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Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
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Posted by: Failure
The pistol was ahead of its time. Retro is innovative if you want to go by that train of thought.

A valid point. But then they would have to re-scale all the weapon damage to adjust to that ol pistol feel if you know what I mean. Retro would/could be innovative.. if you had the masses screaming bloody murder at Bungie's front door, I think that they were doing something right in Halo 2 with the pistol. That being said it could use some minor tweaking in my opinion.

(Got to fly! I'll try and post more specifically on this later)


Yeah, perhaps slightly more damage. that's the kinda tweak I'd like to see

  • 05.10.2006 5:14 PM PDT
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O cuz everything we say makes them redo everything they have up to that point?

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Posted by: Firebird8889
I say give Halo 3's pistol the strength of Halo 1's but take off the scope and lower the accuracy

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Posted by: weeazel
thats why its a video game you moron. have you noticed you can kill people with 2 melee attacks?

is THAT unrealistic????


your new, go play Halo 2


Two melees is perfectly logical and realistic. The armor enhances their moving abilities. When they punch concrete it shatters. They could probably pick up a Warthog.

"Press x to flip" :P

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Posted by: alavantar
Posted by: weeazel
thats why its a video game you moron. have you noticed you can kill people with 2 melee attacks?

is THAT unrealistic????


your new, go play Halo 2


Two melees is perfectly logical and realistic. The armor enhances their moving abilities. When they punch concrete it shatters. They could probably pick up a Warthog.

"Press x to flip" :P


LOL good catch! But yeah... more damage. dual wield. period. =P

  • 05.10.2006 5:18 PM PDT

[22:08] [JohnHoward:] The Halo 1 pistol wasn't a mistake...
[22:08] [JohnHoward:] It was also intended to be the ultimate hold out weapon...
[22:09] [JohnHoward:] I always believe that balance is about giving each weapon / ability / whatever it's own perfect situation.


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Posted by: Nedus
Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.


I can't beleive my eyes when I read posts like this. I want you to seriously think about what it took to even hit someone in the first place with a Pistol, and than tink about it with a BR. Getting nowhere, I'm guessing. Let me think for you:

It's been complained about time and time again about Halo 2 that there is autoaim, and massive amounts of it at that. This applies to headshots as well as body shots. Sure, there's no autoaim at extreme range, but no players who really care about the good nature of the game play on a huge level like Coag, where the autoaim be out-ranged and Sniper Rifles dominate unfairly.

The pistol however, did not have that extensive autoaim. Yes, the reticle was noticeable sticky, to compensate for the fact that the game was being played with a controller, rather than a mouse. Regaurdless, this means jack crap when firing long distance. Why? Pistol bullets don't move instantly. When you're playing as host or on a lan, you still need to lead your shots at medium to far range because the bullets take a split second to reach your target. Since there is no autoaim on a headshot, aiming at the upper cheast/neck area won't give you a headshot. Sure, you can go for body, body, head. But the tiny sticky aiming in H1 is not enough to keep your reticle on your target, unlike the Halo 2 BR's autoaim. All of this makes the pistol take more to win against another pistol weilder. The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer.

Another thing, since the BR autoaim "takes over" in a way amoung players of equal skill, winning a fight usually means getting in the first shot, unless you are outclassed hopelessly. In Halo 1, winning a fight meant that you concentrated and pulled off the diffulcult headshots in a faster manner than your opponent, or you could have gotten 5 bodyshots if you want to risk it. Either way, you killed the other person faster than he could kill you, usually ignoring who shot who first unless there is a huge player skill gap. Hmm. With a BR, the first shot wins between players of near equal skill. With an HE Pistol, the first shot wins only if the player is more skilled in the first place. The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer.

Even if you disregaurd everything I just said, your post is still flawed. A "perfect kill" with a BR can be pulled off with 3 body shots and 1 headshot. This means that you only needs 1/4 headshots, and 3/4 body shots. With a pistol, it takes 2 body shots and one headshot. That's 1/3 headshots, and 2/3 body shots.

3/4 > 2/3

So don't say that "BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does." It's the other way around, buddy. Sorry.

The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer, no matter what you or anyone says.

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Posted by: Nedus
Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.


I can't beleive my eyes when I read posts like this. I want you to seriously think about what it took to even hit someone in the first place with a Pistol, and than tink about it with a BR. Getting nowhere, I'm guessing. Let me think for you:

It's been complained about time and time again about Halo 2 that there is autoaim, and massive amounts of it at that. This applies to headshots as well as body shots. Sure, there's no autoaim at extreme range, but no players who really care about the good nature of the game play on a huge level like Coag, where the autoaim be out-ranged and Sniper Rifles dominate unfairly.

