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Subject: Nearly every map in this game sucks ass
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Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Dark Hunter21
What exactly is "wrong" with the maps? I would rather hear people's reasons than listen to everyone blindly shout their opinion.

My main problem about them is that they are uncreative. They default nonForge World maps are exact copy's of areas from the campaign. The Forge world maps all look the same, and are badly designed.

They designed them for Multiplayer and then put them in Campaign.

At least get it right.

  • 12.24.2011 11:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Dark Hunter21
What exactly is "wrong" with the maps? I would rather hear people's reasons than listen to everyone blindly shout their opinion.

My main problem about them is that they are uncreative. They default nonForge World maps are exact copy's of areas from the campaign. The Forge world maps all look the same, and are badly designed.

They designed them for Multiplayer and then put them in Campaign.

At least get it right.

It still doesn't make a difference what came first. It's still being uncreative.

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Posted by: william ian
Well done, you're making a complaint others made a year ago.


And yet the bad maps are still in the game.

They can't hear you over the money they're making over the better quality DLC maps.


The pre-Anniversary maps aren't that much better, honestly.
Defiant was brilliant.


Defiant was alright. Condemned isn't as fun as I thought it would be. It's just another grenade-chucking fest in the peripheral areas. I wouldn't say it's as bad as the launch maps, though.

I have no complaints about Highlands. I've enjoyed it every time I've played on it.

Unearthed was just kind of a bad Firefight map, IMO. There's no incentive to move outside the starting room. Everywhere else you're pretty much out in the open and can get surrounded easily. It's kinda like Holdout. There's no real reason to move outside the starting room because it gives you everything you need (ammo and grenade case) right out of the gate and your enemies all funnel through an easy to manage route. Granted, Courtyard does the same thing more or less, but the starting space is small enough where things get hairy if an explosive-weilding enemy comes in. There's very little maneuverability.

Defiant wasn't horrible, but it also wasn't amazing, again, in my opinion.



[Edited on 12.24.2011 11:51 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2011 11:42 AM PDT


Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Dark Hunter21
What exactly is "wrong" with the maps? I would rather hear people's reasons than listen to everyone blindly shout their opinion.

My main problem about them is that they are uncreative. They default nonForge World maps are exact copy's of areas from the campaign. The Forge world maps all look the same, and are badly designed.


I agree on the first part. While Bungie actually made the multiplayer maps before the Campaign, it still seems each that was linked to Campaign was rather bland. For some reason I like Powerhouse. I think its because its color scheme is similar to High Ground H3. And if turn a blind eye to camping with the hammer, its an ok map.

The forge maps do look ugly, but at least they have some quality of balance, something even some of the default maps don't have.

[Edited on 12.24.2011 11:49 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2011 11:45 AM PDT

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How about we list the ones that don't suck, it will be faster.

  • 12.24.2011 11:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kira Onime
How about we list the ones that don't suck, it will be faster.

-Solitary (Prisoner remake).
-Penance (Damnation remake).
-Breakneck (Headlong remake).
-Ridgeline (Timberland remake).
-High Noon (Hang 'em High remake).
-Battle Canyon (Beaver Creak remake).
That was easy.

  • 12.24.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dark Hunter21
What exactly is "wrong" with the maps? I would rather hear people's reasons than listen to everyone blindly shout their opinion.


a variety of things:

-spawns across gametypes (from slayer reflection to flag zealot)
-lines of sight
-weapon balance
-vehicle balance
-height advantage/disadvantage
-unbalanced team spawns
-etc

  • 12.24.2011 11:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Kira Onime
How about we list the ones that don't suck, it will be faster.

-Solitary (Prisoner remake).


Actually, quite a number of people regard Prisoner as one of the worst maps in Reach.

  • 12.24.2011 11:59 AM PDT
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I just agree with a lot of things he says.

  • 12.24.2011 12:06 PM PDT

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  • 12.24.2011 12:10 PM PDT

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Even the DLC maps were meh at best.

Sanctuary, Nexus, Zealot, Countdown, Oasis, Pit work well for MLG settings, hell even Reach settings. The problem isn't just the maps, its the game as well. Zealot, why lifts to space? What was the point of that? Asylum!? WHY!? Why couldn't they just do a true remake? I play in on Windows live H2 all the time. I miss the colors. Now I get this gray chunk of -blam!-?

Regardless, why do DLC maps have screen lag?
Condemned
Tempest
Prisoner
Hang Em'High

All New/er maps that have screen lag. WTF

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  • 12.24.2011 12:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
All New/er maps that have screen lag. WTF

Highlands.
Scope across map.
Rage!

