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Subject: The old pistol? Why does everyone want it?
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Posted by: noobnoobnoob
It's not the skin that matters it's the weapon.

I think it's a good weapon that takes skill so BRING IT BACK BUNGIE NOW *mumbles to self about the good old days despite being 15*



I agree its a good weapon. So why not bring it back as a bolt action rifle. that would be sweet and not unrealistic. And its more realistic to have a scope on a rifle than on a pistol.
it might even become some sort of semi-sniper or anti-sniper with a 3 shot kill,

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 10:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Omega Impala
Listen, I was one of the best people with the pistol amongst my friends in Halo CE...and I was all for mostly scrapping it for Halo 2 for balance purposes. Then I realized the ugly truth...without the pistol, the sniper and rocket absolutely DOMINATED. I mean, they were the power weapons in Halo CE, but you had to know how to use them to be REALLY good at them. Headshots were significantly harder and there was no vehicle tracking for rockets.

The pistol was somehow able to help balance out those weapons far more effectively than the current weapon setup Halo 2 uses. It is for that reason alone that I think a "old pistol-like" weapon couldn't hurt Halo 3, and certainly could really help Bungie's apparent baby, balance.


very true (and i agree), but the team factor is kinda taken away when you throw in a 3 shot pistol, i mean i loved halo 1 alot (aww the good ol days of h1 lanning), but it is a little hard to come up with a strat for a 4 man team win it takes 3 shots to kill someone.

  • 05.10.2006 10:21 AM PDT
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Nothing personal...

Posted by: Doooskey9
The thing that sticks out to me about the pistol is that it was so "good" that it was the only weapon that you could use. I mean I know about the "skill" that it takes to get the headshots, but everyone had that "skill", and so everyone used the pistol. It just throws balance out the window... I mean if any of the pistol fans ever tried to take out a guy who had a pistol, and you had an assault rifle, you would realize that you got no chance and that is unbalanced.

Uhhhh, this sounds like the BR/SMG thing. Yet the BR is far easier to use.

  • 05.10.2006 10:23 AM PDT
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I think a cross between the two would be a good idea. The skin from halo 1, with an average power of the two. A scope would be nice, but not totally necessary.

  • 05.10.2006 10:29 AM PDT

Reach is hot garbage.

Posted by: Doooskey9
The thing that sticks out to me about the pistol is that it was so "good" that it was the only weapon that you could use. I mean I know about the "skill" that it takes to get the headshots, but everyone had that "skill", and so everyone used the pistol. It just throws balance out the window... I mean if any of the pistol fans ever tried to take out a guy who had a pistol, and you had an assault rifle, you would realize that you got no chance and that is unbalanced.


I'm sorry, but you're wrong man. Since movement was faster in Halo 1, strafing in duels (often referred as "dancing") helped ensure your survival. So what if a guy with the Pistol comes at you and you have an AR? Well, strafe to make your opponent miss (crouching helps too, but not as much), bounce a grenade near the opposing player, and finish him off with some AR rounds and/or a melee. On a side note, why wouldn't you have a Pistol to fight back? Halo 1's Generic setting starts you with both the AR and the Pistol.

And if you have any other weapon well... With a Shotgun makes sure you're in medium range and in two shots you're likely to kill the Pistol wielder. WIth a Plasma Rifle, begin firing at your opponent and circle around him till you kill him with plasma bolts or with a melee (the PR in H1 freezes your opponent's movement, so he can't fight back). Every weapon had a purpose in Halo 1 and I'd like that kind of balance to return in H3.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 10:31 AM PDT
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ok, i love the pistol but it was a bit unreal shooting someone a mile away, but hey, hunters were no match for a well placed pistol shot!!

  • 05.10.2006 10:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan in Oslo
I agree. The old pistol on halo CE was retarded. Totally messed up the multiplayer! Nobody wants it back.


Did you even play Halo CE multiplayer? And who is this nobody, oh wait, it's you!

I remember some guy about a year ago making a whole thread why the old pistol sucked. I then got him to admit he had spent a total of 45 minutes playing Halo CE at a LAN party once. That's all he'd ever played the game, 45 minutes!!! And yet here he was making this thread about why the pistol isn't any good. It's people like this, that don't even know the first game that are trying to make decisions for the rest of us. They just repeat what they hear others say on the forums without really knowing what they are talking about.

  • 05.10.2006 10:35 AM PDT
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The old Pistol was the best! Soo accurate and powerful.