The pistol however, did not have that extensive autoaim. Yes, the reticle was noticeable sticky, to compensate for the fact that the game was being played with a controller, rather than a mouse. Regaurdless, this means jack crap when firing long distance. Why? Pistol bullets don't move instantly. When you're playing as host or on a lan, you still need to lead your shots at medium to far range because the bullets take a split second to reach your target. Since there is no autoaim on a headshot, aiming at the upper cheast/neck area won't give you a headshot. Sure, you can go for body, body, head. But the tiny sticky aiming in H1 is not enough to keep your reticle on your target, unlike the Halo 2 BR's autoaim. All of this makes the pistol take more to win against another pistol weilder. The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer.

Another thing, since the BR autoaim "takes over" in a way amoung players of equal skill, winning a fight usually means getting in the first shot, unless you are outclassed hopelessly. In Halo 1, winning a fight meant that you concentrated and pulled off the diffulcult headshots in a faster manner than your opponent, or you could have gotten 5 bodyshots if you want to risk it. Either way, you killed the other person faster than he could kill you, usually ignoring who shot who first unless there is a huge player skill gap. Hmm. With a BR, the first shot wins between players of near equal skill. With an HE Pistol, the first shot wins only if the player is more skilled in the first place. The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer.

Even if you disregaurd everything I just said, your post is still flawed. A "perfect kill" with a BR can be pulled off with 3 body shots and 1 headshot. This means that you only needs 1/4 headshots, and 3/4 body shots. With a pistol, it takes 2 body shots and one headshot. That's 1/3 headshots, and 2/3 body shots.

3/4 > 2/3

So don't say that "BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does." It's the other way around, buddy. Sorry.

The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer, no matter what you or anyone says.


winner

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one it had a spope two it look cool when it reload three this my friends opinion it looked sexy when you used it on melee

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Posted by: ghost91
Posted by: I Hitzel I
Posted by: Nedus
Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.


I can't beleive my eyes when I read posts like this. I want you to seriously think about what it took to even hit someone in the first place with a Pistol, and than tink about it with a BR. Getting nowhere, I'm guessing. Let me think for you:

It's been complained about time and time again about Halo 2 that there is autoaim, and massive amounts of it at that. This applies to headshots as well as body shots. Sure, there's no autoaim at extreme range, but no players who really care about the good nature of the game play on a huge level like Coag, where the autoaim be out-ranged and Sniper Rifles dominate unfairly.

The pistol however, did not have that extensive autoaim. Yes, the reticle was noticeable sticky, to compensate for the fact that the game was being played with a controller, rather than a mouse. Regaurdless, this means jack crap when firing long distance. Why? Pistol bullets don't move instantly. When you're playing as host or on a lan, you still need to lead your shots at medium to far range because the bullets take a split second to reach your target. Since there is no autoaim on a headshot, aiming at the upper cheast/neck area won't give you a headshot. Sure, you can go for body, body, head. But the tiny sticky aiming in H1 is not enough to keep your reticle on your target, unlike the Halo 2 BR's autoaim. All of this makes the pistol take more to win against another pistol weilder. The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer.

Another thing, since the BR autoaim "takes over" in a way amoung players of equal skill, winning a fight usually means getting in the first shot, unless you are outclassed hopelessly. In Halo 1, winning a fight meant that you concentrated and pulled off the diffulcult headshots in a faster manner than your opponent, or you could have gotten 5 bodyshots if you want to risk it. Either way, you killed the other person faster than he could kill you, usually ignoring who shot who first unless there is a huge player skill gap. Hmm. With a BR, the first shot wins between players of near equal skill. With an HE Pistol, the first shot wins only if the player is more skilled in the first place. The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer.

Even if you disregaurd everything I just said, your post is still flawed. A "perfect kill" with a BR can be pulled off with 3 body shots and 1 headshot. This means that you only needs 1/4 headshots, and 3/4 body shots. With a pistol, it takes 2 body shots and one headshot. That's 1/3 headshots, and 2/3 body shots.

3/4 > 2/3

So don't say that "BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does." It's the other way around, buddy. Sorry.

