much. as long as they don't take away my plasma-pistol + SMG combo. Remove the shield and shoot the soft flesh underneath, lol, MY kinda tactic! Oh yeah, I'd like to see the shotgun dual-wieldable, but fat chance of that unless the MC manages a way to -blam!- the pump with one hand! I've seen it done on da Terminator, but, eeh...

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HAHA THIS IS AWESOME!! The trailer made all the hairs on my arms and my neck stick up, i really hope the assault rifle is back!!

  • 05.10.2006 4:35 AM PDT
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Dual weilding ruins balanced gameplay don't you people see that, it makes single weapons obsolete. If you don't realise that then theres no point argueing.

  • 05.10.2006 4:38 AM PDT

long live the MA5-B AR!!

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I concur with the assessment that that was indeed an Assault Rifle. With a slight graphical upgrade. Certainly looked shinier.

My theory is that (Seeing as Earth is apparently conquered and such) the Chief isn't exactly going to be picky about what gun he uses to kill some aliens. Nor is he going to be picky about its used-by date. Bungie won a little of my faith back when I saw that Rifle in the Chief's hands. Personally, I hope they replace the SMG. The sheer power and feel of the AR (especially for supressing fire, as someone mentioned) made it my favourite weapon of Halo: Combat Evolved.

And as for the African rebel idea, I don't think it holds water. With the level of technology we have seen in the games and the novels, if rebels or terrorists still existed, Earth would mostly be a large smoking crater.....bad example. It would be a large non-Covenant-made crater.

The reason I think the Assault Rifle would be around naturally, without need for rebels, is because (even after 2 months) the military would still have some branches (is that the right word? I was thinking regiments, battalions...dunno) still using the old Assault Rifle. Hopefully some commanders laughed when they heard the SMG was to replace it.

That little part of me that died every time I heard the popcorn-making sound effects for the SMG-firing is now alive and well.

I can't wait to jam down my finger on the trigger and really feel I'm doing some damage to those 500 grunts in the room.

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Why do I get the feeling that in Halo 3 we'll see:

A.) The return of the Assault Rifle

B.) The return of the Battle Rifle

C.) The return of pissed off fanboys.

There's ONE and ONLY ONE way that the Halo 1 pistol could work in Halo 3 with dual weilding, and that's cutting it's power in half. Six shots to the head is still alot of power, and dual weilding them would lower the accuracy but also mark the return of the 'three' shot kill.

I don't think SMG's will return. If they do, they need to be more powerful than the AR when being dual-weilded.

One thing I want to know however, is the Needler going to be, you know, useful? I mean, my sig pretty much says it all.

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well lets see here day one...first level of halo 1.....landed on halo...truth and reconciliation was the first night....level 4...level 5.....level 6 was the 2nd night...entering day 3.....level 7 8 and 9 are all one night the final level was the 4th day.........start of halo 2....the timeline on this may be a little tricky due to multiple campaigns and locations.....

the night of day 4........or maybe night 4 wtf ever.......first level immediatly after the destruction of halo....attack on earth that day.....which makes it day 5.........all one day up until you start the arbiter campaign....next chief level is daytime....directly after they left earth...maybe another day....day 6....assaination o' prohets.....underwater'd captured by that dude.....next mission is at night.... and the very last one....then he leaves on that ship thing.........end of halo 2....oh look dudes about 6 days for both games.....and ill give you maybe 2 days for unshown footage...like traveling between locations and stuff....



theres 5729592 possibilites as to the explanation of the weapon.....

chief lost his BR...ended up with an AR....

chief didnt like his BR....took an AR instead.....

bungie could have made up some kind of story so chief ended up with an AR due to gamers liking the AR better......so it was an attempt to favor the popular demand....

explanation of longer barrel and less "chunkier" look? graphics maybe? the graphics are so much better they cannot make an exact replica of the Halo 1 AR......