  • 05.10.2006 10:36 AM PDT
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The Battle Rifle is the replacment for the pistol, the battle rifel is decent in all situations just like the pistol,

the battle rifle is great

YOU WOULD LOOK STUPID IF YOU WERE LOOKING DOWN A SCOPE ON A PISTOL

  • 05.10.2006 10:38 AM PDT
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You started with the pistol. So why would you try to take him out with a AR? And I hope you would "REALIZE" that you had a chance unless his teammate either sniped you from afar or sent a ROCKET up your you know what. Balance is uncontrollable. Escpecially in a FPS. Unless you play a game where a everyone has the same weapon.

  • 05.10.2006 10:38 AM PDT

" A leader must be ready to send soldiers under his command to their deaths... you do this because your duty to the UNSC supersedes your duty to yourself or even your crew, so grab your BR55 and lets go kick ASS!"

Good Point... but who has noticed the Gun MC is carrying in the video... MA5B is BACK!... no weak ass SMGs...

Posted by: SavouryNothadoth
The old pistol was terrible. I mean, it was brilliant.. But it was terribly unrealistic.

Seriously. What guy, even a Spartan, could weild a handgun and shoot at 100% accuracy for miles... It's just not meant to be,

  • 05.10.2006 10:39 AM PDT
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YOU WOULD LOOK STUPID IF YOU WERE LOOKING DOWN A SCOPE ON A PISTOL

  • 05.10.2006 10:40 AM PDT

Reach is hot garbage.

Posted by: HM Slayer
I remember some guy about a year ago making a whole thread why the old pistol sucked. I then got him to admit he had spent a total of 45 minutes playing Halo CE at a LAN party once. That's all he'd ever played the game, 45 minutes!!! And yet here he was making this thread about why the pistol isn't any good. It's people like this, that don't even know the first game that are trying to make decisions for the rest of us. They just repeat what they hear others say on the forums without really knowing what they are talking about.


Thank you. This is one of the most intelligent comments I've ever seen on the b.net forums.

  • 05.10.2006 10:43 AM PDT
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Someone want it back because it have higher damage and you can zoom.

  • 05.10.2006 10:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: inowereulive10
The Battle Rifle is the replacment for the pistol, the battle rifel is decent in all situations just like the pistol,

the battle rifle is great

YOU WOULD LOOK STUPID IF YOU WERE LOOKING DOWN A SCOPE ON A PISTOL


See, this is what I'm talking about. The pistol HAD NO SCOPE!!! When it zoomed in, it was the visor that zoomed in, not the pistol. I'm tired of people that barely knew the first game trying to make decisions for the rest of us.

  • 05.10.2006 10:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: PuzzelledplayeR
You started with the pistol. So why would you try to take him out with a AR? And I hope you would "REALIZE" that you had a chance unless his teammate either sniped you from afar or sent a ROCKET up your you know what. Balance is uncontrollable. Escpecially in a FPS. Unless you play a game where a everyone has the same weapon.


I kill people all the time with an assault rifle when they have the pistol. One short burst and a melee puts them down FAST. If you don't know what you're talking about, stay out of this thread.

  • 05.10.2006 10:54 AM PDT
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so then you would be able to zoom in with all the guns if it was the visor

like y wont my visor zoom in when im using a shotgun

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 11:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: weeazel
thats why its a video game you moron. have you noticed you can kill people with 2 melee attacks?

is THAT unrealistic????


your new, go play Halo 2


Call me new you prick! Ive been on Halo for 2 and a halve years now. Your the bloody n00b. Thinking you're all good and god's gift. Sort your life out. Don't get bringing your -blam!- around here

  • 05.10.2006 11:04 AM PDT
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Everyone wants the old pistol because it was the mainstay of the original Halo 1 XBOX campaign. Master Chief was relatively unassuming, whiped out his pistol, and shot the crap out of everyone. That and the original assault rifle. Sure, it sucked for most of the game not played on Easy mode, but it was iconic. Master chief, green armor, assault rifle in hand. That was the image of Halo. The pistol was the image of Halo gameplay - while it was ineffective against shielded opponents in singleplayer, the pistol was just a cool all purpose gun. How many times have you gone through flood levels with just a pistol and a shotgun? It was badass. Perhaps a bit overpowered in multiplayer, but it was cool beans in single player. It's good to know that they've at least somewhat gone back to their roots - the Halo 3 trailer has the chief wielding an assault rifle.

Halo PC/CE players need not apply for the Halo 3 360 discussion. Even in Halo XBOX multiplayer, it was a matter of skill in using the pistol. You could own anyone right off the bat. Compared to Halo 2's multiplayer which really favors weapons over skill, I'd take the three shot pistol over Halo 2 stuff anyday.