The better player prevails. In conclusion, the pistol is a better game balancer, no matter what you or anyone says.


winner


DING DING *PWNED*

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I see a lot of posts about the pistol being too accurate and powerful. Well try this, go to Hang 'em High and have one person stand on top of one base and and another stand on top of the other base. Have one person use the pistol and try to hit the other person on the other base with it. Its not to accurate now. Anyone with Halo 1 sense would know that strafing with the Plasma Rifle and stunning the enemy with it easily beats the pistol. The Battle Rifle was almost the worst attempt ever to replace the pistol in Halo 1. Halo 2 has such high autoaim that all you have to do is point in the general direction to get a lot of shots. The pistol is way less accurate than the Battle Rifle. The Assault Rifle as the starting weapon was the best because you had a great chance at close to mid ranges unlike the SMG. The shotgun should be better for greater distances that 5 feet also. I am like most of you who played against people who only use the pistol, but here is where that word "skill" comes into play by knowing how to beat pistol abusers by strafing or "dancing" with the Plasma Rifle or using controlled Assault Rifle bursts. Some of you I could tell right off that you had been with the Halo series for a while, some, like me, have been with it since Christmas of 2001 when Halo was released. A lot of you joined the Halo series when Halo 2 came out and have biased opinions about the first game. You think Halo 2 is the holy grail of FPS and can't accept in any shape form or fashion that there is any faults in the game. Halo 1's pistol made quick work of rocket, shotgun, or sniper abusers. Consider this, last Halo LAN I was at, it was 4 on 4 in Halo 2, all they did was manage to get the Battle Rifle, Shotgun, Rocket, and Sniper, and they spawned us the entire game, with us starting with the SMG and no grenades. You call that balanced?! In Halo 1 the Assault Rifle and pistol would have made quick work of them. Thats why people liked it, it balanced the game. If you haven't noticed, if you shooting from one base in Hang 'em High at the other with the pistol, maby one out of 5-7 rounds actually hit where you cross hair says it will. And the scope, if any of you Halo 2 fanboys have ever even read the manual for Halo you would know that it says the scope is "smart-linked" meaning that bump on the end of the pistol is a scope, but it communicates with the chief's armor. Thats why the pistol is as accurate as it is, and thats why it has no traditional eyepiece to look through. If the pistol needed anything it would be only a 4 head shot kill instead of 3, but if half of you knew what the heck you were talking about you would know that beating the pistol is not all that hard in mid to short ranges.

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I like your sig, and i love the Plasma Rifles freeze (from halo 1).

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 5:31 PM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: ghost91
Posted by: Nedus
I admit, I did get the number wrong. After a year or so, is it so unexpected? I would load up Halo 1 to see, but I have nobody to play with. My grandma doesn't play Halo.

Still, like I said before, even if I was wrong, the BR takes more shots. So again, the BR needs a headshot a bit more than the pistol does.

At least you didn't go about calling me an idiot or a noob for forgetting an obscure number. You're one of those intelligent pistol lovers. Rare, they are.


I consider you load up halo anyway to remind your self of the aiming in halo it is much more difficult then in halo 2. The fact that the BR requires one more shot does not means it require more skill.


To me, the aiming is the same. If you find it difficult, then that's you individually.

The pistol and BR both have their ups and downs. Let's look at them.

Pistol

-Higher ROF

-More powerful(If you all are right, 6 shots to kill, even though I remember it taking like 4-5)

-No reliance on connection in online games.


Battle Rifle

-Slower ROF

-Less powerful(At least 7-8 body shots to kill, or three body and one head)

-Relies on connection in terms of power and accuracy. On XBL, a host can use a BR across Colossus with no loss in power or accuracy, but everyone else suffers low accuracy and crap damage. Also, the three bullet burst isn't as effective when shooting a horizontally moving target, as only 1-2 bullets will connect.

Generally, XBL is where you use the BR against others, where skill actually counts. I take into consideration the effects of connection and things like that when I compare the two.

When on a LAN, the BR is like the pistol, in that three shots will pierce the shields, but is still weaker in terms of bodily damage. On XBL, this holds true, but is a bit harder at medium to long range. You have to lead your shots so they walk into the bullets.

Please, consider all of those points, Now do you still think the pistol "takes more skill"?


when i'm fairly close to someone, just far away enough that i need to scope in, every BR bullet in the burst hits no matter what. i can swipe my crosshair over someone's head for all 4 shots and they die when there's no way all 3 bullets could've possibly hit him, but .... -sigh- good ole autoaim

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Nothing personal...

Posted by: ghost91
Let's put ourself in a situation where we are stabed in the side so it is a challenge to fight a retard. This reasoning completly undermines the thought of bettering ones self and advancing.

Two world class boxers fighting or one world class boxer dummed down so that a toddler can wreck him.

Perfect analogy!