  • 12.24.2011 12:20 PM PDT

What's wrong with the maps in this game? I like all of them except Reflection and that horse -blam!- trio of maps they recently added to the Slayer playlist (eden prime, chateau & renova)

  • 12.24.2011 12:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
All New/er maps that have screen lag. WTF

Highlands.
Scope across map.
Rage!


Prisoner- Look down with any weapon that has a scope.

Not even going to waste a bullet.

  • 12.24.2011 12:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: Iron Div is Pro
All New/er maps that have screen lag. WTF
Highlands.
Scope across map.
Rage!
Prisoner- Look down with any weapon that has a scope.

Not even going to waste a bullet.
Damn glass floors I tell yeah!.
CA's mind: Aesthetics > gameplay

  • 12.24.2011 12:37 PM PDT


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Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Kira Onime
How about we list the ones that don't suck, it will be faster.

-Solitary (Prisoner remake).


Actually, quite a number of people regard Prisoner as one of the worst maps in Reach.


I personally dislike Prisoner but it is one map that benefits from the addition of the Jetpack mechanic.

  • 12.24.2011 12:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sir Swagalot
What's wrong with the maps in this game? I like all of them except Reflection and that horse -blam!- trio of maps they recently added to the Slayer playlist (eden prime, chateau & renova)


You mean you like Uncaged, Pinnacle, Think Twice, Precipice, and Sword Base?

  • 12.24.2011 12:39 PM PDT

Boltshot = mini shotgun

Your opinion is showing.

  • 12.24.2011 12:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Your opinion is showing.


It isn't my opinion--it's a fact that these maps are bad. They're plagued by bad spawns, bad weapon balance, bad lines of sight, bad performance (screen lag), and just bad overall design in general.

Watch how these maps play with 2 extremely talented teams. An example wouled be Sword Base, Uncaged, Reflection, Pinnacle, etc. These maps favor one team over the other.

The only 'opinions' in these threads are whether or not you like the maps in spite of their flaws.

  • 12.24.2011 12:44 PM PDT


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Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Kira Onime
How about we list the ones that don't suck, it will be faster.

-Solitary (Prisoner remake).


Actually, quite a number of people regard Prisoner as one of the worst maps in Reach.

I only think that it's the worst Anni map, and that's mainly because of the spawning. Honestly, Solitary has some good Forge potential within its space.

  • 12.24.2011 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Your opinion is showing.


It isn't my opinion--it's a fact that these maps are bad. They're plagued by bad spawns, bad weapon balance, bad lines of sight, bad performance (screen lag), and just bad overall design in general.

Watch how these maps play with 2 extremely talented teams. An example wouled be Sword Base, Uncaged, Reflection, Pinnacle, etc. These maps favor one team over the other.

The only 'opinions' in these threads are whether or not you like the maps in spite of their flaws.

Still opinion.
And my opinion is, most forge world maps have bad spawning. And Derp Base.

  • 12.24.2011 12:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Blaze of Storm

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Posted by: Blaze of Storm
Your opinion is showing.


It isn't my opinion--it's a fact that these maps are bad. They're plagued by bad spawns, bad weapon balance, bad lines of sight, bad performance (screen lag), and just bad overall design in general.

Watch how these maps play with 2 extremely talented teams. An example wouled be Sword Base, Uncaged, Reflection, Pinnacle, etc. These maps favor one team over the other.

The only 'opinions' in these threads are whether or not you like the maps in spite of their flaws.

Still opinion.
And my opinion is, most forge world maps have bad spawning. And Derp Base.


We can toss around 'opinion' all day because we know everything is opinionated. Which is why we say 'fact' to differentiate between opinions that matter and those that do not.

It's a 'fact' that most forge world maps have bad spawning. We don't need to delve into each individual's opinion who's said that because these opinions are collectively correct. Therefore, we don't waste the energy discussing it.

In plain English, this means my OP is still correct. These maps are bad because of the objective evidence presented towards them, such as bad spawns. For instance, it isn't an opinion that Zealot has bad flag away spawns. It's a fact, and many posters have explained why. It isn't an opinion that Sword Base, Uncaged, and Reflection favor one team over the other. It's a fact, and many posters with relevant opinions have explained why.

Again, we can toss around 'opinion' all day, but the differentiation has already been made. Fact on this forum = relevant opinion.

  • 12.24.2011 12:54 PM PDT

its cuz im black!

This game wasn't really that big compared to the trilogy anyways.

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