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I hate the old pistol. It COMPLETELY destroyed weapon balance. NO NO OLD PISTOL

  • 05.11.2006 8:36 AM PDT
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The old pistol? Why does everyone want it? Well for one it rocked! You could also rename it "Old Reliable"! No mater what other weapon you had, if you ran out of ammo you could switch to the pistol and still be able to gun your way to a refill of ammo for youe other gun of choice. Also you said the following:

The thing that sticks out to me about the pistol is that it was so "good" that it was the only weapon that you could use. I mean I know about the "skill" that it takes to get the headshots, but everyone had that "skill", and so everyone used the pistol. It just throws balance out the window.

OK so if everybody has the skill then how does the balance get thrown out of the window? Are you worried that it only took three head shots to kill with the pistol? Well what about the on hit kills, such as a melee in the back, a sniper headshot, a rocket in the face, getting run over, and let's not forget the weapon from H2 that I liked in the begining but HATE now is the Covenant sword. I am glad Bungie put it in there, makes the game better I guess but I did not have the skill to use it properly!

Anyway I would love for Bungie to Bing back the pistol, and let us double weild them. Long live the pistol!

  • 05.11.2006 8:42 AM PDT
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i dont get u guys why would u want it back the updated br is the same thing just with 3 bursts if u cant land the 3 shots stop -blam!-n panzys
argument over

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Here's why it can't exist.

It's killing multiplayer. Re-instating it would cause a de-evolution of multiplayer FPSs.

Here's why. Sure, it makes things balanced, but how does it do that?
It gives everyone the best weapon in the game initially. Think about it, at any one time in a Halo game, 90% of players are using pistols.
It's only balanced because EVERYONE is using the same go-to weapon. If bungie re-instated the pistol, any need for weapon diversity for Halo 3 would be gone. Every one would jsut use the pistol.
Halo 2 tried to rectify this by ading balance in the form of *gasp* balanced weapons!
This trend would die if the pistol came back.
But how would it hurt multiplayer FPS?
In the early days of multiplayer, there was only a few weapons (one clearly the best), this was an easy way of ensuring balance.
If halo re-pioneres this idea, others will follow...not good.

  • 05.11.2006 8:53 AM PDT
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In my opinion, the pistol is what made HaloCE so fun (think 'bout it, playing H1 without the pistol, it wouldn't be the same game anymore...), the power, the accuracy, the coolnes. It was cool how you had to shoot your opponent a bit in advance to get a TsK. Actually, I liked it how you had to shoot in advance with the sniper too, it gave you a really neat feeling when you shot a headshot.

Infact, it would be awesome if Bungie brought all HaloCE weapon to Halo3, every weapon in H1 had its own purpose, but in Halo2 some weapons were a bit useless, or straight copies of other wapons. Only the needler served no use, 'cause of its lack of power and homing, in HaloPC its fixed and that's the way it should be in H3.

The generic starting weapon setting was awesome; you had everything you needed to start fragging, but not too much. The pistol gave balance to the game, if you saw a guy coming with a rocketlauncher it didn't always mean your death.

Please Bungie, I beg you, plz bring the pistol back. I just want to feel again the feeling that you got when you shot someone with a TsK and watched your enemy spin a 360 and then falling down to the ground. And if there is a possibility that the pistol is indeed coming back, plz make it un-dual wieldible. Two pistols at the same time would ruin the show.

The pistol doesn't even have to be any kind of a main weapon, it doesn't need to be in any map. But instead it could be so that you could select it as the starting weapon. In the starting weapon list it could be referred as "Classic pistol", also there could be a "Classic Plasma rifle" option.

Also, atleast BRING back the HaloCE 115 degrees field of view. I'm not sure if its right to talk about this over here, but my friend has a "special" xbox, which has the ability to run Halo2 in 115 degrees fov, and it really is awesome, makes H2 almost feel like HaloCE.