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How can u guys even say the pitsol is fun..its way to overpowering and easy for anyone to use.its way to easy to get killed before u have any idea where ur getting shot from. pistol=garbage

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Nothing personal...

Posted by: Lamp_post
everyone is pissed because they can't use an overpowered weapon to dominate everyone from newcomers to players below their skill. I do not want halo 3's combat to revolve around a ridiculously overpowered firearm. I am Glad that Bungie will not listen to these kinds of people

Techincally, if it was overpowered, an inexperienced player would be able to pick it up and use it with ease. If anything, it's a "skill-divider".

  • 05.10.2006 5:40 PM PDT

Who ever doesn't want it back your crazy it freakin rules!!!!!!

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Posted by: Gnrl Gzo
How can u guys even say the pitsol is fun..its way to overpowering and easy for anyone to use.its way to easy to get killed before u have any idea where ur getting shot from. pistol=garbage


I dont think you gave it a fair chance/under stand the mechanics. People on this site think it is as easy to three shot as it is to four shot on the BR. I can 4 shot easily but i get destroyed when using the pistol on XBC.

  • 05.10.2006 5:42 PM PDT

[22:08] [JohnHoward:] The Halo 1 pistol wasn't a mistake...
[22:08] [JohnHoward:] It was also intended to be the ultimate hold out weapon...
[22:09] [JohnHoward:] I always believe that balance is about giving each weapon / ability / whatever it's own perfect situation.


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Posted by: Nedus
When on a LAN, the BR is like the pistol, in that three shots will pierce the shields, but is still weaker in terms of bodily damage. On XBL, this holds true, but is a bit harder at medium to long range. You have to lead your shots so they walk into the bullets.

Please, consider all of those points, Now do you still think the pistol "takes more skill"?


The BR takes 4 bursts to peirce armor and get a headshot kill, not 3. I just tested it out on Split Screen. It takes 4 bursts.

As for leading your shots, you can do that offhost if you want, but that's because you're offhost, not because the BR shots are meant to be leaded shots. Autoaim > leading BR shots, anyway.

And yes, I think the pistol takes more skill. See my last post. I don't mean to pick on you, but you just have alot of faulty points in your posts.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

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the pistol was way too unrealistice, and did everyone froget about the BR which is basically the same thing and much less cheap in live. everyone wants it now, but on live when people are getting owned by 3 shots from a pistol, everyone will hate it

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Posted by: HaloKing7
the pistol was way too unrealistice, and did everyone froget about the BR which is basically the same thing and much less cheap in live. everyone wants it now, but on live when people are getting owned by 3 shots from a pistol, everyone will hate it


At least read the previous posts. What you just posted has been addressed like 10 times already. But I'll do it again...

Halo is not a realistic game, get over it. People will only get owned by 3 shots if they are worse, which is how it should be. People who are worse should lose.

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Posted by: HaloKing7
the pistol was way too unrealistice, and did everyone froget about the BR which is basically the same thing and much less cheap in live. everyone wants it now, but on live when people are getting owned by 3 shots from a pistol, everyone will hate it


I dont think the argument about realistism should even be considered, because of the nature of the game itself. Honestly it is just a prediction that everyone will hate it. On the positive side it is one of hte most fondly rembered weapons from halo 1, which could lead me to predict that everyone will love it.

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Posted by: mulfinator
the pistle was point blank way too powerful it is perfectly balanced in halo 2 dont change it other than the looks and please dont bring the old pistle back its teriblely good too good


Wait, you did not just say that the pistol is perfectly balanced in Halo 2 did you? It takes over a full clip to kill a person. You MUST reload to get a kill, how is that balanced?

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I just did a test of the pistol vs the Battle Rifle, here are the standings.
Pistol
1.Headshots-3
2.Bodyshots or anywhere else shots-5
3.Below the knee-6
Battle Rifle
1.Headshots-4
2.Bodyshots-7
3.Anywhere Else-7
Now before the Halo 2 people jump on these results to prove their point, consider that the battle rifle is more accurate and has a higher level of auto-aim than the pistol.

  • 05.10.2006 6:06 PM PDT

[22:08] [JohnHoward:] The Halo 1 pistol wasn't a mistake...
[22:08] [JohnHoward:] It was also intended to be the ultimate hold out weapon...
[22:09] [JohnHoward:] I always believe that balance is about giving each weapon / ability / whatever it's own perfect situation.


GT: Hitzel

The realism of the Pistol shouldn't be considered. Halo is NOT a realistic game. GRAW and BF2:MC are out and current right now for Xbox. Buy them, play them, than tell me if you think Halo's gameplay is realistic.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 6:08 PM PDT