hmmm what about the AR BR combo??? you know....assault rifle takes place of the SMG....omg who would have thunk!?!??! which brings another explanation


sometimes the SMG was considered the "main" weapon for the chief in halo 2....like in some screenshots and videos....maybe they kept the automatic weapon as the main one for this video.....but the AR takes place of the SMG instead of the Battle Rifle...so you have no pistol....but a BR for mid to long range...and an AR for short range....omg!!!!!! what am i going to do with myself

as for the guy in halo one saying...."we will find YOUR weapons later".....dude stfu and go die.....he said we will find your weapons cause you know the chief has a weapon....and its his...cause he uses it all the time...........he doesnt get issued a new AR everytime he enters battle.....he enters a ship...hands over his AR....the crew stores it somewhere...oh look its still the one he was using and will prolly keep using....when he says your weapon its just a general term for a weapon he will be using....more spartans???? dudes




read the halo books..i swear to freaking god you will love them...ive read them all and i have such a greater respect for the storyline its unbelievable....and for what may happen in halo 3 i very highly recommend reading them....i hate reading so much....but i read the 350 page book in about 36 hours...you wont be able to put it (them) down....theres 3 of em.....




i guess nobody knows what is going to happen....theres so many possibilites....so many guesses...predictions...arguments....no one is going to know exactly until that day halo 3 comes out or bugie spills the beans and tells everyone everything!


any questions? take it up with me on xbox live....youll get owned.....and then ill answer your questions


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well lets see here day one...first level of halo 1.....landed on halo...truth and reconciliation was the first night....level 4...level 5.....level 6 was the 2nd night...entering day 3.....level 7 8 and 9 are all one night the final level was the 4th day.........start of halo 2....the timeline on this may be a little tricky due to multiple campaigns and locations.....

the night of day 4........or maybe night 4 wtf ever.......first level immediatly after the destruction of halo....attack on earth that day.....which makes it day 5.........all one day up until you start the arbiter campaign....next chief level is daytime....directly after they left earth...maybe another day....day 6....assaination o' prohets.....underwater'd captured by that dude.....next mission is at night.... and the very last one....then he leaves on that ship thing.........end of halo 2....oh look dudes about 6 days for both games.....and ill give you maybe 2 days for unshown footage...like traveling between locations and stuff....



theres 5729592 possibilites as to the explanation of the weapon.....

chief lost his BR...ended up with an AR....

chief didnt like his BR....took an AR instead.....

bungie could have made up some kind of story so chief ended up with an AR due to gamers liking the AR better......so it was an attempt to favor the popular demand....

explanation of longer barrel and less "chunkier" look? graphics maybe? the graphics are so much better they cannot make an exact replica of the Halo 1 AR......




hmmm what about the AR BR combo??? you know....assault rifle takes place of the SMG....omg who would have thunk!?!??! which brings another explanation


sometimes the SMG was considered the "main" weapon for the chief in halo 2....like in some screenshots and videos....maybe they kept the automatic weapon as the main one for this video.....but the AR takes place of the SMG instead of the Battle Rifle...so you have no pistol....but a BR for mid to long range...and an AR for short range....omg!!!!!! what am i going to do with myself

as for the guy in halo one saying...."we will find YOUR weapons later".....dude stfu and go die.....he said we will find your weapons cause you know the chief has a weapon....and its his...cause he uses it all the time...........he doesnt get issued a new AR everytime he enters battle.....he enters a ship...hands over his AR....the crew stores it somewhere...oh look its still the one he was using and will prolly keep using....when he says your weapon its just a general term for a weapon he will be using....more spartans???? dudes




read the halo books..i swear to freaking god you will love them...ive read them all and i have such a greater respect for the storyline its unbelievable....and for what may happen in halo 3 i very highly recommend reading them....i hate reading so much....but i read the 350 page book in about 36 hours...you wont be able to put it (them) down....theres 3 of em.....




i guess nobody knows what is going to happen....theres so many possibilites....so many guesses...predictions...arguments....no one is going to know exactly until that day halo 3 comes out or bugie spills the beans and tells everyone everything!


any questions? take it up with me on xbox live....youll get owned.....and then ill answer your questions


foxygrandpa13


So true. I really don't care, but and AR should have like different firing modes, so you could make it an AR and a BR at the same time.

  • 05.10.2006 4:56 AM PDT