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Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
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I think its EXTREMELY cheap. it is not even realstic for a game. last time i checked a rifle does more damge than a pistol so why so pistols zoom and kill people in 3 shots, maybe because its white. ya thats it. it is white so it is superior. i think it is horrible.

  • 05.10.2006 6:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: weeazel
thats why its a video game you moron. have you noticed you can kill people with 2 melee attacks?

is THAT unrealistic????


your new, go play Halo 2


Umm... no it's not unrealistic. If you read the book, Fall of Reach, you'd remember that the MC totally owned a group of helljumpers and even killed one of them soley by punchin him so hard.

your new, go read the books.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 6:11 PM PDT
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you make a good point because this game is extremely unrealistic in more ways than you can even imagine, that's why it's a video game!

Good point weeazel!

  • 05.10.2006 6:14 PM PDT
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God damnit, read some of the posts before you jump in, like the post right above you maybe.

  • 05.10.2006 6:14 PM PDT
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i totally agree, a pistol is meant for short range backup weapon. a pistol has never been meant to snipe people with and be more powerful than a rifle. mabey a powerful 4 or 5 shot death close range pistol is fine but not the halo ce one. and btw halo is all about making the human guns realistic in power and balnce, why do you think they tested real weapons to find how powerful they really were and how far they could shoot.

  • 05.10.2006 6:15 PM PDT
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the reason why so many want it back, is because there are so many noobs who love to zoom with hem. I for one would like to have a newer pistol and that can't zoom.

  • 05.10.2006 6:15 PM PDT
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Ok, so if they made the battle rifle like the pistol and the SMG like the AR you would be fine with it...even though it would be the EXACT same game?

  • 05.10.2006 6:17 PM PDT

This will ensure your bungie.net posts are formatted properly.

The old pistol was overpowered, overused, and abused. Humankind’s last hope, a super soldier being killed by a secondary weapon with three bullets to the head is ludicrous. The old pistol watered down the game to basically one weapon, the pistol. The pistol had a range that could match a sniper, the pistol could defeat any weapon or vehicle, and there was no need to pick up any other weapon since one would spawn with a secondary hand held cannon, really the old pistol is almost like the golden gun from James Bond: Golden Eye on the Nintendo 64. The new “pistol” is the battle rifle. The battle rifle is more balanced since it takes 4 headshots to kill someone or 7 body shots to kill someone and it has a slower firing rate. Additionally there is a covenant version which is the carbine.

  • 05.10.2006 6:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Scyolinx
The old pistol was overpowered, overused, and abused. Humankind’s last hope, a super soldier being killed by a secondary weapon with three bullets to the head is ludicrous. The old pistol watered down the game to basically one weapon, the pistol. The pistol had a range that could match a sniper, the pistol could defeat any weapon or vehicle, and there was no need to pick up any other weapon since one would spawn with a secondary hand held cannon, really the old pistol is almost like the golden gun from James Bond: Golden Eye on the Nintendo 64. The new “pistol” is the battle rifle. The battle rifle is more balanced since it takes 4 headshots to kill someone or 7 body shots to kill someone and it has a slower firing rate. Additionally there is a covenant version which is the carbine.


Watch any mlg Halo 1 game and people will pick up other weapons.

  • 05.10.2006 6:19 PM PDT
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Since when has the pistol been all that accuate a little past mid range. Is it a challange in a mid level like battle creek to the sniper? Yes. Is it in a level in as big as blood gulch? NO. The high spread degrees of the pistol makes up for it's high level of power and range. If you have ever seen the pistol bullets hit a wall past mid range, you would see how far apart the bullets hit the wall from where you aimed them. Get your Halo facts straight.

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  • 05.10.2006 6:23 PM PDT
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the BR is the replacemnt why cant anyone get that, it actually adds skill to the game b/c no noob can go and 3 shot someone from accross the map w/ a pistol

  • 05.10.2006 6:23 PM PDT
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Read what I just posted HaloKing. The battle rifle adds no skill because it is more accurate than the pistol.
The high spread degrees of the M6D pistol makes up for it's high level of power and range.

I should just make this my quote.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 6:29 PM PDT
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You people who whine about the pistol's ability are amazing. You complain about how unrealistic it is. Sorry to break it to ya noobs, but this is HALO. MC runs around slaughtering grunts who have plasma weapons. Oh yes, this is -blam!- real. And he can take hundreds of SMG bullets but not two punches? Please realism is irrelevent in the Halo games.

