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Subject: Was that an Assault Rifle?
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i personally think things are quite odd....i mean this is in a way off topic....but like look at technology now in 2006....rifles that can shoot acurately to hundreds of yards....machine guns that can shoot rapidly too...but still accurate....missile launchers that can heat seek to targets through hills and buildings...500 years later i think they would be able to have an AR with the same automatic fire..but the acuracey of sayyy....an M60 or a SAW...i do suppose its for the games sake....but even in WW2...the BAR was accurate while firing automatically...i dont know...wtf.....weapons make the game though...they really do...im taking like strategically wise....like in a CTF game....not halo in general....but i mean hey....blood gulch...start with AR's...you pick up a BR...boom you have such an advantage over everyone

personally i think everyone should have those advantages like everyone starts with a BR so they have the long range ability...thats what i didnt like about halo 2 before the very first update...everyuone started with SMG's...and you played team slayer on coagulation....the oposing team gets one BR...he kills you all because your SMG does not have range over 5 inches


i think i might have contradicted myself many times in this reply....but i have mixed opinions on the whole thing every situation has its advantages and disadvantages



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  • 05.10.2006 5:12 AM PDT
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Bungie didn't make the weapons what they really should be after 500 years of developement because of the gameplay issue.

There are already weapons that can fire a million rounds a minute... Imagine 500 years from now. There will be virtually no man-to-man warfare at that point, because one machine could kill thousands in the blink of an eye.

by the way, google "metal storm"

  • 05.10.2006 5:27 AM PDT
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f that the AR is the awesomest gun and most defiantly not outdated. the AR kicks so much butt

  • 05.10.2006 5:30 AM PDT

Saying that the rifle that more closely resembles an AR - in almost EVERY single way - than a BR, is actually a BR is just as absurd as saying that because the AI character in the trailer looks superficially disimilar from the Cortana of H2 - whose physical appearance differed from the original as well, I might add - that the AI in the trailer for H3 is a brand new character.

It's a completely ridiculous idea.

  • 05.10.2006 5:51 AM PDT

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Tool is terrible. Dream Theater > Tool.

Anyways, it looks like a cross between the BR and AR. It has the BR butt, AR body, and BR muzzle.

  • 05.10.2006 5:54 AM PDT
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If the Covenant have taken over Earth, then standard issue weapons may be harder to come by considering the UNSC may be wiped out or is close to being wiped out. He may have had to resort to "older" weapons that had been put in storage with the advent of the BR.

  • 05.10.2006 5:58 AM PDT
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I just hope the AR is more accurate in Halo 3 than it was in Halo 1.

The AR in Halo 1 was a bullet hose.

  • 05.10.2006 5:59 AM PDT

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Tool is terrible. Dream Theater > Tool.

Anyways, it looks like a cross between the BR and AR. It has the BR butt, AR body, and BR muzzle.


9-minute coma inducing prog muso onanism > Dreary slit-your-wrists self-obsessed whining?

I'd have to say I find them equally pointless :-)

It looks a lot more like the AR than the BR in my opinion... I think the lack of bulk can be attributed more to the newer, more realistic graphical style, all I really see from the BR is the extended barrel section.

  • 05.10.2006 6:00 AM PDT
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I shall throw in the mandatory unrequisitioned vote: I think it is the AR, but here's what I'm thinking would be cool:

Battle Rifle - Return in H3 EXACTLY AS IS - With optional full auto mode when un-zoomed and make the zoom mode 3X instead of 2X. It would make a little clearer the distinction between the AR and the BR and make up for all those times that your opponent was *just a little too far away* to shot them with the BR zoomed.

Assault Rifle - Return in H3 with a 60 round clip, longer barrel for better accuracy, and a mix of rounds that can be utilized. I think in First Strike some of the 'new' (Halo 2) weapons utilized the same ammo, so this would make the AR a bit more balanced as it would have its own unique ammunition that could be hard to find - but too, think about this...

In the books, and in a classical weapon's setting, there are 3 types of rounds:

Shredder - I'm not 100% on this, but the shredder rounds could be fragmentary rounds that enter the body and separate upon exit, causing more damage. Think of the purple mist from an elites head with these babies!
HE - High Explosive - Can you say human needles that travel super-sonic?
Normal - A typical bullet, goes in one side and out the other.

Now that the X360 has the secondary finger triggers, I'd love to see more changes like these implemented. One for changing which grenade you use and another to manipulate some kind of weapon toggle. It would be insane.

H3 is THE reason I'm going to buy a 360 and I have faith that it will be awesome. I think in general the weapons from H2 need more work than those in H1 strictly because of the disappearing bullets syndrome. Shoot a wall with the H2 shotty, back up 30 feet, and shoot again, the bullets don't hit - they disappear! The same thing happens with the SMG - its this unreasonable effect that lends itself to the 'wft!' moments - but it can all be fixed.

Oh yah, I want a pelican too.

Theron

The fix for the needler is easy too - make the rounds travel faster. Give them say 50% more oomph! and it would work. BOOMIE!