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I agree the pistol was a good weapon...and it took skill to use it..but then everyone starts to get that skill and we have pistol wars where its the weapon of focus. we still have snipers and such...but the pistol becomes the dominant close to medium range weapon.

and im sure most of you have gotten killed(at least once in the 6 or so years its been out) by a guy with a h1 pistol when you had something like a ar or rkt launcher and got pissed as a guy with a pistol killed you in 3 shots when you had a rocket or "assualt" rifle.

its balaced at first when everyone is new and the pistol is hard to get shots with..but then in h3 after 6months or so everyone would be good with it and halo3 could get boring<<---as much blasphemy is that is:)

but how bout this...we know the halo2 pistol can kill with duals and sometimes with one....but a pistol should not kill a guy in 1/2 ton armor with shields that fast.....




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  • 05.11.2006 8:56 AM PDT

[22:08] [JohnHoward:] The Halo 1 pistol wasn't a mistake...
[22:08] [JohnHoward:] It was also intended to be the ultimate hold out weapon...
[22:09] [JohnHoward:] I always believe that balance is about giving each weapon / ability / whatever it's own perfect situation.


GT: Hitzel

Posted by: ThreeShot
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You make it seem like power weapons are meant to dominate the game. That's a load of bullspit.


^Spoken like a true moron.


First off, you either completely misunderstood my post, or shrugged off everything else I said just to be a jerk.

I've pointed this out quite a few more times alread, but I guess I'll have to do it again. Have you played BF2: MC? You can spawn with a rocket launcher every time you spawn, if you see fit. You can also spawn with a sniper, a large machine gun, C4 detonators, etc. But the way the game is made designs those weapons to be situational.

The rockets dont have a huge splash damage radius, therefore are better suited for taking out vehicles. The C4 detonators make loud beeps, so people know to stay away. The large machine gun is so inaccurate that it's useless at anything but long range, unless you're justlaying down cover fire.

The list goes on and on, but the fact remains that the weapons that are very powerful, and therefore dubbed "Power Weapons" are only useful when used situationally. A normal Assault Rifle can take ou a weilder of any of those guns easily, if they're good or their team has good strategy. This all boils down to the power weapons only being useful when used intelligently, situationally, and together as a team effort. That doesn't show the game bing dominated by power weapons, it shows the game being dominated by teammates using their resources together as a working team, which is what I've said earlier. Power weapons alone should not be he reason a team dominates a game. You just ignored that, and quoted something else.

I think it's funny how you like to turn my words around, and ignore the rest of my posts. You "arguments" (which borderline flames, BTW) are answered in the very posts that you are quoting from. I would say somehting about immaturity and posting ignorant critism in your sig, but I don't post here often. So leave it up, I don't care. This topic is shot to hell on account of ignorance anyway.

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Posted by: Hobbes0240
Here's why it can't exist.

It's killing multiplayer. Re-instating it would cause a de-evolution of multiplayer FPSs.

Here's why. Sure, it makes things balanced, but how does it do that?
It gives everyone the best weapon in the game initially. Think about it, at any one time in a Halo game, 90% of players are using pistols.
It's only balanced because EVERYONE is using the same go-to weapon. If bungie re-instated the pistol, any need for weapon diversity for Halo 3 would be gone. Every one would jsut use the pistol.
Halo 2 tried to rectify this by ading balance in the form of *gasp* balanced weapons!
This trend would die if the pistol came back.
But how would it hurt multiplayer FPS?
In the early days of multiplayer, there was only a few weapons (one clearly the best), this was an easy way of ensuring balance.
If halo re-pioneres this idea, others will follow...not good.


The BR in Halo 2 is just like the Pistol in the fact that everyone uses it, the only difference is the pistol actually balanced out the game while the BR doesn't.

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Posted by: Hobbes0240
Here's why it can't exist.

It's killing multiplayer. Re-instating it would cause a de-evolution of multiplayer FPSs.

Here's why. Sure, it makes things balanced, but how does it do that?
It gives everyone the best weapon in the game initially. Think about it, at any one time in a Halo game, 90% of players are using pistols.
It's only balanced because EVERYONE is using the same go-to weapon. If bungie re-instated the pistol, any need for weapon diversity for Halo 3 would be gone. Every one would jsut use the pistol.
Halo 2 tried to rectify this by ading balance in the form of *gasp* balanced weapons!
This trend would die if the pistol came back.
But how would it hurt multiplayer FPS?
In the early days of multiplayer, there was only a few weapons (one clearly the best), this was an easy way of ensuring balance.
If halo re-pioneres this idea, others will follow...not good.