I swear, if it's not in Halo 3 that game will suck. I mean, it's THE PISTOL. C'mon. You could empty all your ammo into those Banshees at the beginning of "Halo" (level 2) and they would explode. That was hardcore. It helped give Halo a bit of that "over the top" feel - it wasn't quite a tactical shooter and it wasn't just a run and gun experience, but it was more tactical than arcade style FPS's and more run and gun than tactical FPS's. The pistol totally represents that balance, and that balance is why Halo was so successful. And Halo being so successful was why Halo 2 was so successful before all the millions that bought it had even played the game.

Therefore, bring back the pistol.

  • 05.10.2006 11:06 AM PDT

Don't you love campers? It takes a lot to be able to win the game with no skill and still enjoy some smores!

"Am I a pro? Do I look like I worship myself?"

Posted by: HM Slayer
Posted by: PuzzelledplayeR
You started with the pistol. So why would you try to take him out with a AR? And I hope you would "REALIZE" that you had a chance unless his teammate either sniped you from afar or sent a ROCKET up your you know what. Balance is uncontrollable. Escpecially in a FPS. Unless you play a game where a everyone has the same weapon.


I kill people all the time with an assault rifle when they have the pistol. One short burst and a melee puts them down FAST. If you don't know what you're talking about, stay out of this thread.


This is the most UNintelligent comment I have seen on the forums. No one should have to stay out of a thread, but if anyone did have to, you would be the first to have to step out.

Anywho, back on topic, an AR vs a Pistol at med range would be owned by a pistol. Infact, if any one of you EVER played on xbconnect or gamespy, you would know that if someone wasn't running with some power weapon, they had the pistol (and to a MUCH lesser degree, the shoty). It was rare to see anything else.

All of you that are saying the balance in Halo is off, I agree to a degree (mostly because of things like the PP and Sword), but the solution isn't to go back to another off balance (but still quite fun, mind you) system. In fact, if you notice, in levels that start with the BR, you will NEVER see anyone bust out the SMG. This is because the game shifts from a mix of Long, med, and short range combat, to mostly long and some med range (on some levels, however, this is necessary).

And for all those who say the SMG sucks, you simply don't know how to use this thing. In a one on one Med range SMG vs BR, I may prefer to have the BR, BUT it is certainly not a lost cause to fight. Learn to use the SMG. It's not our fault if u suck with it.

Bungie does have some more balancing to do, but taking the Pistol out as the default was a huge step forward.

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 11:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan in Oslo
I agree. The old pistol on halo CE was retarded. Totally messed up the multiplayer! Nobody wants it back.



I want it back, so why are you generalizing? But then again the BR is technically the "new pistol".


Bungie could just include the BR in H3 to go with the AR as a secondary weapon ( the skin for weapon should be changed though so that it doesn't match the AR ).

[Edited on 5/10/2006]

  • 05.10.2006 11:08 AM PDT
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Hahaha, you couldn't get that close. I'd love to see who you were playing with, probly your little brother! And please, keep your, "stay out of the thread" threats to yourself. Just sick of all the babies out there crying about a pistol in a game that they weren't any good at. H1=SKILL, H2=pleasing the masses.

  • 05.10.2006 11:09 AM PDT
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Not everyone like the old pistol. However, I do, so I'll speak for myself on why I want the "old pistol" back.

The pistol from H1 let you jump right into the action, no matter where your opponent was, no matter what weapon they had. This makes the pistol the dominant weapon, but it is not the end all, be all.

There were a lot of things you could do in H1 to counteract the power of the pistol, such as grab and time the Overshield and camo, get/time rockets, or grab a better position on the map (If you want to win against good players, you'll have to do all three). This is where the skill of the game was involved (not to mention shooting/grenade skill).

The mechanics of Halo 1 are why the pistol worked, and I hope that those mechanics return in Halo 3.

  • 05.10.2006 11:10 AM PDT
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That battle rifle completely fills the halo 1 pistol role. It's a 4 hit kill to the old 3 hit ... should be plenty enough.

  • 05.10.2006 11:10 AM PDT
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JUST GIVE MEE THE -blam!- 2 MAGNUMS IN THE HAND 4 GRANADES AND 1 SNIPER RIFL AND A LIL BIT REALISTIC THINGS IN HALO 3 AND I WILL BE THE BEST OF ALL BUT THE MAGNUMS ARE STIL THE BEST MUHAHAHHAHAHAH

  • 05.10.2006 11:10 AM PDT