  • 05.10.2006 6:33 PM PDT
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I just did a little research in Halo 1. The pistol can only hit a target if it is closer than 123 meters. For reference, from red teleporter entrance to red teleporter exit is about 130 meters.

  • 05.10.2006 6:34 PM PDT
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The game is set way in the future. they could concivibly create a pistol with high enough velocity ammunition with significant armor piercing and explosive properties. The only problem is that this isn't implemented into other weapons in the game.

In Halo2, they replace the pistol with the br, we all know that. But human technology in halo2 gets worse and more realistic (to our time) than halo CE. THAT is unrealistic. I think that we should stop arguing about the fact that the pistol owned. A shot from a Desert eagle (.50 cal) to the chest, versus an m16 shot (5.56 mm) to the chest, the deagle would cause a bit more hurt.

Anyways, since it looks like they r bringing back the AR (as seen in the trailer) they will probably be replacing the smg, and keeping the br for the reason that the pistol can outrange the br due to the unrealistic technology difference to other weapons.

  • 05.10.2006 6:41 PM PDT

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Well one you got to remember its way in the future so it could be possible. Two yes pretty much even a noob could pwn with a pistol lol.

  • 05.10.2006 6:46 PM PDT
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I just did a little research in Halo 1. The pistol can only hit a target if it is closer than 123 meters. For reference, from red teleporter entrance to red teleporter exit is about 130 meters.And how many shots did the pistol hit dead on from that range? I bet it wasn't many, also how did you figure out the meters? Did you play odd ball?

Also, ThreeShot, I re-read you post again and saw my error, I stand corrected, I apologize.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 6:48 PM PDT
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Plain and simple, the BR is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the pistol. YOU HAVE NO ACCURACY AND IT TAKES WAY TOO LONG TO KILL.

Its pointless arguing with kids that are just plain wrong anyway.

  • 05.10.2006 6:48 PM PDT
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I dunno, I did that quite a few times and got away unscathed....

  • 05.10.2006 6:58 PM PDT

[22:08] [JohnHoward:] The Halo 1 pistol wasn't a mistake...
[22:08] [JohnHoward:] It was also intended to be the ultimate hold out weapon...
[22:09] [JohnHoward:] I always believe that balance is about giving each weapon / ability / whatever it's own perfect situation.


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Posted by: ThreeShot
LMAO!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!! Wow I've never seen such stupidity in my life!!!

An actual .50 caliber Barret M82 sniper can accurately hit targets from just a little over a mile away. That's 5280 feet if I'm not mistaken.

An M-16 Carbine only has a maximum range of 460 meters. Which comes out to be around 1500 feet.


Titanium's specific heat is 520 Joules per Kg by Degree Kelvin. Do you know what that means? One kg of Titanium needs 520 Joules of energy to rise a degree Celcius/Kelvin. Millions of degrees could vaporize Titanuim easily, so what's stopping Plasma in it's gaseous form? How the heck can MC fire a plasma rifle without vaporizing himself? He can't. Halo isn't realistic, thus it does not need realism.

Don't try to feed me useless information.


Posted by: ThreeShot
If you think the BR/Magnum would even be able to come close to battling a sniper than you are delusional. I'd hope the sniper could slaughter someone from a distance. There should be no equal to it in range! There doesn't need to be balance for every gun in the game, especially the power weapons. They're there for that one reason...to be powerful! If you have one no one should be able to kill you as easily as if you don't. Just like if you have the sword there should be no close quarters match, other than the rocket or shotgun.

If the BR had the consistent range of a sniper would you even pick one up? I doubt it. Especially when it can be used more diversly in conjuction with another weapon. Why use a BR and sniper when you can have a BR and Shotty/Sword? With either of those you could be perfectly effective at long, medium, and close range. How it is now is fine. You have to choose which two of those three ranges you want to work with. You can't have all of them.


Listen, You haven't mentioned teamwork at all in your post. Power weapons should be useful when teamwork is applied to them, not just by having them. You make it seem like power weapons are meant to dominate the game. That's a load of bullspit. My team should win because we have a strategy that involves using the resources that we can gather and using them to our best efforts to win.

Saying that a team game would be better off without teamwork is that very stupidity you were just laughing at, my friend. Don't call me stupid.

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  • 05.10.2006 6:58 PM PDT
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Are the only arguments left "its unrealistic", seriously its been posted to many times to count.

If that is the only objection I dont see anyproblems at all with implementing the pistol.

If it is reintroduced as a rifle would that satisfy the realism factor?

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 7:04 PM PDT