How can reviving the break through multiplayer system of that generation be bad. Why do you think halo 2's weapons are balanced when compared to halo 1?

You think at this moment all weapons in halo 2 are balanced?

Halo 1 weapons were balanced, the only way you can claim they were not balanced is in the useage. All the weapons served their intended purposes but you could not win games by just domminating one area, you couldent dominate with the sniper ( because of the pistol). Or you couldent domminate with the rockets (because of the pistol).

It is not that these weapons were not neccisary ( all games still revolved around control of the power weapons, just think about the time tables made up to memorize each weapons spawn) It is that power weapons alone did not make you untouchable.

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I personaly never had a problem with the pistol I got just as much kills with and without it but it is unrealistic that you can shoot a armor peircing pistol across the whole level and still have full accuracey.

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Posted by: Commodore88
I agree the pistol was a good weapon...and it took skill to use it..but then everyone starts to get that skill and we have pistol wars where its the weapon of focus. we still have snipers and such...but the pistol becomes the dominant close to medium range weapon.

and im sure most of you have gotten killed(at least once in the 6 or so years its been out) by a guy with a h1 pistol when you had something like a ar or rkt launcher and got pissed as a guy with a pistol killed you in 3 shots when you had a rocket or "assualt" rifle.

its balaced at first when everyone is new and the pistol is hard to get shots with..but then in h3 after 6months or so everyone would be good with it and halo3 could get boring<<---as much blasphemy is that is:)







You do realize that Halo 1 was really popular on the Xbox before the release of H2, right?


How can the game be popular if it's boring due to the fact that everyone started out with the same weapon?


Remember that very few people complained about BR starts being boring.

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There are two different kinds of variety.

There is the kind with ton of weapons who lack substance

and the the kind that has a decent number of weapons that were provided entertaining experiences.

Used weapons in halo

the pistol:

plasma rifle

AR

shotgun

rocket launcher

[b]Neglected weapons[/b[

PP

needler

Two out of seven weapons were neglected with the pistol. I do not call this a lack of variety.

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I garuntee I could 4 shot you with a BR so much faster. Who even dual wields? Its stupid and it requires no skill.

If a both people have a weapon. And you are say, defending a base, say Blood Gulch, and you are on top. Wouldn't it be FAIR if the person attacking could kill you? Talk about fair, the person thats attacking should have enough time time to kill the person once they pop their head out, after one, maybe two times. When you have a BR, you can't do that. You don't have nearly enough time to kill the person with a BR from ANY sort of range.

I think the reason you hate the pistol is because you like to spray and pray.

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Posted by: Commodore88
I agree the pistol was a good weapon...and it took skill to use it..but then everyone starts to get that skill and we have pistol wars where its the weapon of focus. we still have snipers and such...but the pistol becomes the dominant close to medium range weapon.

and im sure most of you have gotten killed(at least once in the 6 or so years its been out) by a guy with a h1 pistol when you had something like a ar or rkt launcher and got pissed as a guy with a pistol killed you in 3 shots when you had a rocket or "assualt" rifle.

its balaced at first when everyone is new and the pistol is hard to get shots with..but then in h3 after 6months or so everyone would be good with it and halo3 could get boring<<---as much blasphemy is that is:)

but how bout this...we know the halo2 pistol can kill with duals and sometimes with one....but a pistol should not kill a guy in 1/2 ton armor with shields that fast.....




So you are saying Sniper worked long range. Pistol worked medium short, and long. Shotty, AR both short range, Rocket, short to medium.

I like that a lot better than Sniper= Every range. BR/Shotty/sword=medium.

Whatever you think "should" happen. Thats what you've said it boils down to.

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Posted by: SavouryNothadoth
The old pistol was terrible. I mean, it was brilliant.. But it was terribly unrealistic.