  • 05.10.2006 6:03 AM PDT
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I sure hope it is a AR and I agree with most that want the pistol back, my noob combo is plasma then pistol 2 shots. lol Oh on the Needles, just bring them back like in Halo they were great in the first game.

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If you freeze the frame as the MC shows the so called 'AR' closest to the screen, does anyone else notice that it has three defined parts? The top grey bit, and darker grey body and and black underbelly, each which have bolts of some kind holding them to the gun. Now this is just an idea, but is it possible that these are adjustments that could be made so the BR that could make it act like a AR like you can do with most modern weaponry today? The main body does look remarkably similar to the BR, and thinner than the orginal AR. Plus the top grey bit is open underneath the guns barrel. That's my ideas anyway, Bungie's way of getting a more realistic as well as the classic weapon back.

  • 05.10.2006 6:11 AM PDT
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http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/SunBlade12/as.jpg

THE AR BABBY! NICE!

Picture of the Halo 1 AR

http://www.covenant-clan.co.uk/human_3.jpg

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  • 05.10.2006 6:11 AM PDT
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wow anuthika.. what a n00b. ok so youve read the books, right? then you should know that there was also a rifle called the MA2B, a downgraded version of the MA5B seen in Halo 1. so it is entirely possible that it has been upgraded. think about it, with the weapon balance system in Halo 2, the assault rifle would fit perfectly inbetween the SMG and the BR. think before you speak.

  • 05.10.2006 6:11 AM PDT

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That was an Assault Rifle, with minor changes, but its basicallt identical to the ones used in Halo: CE

  • 05.10.2006 6:17 AM PDT
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i also think it is an AR and BR put together. or its just an AR but more accurate and powerfull.

  • 05.10.2006 6:26 AM PDT
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I still think my ideas a little more logical, because I doubt an AR and a BR would have been combined in the short space the MC was gone while a war was raging right over their heads. And if it had been created before, why haven't we heard of anything like this before? Bungie tend to tie things together in their novels and we have no knowledge of anything like this. Besides, those bolts on it when compared to the original AR are so out of place.

  • 05.10.2006 6:31 AM PDT
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Its an Assualt Rifle...

  • 05.10.2006 6:36 AM PDT
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screw the H2 weapons they sucked big monkey balls and the grenades were so weak they couldn't kill a grunt but the old school weapons were powerful and kicked ass

um, I agree, I guess. . . . .

  • 05.10.2006 6:39 AM PDT
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yeah i agree...massive amounts of kills in like 2 seconds in 500 years...but im sure mankind will be beyond bullets by then.........like laser warfare or something no one has ever heard of,....500 years? who the heck knows what it will be like by then

but yes weapons are the way they are because of gameplay...of course


i personally would like the battle rifle and assault rifle

the plasma rifle that freezes people

more powerful grenades, and more types...like phospherous or somethin cool

no more duel weilding...im not going to lie i thought it was sooo cool at first but it got kind of old and i didnt really like it al that much....or if you keep it...at least lessen the advantages...like make it more unaccurate....even more recoil

do something....ANYTHING with the needler.....either get rid of it...or make it worth picking up

i would say things like....a bigger sniper magazine and more ammo...but sniping is already way to dominant already......or like miniguns....but theres already the machine gun warthogs and turrets....and a minigun would own anyway...nothing would stand a chance

i think they should include more warthogs....like the troop transport one that they were considering for halo 2


more powerful tanks...especially the scorpion..i cant count how many times ive shot a guy right at his feet...and the shell would not kill him....i think they should be a dominant part of the game though...cause really when you think about it in halo 2...like in big team or in multi team you step in a tank and like less than a minute later your dead....i think the tanks should have a damage meter such as the vehicles in halo 1....so like..you cant get killed by bullets while driving it...but the enemy still has a chance where they can destroy it and make you come out either dead or weak...


a crew for the tanks....like a driver, gunner and machine gunner...i think that would bring a new concept to the game


theres so many things i could only wish for...the list is endless


foxygrandpa13


try to google minigun................im sure youve heard of those before

  • 05.10.2006 6:48 AM PDT
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The AR in halo : CE is MA5*B*, so why wouldn't there be a new AR called MA5C?

And for the needler, it's fun to use, but pretty useless. I haven't tried Legendary at all, but at least on Heroic it's pretty much useless. It's better in Halo 2, but it isn't too good anyway.

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  • 05.10.2006 7:10 AM PDT
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yeah its pretty useless for any situation...except against people who are jsut standing still

  • 05.10.2006 7:13 AM PDT

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Of everything that was in that trailer, the AR has to be in the game now. Bungie cant scratch something like that.

  • 05.10.2006 7:15 AM PDT
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i dont really care which weapons they have but im sure they will rock ; )

  • 05.10.2006 7:20 AM PDT
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That stupid Pistol is way to strong its even more powerfull that the sniper rifle so it sucks big way. but the AR wouldnt be a same to be in the game

  • 05.10.2006 7:32 AM PDT