Seriously. What guy, even a Spartan, could weild a handgun and shoot at 100% accuracy for miles... It's just not meant to be,

Who cares about realism? This is halo, and action fps, not a tactical fps. I've said it before, I'll say it again, ANYTHING GOES IN A VIDEO GAME.

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Posted by: doctor woot
I hate the old pistol. It COMPLETELY destroyed weapon balance. NO NO OLD PISTOL

Who cares about weapons balance? I mean, YOU START WITH IT!!! That means its balanced. If everyone starts with rocket launcher you wouldn't call it imbalanced!

  • 05.11.2006 3:33 PM PDT

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Stop noobing up our beloved game.

I don't like it... the H1 vets want it back because they say it 'takes skill' and it's way better than the BR. That's just total bs. Serious now. Isn't it harder to land 4 consecutive headshots, every 3 burst hitting the head than shooting 3 rounds to the head to get a kill? Honestly. It takes more skill to keep aim longer, not shorter, dambasses.

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Posted by: Hobbes0240
Here's why it can't exist.

It's killing multiplayer. Re-instating it would cause a de-evolution of multiplayer FPSs.

Here's why. Sure, it makes things balanced, but how does it do that?
It gives everyone the best weapon in the game initially. Think about it, at any one time in a Halo game, 90% of players are using pistols.
It's only balanced because EVERYONE is using the same go-to weapon. If bungie re-instated the pistol, any need for weapon diversity for Halo 3 would be gone. Every one would jsut use the pistol.
Halo 2 tried to rectify this by ading balance in the form of *gasp* balanced weapons!
This trend would die if the pistol came back.
But how would it hurt multiplayer FPS?
In the early days of multiplayer, there was only a few weapons (one clearly the best), this was an easy way of ensuring balance.
If halo re-pioneres this idea, others will follow...not good.


I'll show you diversity. If you had a sniper in Halo 1, you would kill more people, even though everyone had the pistol. Who didn't want the sniper? THats true for all skill levels. But, it had less ammo in the clip, and it didn't come back as fast and was hard to use short range. So, long range sniper, better than pistol. Therefor, how was the pistol the best gun in the game? People wanted the sniper more. One base to the other, you could kill people. It was hard, but it was possible, could you do that with a pistol? I mean a competent sniper both teams warped on BG, the better sniper gave you the edge.

Short range, you are defending a base(as if this EVER happens in Halo 2), what weapon was the go to? DUR the shotgun, not the pistol. One Shot with the shotgun, TWO tops. Therefore, not the best weapon. This is not to say that a pistol could not kill the shotgun, much like a pistol could kill the sniper, but it was less common for such a thing to happen.

Medium range, popping on top of the base, defending people coming in a warthog, out in the field, hiding behind a rock far away. Lets think, ILL USE A ROCKET.

But whats the common thread in thses events. If you have a pistol you still have a chance. If someone has a rocket, and you have a BR, you're -blam!-. If someone far away has a sniper, you have a BR, you're -blam!-. If someone is inside the base, has the "sword"(Halo 2 shotty is horrible), you have a BR, you're -blam!-.

The same people that complain about the Pistol, complain about power weapons. Even though NO ONE correlates that, OMG IF YOU HAVE A PISTOL, OTHER WEAPONS STILL WIN. Where as, OMG HE HAS THE SWORD I LOSE. HE HAS THE ROCKET I LOSE. HE HAS THE SNIPER I LOSE. HE HAS THE COMBO AND I SPAWN WITH SMG I LOSE.

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Posted by: weeazel
thats why its a video game you moron. have you noticed you can kill people with 2 melee attacks?

is THAT unrealistic????


your new, go play Halo 2


actually, no its not.

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lets not get on the "real" topic. In real life do you respawn for ANY reason? no

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Posted by: Elite _Sniper44
I don't like it... the H1 vets want it back because they say it 'takes skill' and it's way better than the BR. That's just total bs. Serious now. Isn't it harder to land 4 consecutive headshots, every 3 burst hitting the head than shooting 3 rounds to the head to get a kill? Honestly. It takes more skill to keep aim longer, not shorter, dambasses.


That would be true if it weren't for the massive autoaim in Halo 2 and huge hit boxes.

  • 05.11.2006 4:20 PM PDT